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RE: Texas reassigns legendary baseball coach Augie Garrido after 20 seasons
(06-29-2016 09:52 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: (06-29-2016 09:21 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote: Sounds like Pierce is going to get the job...
Quote:Dustin McComas @DMcComasOB 5m5 minutes ago
#HookEm has its next baseball coach. Can confirm @kbohls report that Tulane's David Pierce is the guy. More: http://rvls.co/292voqq
We had a pretty good clue a couple days ago when Tulane's pitching coach left to join LaTech as Assistant Head Coach.
I had really hoped Pierce would come back here when the OG hung things up.
I find it interesting to read that UT isn't a Top 10 destination because of scholarship issues - what does that mean for Rice then?
UT in one respect is in a worse situation than us. They don't have as generous need-based financial aid.
Obviously, in-state tuition is cheaper at UT than tuition at Rice, so that's an advantage in their direction.
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RE: Texas reassigns legendary baseball coach Augie Garrido after 20 seasons
(06-29-2016 09:52 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: I had really hoped Pierce would come back here when the OG hung things up.
In addition, you would have to think that Matt Riser would be the obvious candidate at Tulane, which would likely remove him from our candidate pool.
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RE: Texas reassigns legendary baseball coach Augie Garrido after 20 seasons
Yep. Would almost certainly think that Tulane has Riser at the top of the list. Can't see why he wouldn't want it either (despite knowing him growing up, I have no insider knowledge) unless he feels like 3 years isn't long enough at SELa. One could hope that he takes the Tulane job, The OG coaches another 3ish years, and Riser is ready to move from a good job at Tulane to a destination job at Rice.
But hey, despite me being biased towars Matt, there will be plenty of opportunities to nab a good coach whenever the OG hangs it up.
(06-29-2016 10:11 AM)Orange County Owl Wrote: (06-29-2016 09:52 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: I had really hoped Pierce would come back here when the OG hung things up.
In addition, you would have to think that Matt Riser would be the obvious candidate at Tulane, which would likely remove him from our candidate pool.
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RE: Texas reassigns legendary baseball coach Augie Garrido after 20 seasons
Good candidates will materialize no matter when Graham leaves - as long as we're committed to paying near or at top dollar. Not 100% confident that will happen though.
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RE: Texas reassigns legendary baseball coach Augie Garrido after 20 seasons
(06-29-2016 10:16 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote: Good candidates will materialize no matter when Graham leaves - as long as we're committed to paying near or at top dollar. Not 100% confident that will happen though.
If UT has problems landing a top flight replacement for Augie what makes you think that it will be easy for Rice? I don't think salary money at UT was the issue.
(This post was last modified: 06-29-2016 10:29 AM by Tiki Owl.)
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RE: Texas reassigns legendary baseball coach Augie Garrido after 20 seasons
(06-29-2016 10:16 AM)picrig Wrote: Yep. Would almost certainly think that Tulane has Riser at the top of the list. Can't see why he wouldn't want it either (despite knowing him growing up, I have no insider knowledge) unless he feels like 3 years isn't long enough at SELa. One could hope that he takes the Tulane job, The OG coaches another 3ish years, and Riser is ready to move from a good job at Tulane to a destination job at Rice.
But hey, despite me being biased towars Matt, there will be plenty of opportunities to nab a good coach whenever the OG hangs it up.
(06-29-2016 10:11 AM)Orange County Owl Wrote: (06-29-2016 09:52 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: I had really hoped Pierce would come back here when the OG hung things up.
In addition, you would have to think that Matt Riser would be the obvious candidate at Tulane, which would likely remove him from our candidate pool.
Fitt thinks the LSU assistant head coach (Cannizaro?), who is also their primary recruiter and batting coach, is the lead candidate, with Riser as #2 or #3 on the list. Apparently, Cannizaro (?) is a Tulane alum.
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RE: Texas reassigns legendary baseball coach Augie Garrido after 20 seasons
(06-29-2016 10:22 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote: (06-29-2016 10:16 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote: Good candidates will materialize no matter when Graham leaves - as long as we're committed to paying near or at top dollar. Not 100% confident that will happen though.
If UT has problems landing a top flight replacement for Augie what makes you think that it will be easy for Rice? I don't think salary money at UT was the issue.
I mean, I think Dave Pierce was a good candidate - clearly not the first on their wish list, but he's clearly shown to be a very competent coach.
But, I see where you're coming from. UT definitely wouldn't have had this long of a coaching search / would have gotten their first, second or even third choice if they had been successful in the last few years; as with everything, it's all about what have you done for me lately. Which is exactly what scares me about the perception of Rice whenever we are going to be looking for a new coach. That said, offering a top-notch pay package would be a way to show we are committed to get back to being a top 10 team.
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RE: Texas reassigns legendary baseball coach Augie Garrido after 20 seasons
(06-29-2016 10:16 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote: Good candidates will materialize no matter when Graham leaves - as long as we're committed to paying near or at top dollar. Not 100% confident that will happen though.
Don't see why not since we've already got Wayne's salary (which I believe is pretty close to $1MM/yr) baked into our ongoing budget. I do know that one of Dr. K's priorities is to establish and fund a Wayne Graham Endowment, incremental to the existing Rice baseball scholarship, specifically aimed at funding the head coach salary going forward.
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RE: Texas reassigns legendary baseball coach Augie Garrido after 20 seasons
(06-29-2016 10:46 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote: (06-29-2016 10:16 AM)picrig Wrote: Yep. Would almost certainly think that Tulane has Riser at the top of the list. Can't see why he wouldn't want it either (despite knowing him growing up, I have no insider knowledge) unless he feels like 3 years isn't long enough at SELa. One could hope that he takes the Tulane job, The OG coaches another 3ish years, and Riser is ready to move from a good job at Tulane to a destination job at Rice.
But hey, despite me being biased towars Matt, there will be plenty of opportunities to nab a good coach whenever the OG hangs it up.
(06-29-2016 10:11 AM)Orange County Owl Wrote: (06-29-2016 09:52 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: I had really hoped Pierce would come back here when the OG hung things up.
In addition, you would have to think that Matt Riser would be the obvious candidate at Tulane, which would likely remove him from our candidate pool.
Fitt thinks the LSU assistant head coach (Cannizaro?), who is also their primary recruiter and batting coach, is the lead candidate, with Riser as #2 or #3 on the list. Apparently, Cannizaro (?) is a Tulane alum.
Yeah, the Tulane fans want Cannizaro. After seeing what Pierce did for Tulane hitting this year, I can only imagine what Cannizaro could do.
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RE: Texas reassigns legendary baseball coach Augie Garrido after 20 seasons
(06-29-2016 10:22 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote: (06-29-2016 10:16 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote: Good candidates will materialize no matter when Graham leaves - as long as we're committed to paying near or at top dollar. Not 100% confident that will happen though.
If UT has problems landing a top flight replacement for Augie what makes you think that it will be easy for Rice? I don't think salary money at UT was the issue.
Did UT really have problems finding a top flight replacement? It took longer than expected, but wasn't Pierce considered a top target for UT from day 1?
Meanwhile, a Tulane friend of mine just pointed out to me that in their new AD's first year, he is dealing with replacing the football, basketball, baseball, and volleyball coaches.
Are Hallmark or Van Hook in danger of being hired away at some point? Or are they more like some of our football assistants?
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RE: Texas reassigns legendary baseball coach Augie Garrido after 20 seasons
(06-29-2016 10:47 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote: (06-29-2016 10:22 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote: (06-29-2016 10:16 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote: Good candidates will materialize no matter when Graham leaves - as long as we're committed to paying near or at top dollar. Not 100% confident that will happen though.
If UT has problems landing a top flight replacement for Augie what makes you think that it will be easy for Rice? I don't think salary money at UT was the issue.
I mean, I think Dave Pierce was a good candidate - clearly not the first on their wish list, but he's clearly shown to be a very competent coach.
But, I see where you're coming from. UT definitely wouldn't have had this long of a coaching search / would have gotten their first, second or even third choice if they had been successful in the last few years; as with everything, it's all about what have you done for me lately. Which is exactly what scares me about the perception of Rice whenever we are going to be looking for a new coach. That said, offering a top-notch pay package would be a way to show we are committed to get back to being a top 10 team.
I disagree a bit with yours and Tiki's perspective here. The problem with UT's search was certainly not the $$$ and I very much doubt their on-field performance the past several years; rather it was because they limitted their initial search to the current pool of the elite amongst the elite head coaches at current national powers (LSU, Florida, Louisville, UVA, Vandy, UCLA, Oregon State, TCU)-- each of whom used the UT recruitment as a vehicle for getting a substantial salary bump and contract extension. Why would those coaches leave their existing very comfortable situations and relocate their families to effectively take a lateral job at a lateral salary?
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RE: Texas reassigns legendary baseball coach Augie Garrido after 20 seasons
(06-29-2016 10:54 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote: (06-29-2016 10:47 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote: (06-29-2016 10:22 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote: (06-29-2016 10:16 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote: Good candidates will materialize no matter when Graham leaves - as long as we're committed to paying near or at top dollar. Not 100% confident that will happen though.
If UT has problems landing a top flight replacement for Augie what makes you think that it will be easy for Rice? I don't think salary money at UT was the issue.
I mean, I think Dave Pierce was a good candidate - clearly not the first on their wish list, but he's clearly shown to be a very competent coach.
But, I see where you're coming from. UT definitely wouldn't have had this long of a coaching search / would have gotten their first, second or even third choice if they had been successful in the last few years; as with everything, it's all about what have you done for me lately. Which is exactly what scares me about the perception of Rice whenever we are going to be looking for a new coach. That said, offering a top-notch pay package would be a way to show we are committed to get back to being a top 10 team.
I disagree a bit with yours and Tiki's perspective here. The problem with UT's search was certainly not the $$$ and I very much doubt their on-field performance the past several years; rather it was because they limitted their initial search to the current pool of elite head coaches at current national powers (LSU, Florida, Louisville, UCLA, Oregon State, TCU)-- each of whom used the UT recruitment as a vehicle for getting a substantial salary bump and contract extension. Why would those coaches leave their existing very comfortable situations and relocate their families to effectively take a lateral job at a lateral salary?
In UT's psyche, the fact that any of the above jobs, save for LSU, is considered a lateral job to UT is a travesty. That means that those other programs (that don't have the historical success that UT does) have seized the momentum from historical power like UT.
Thanks for the info on the potential baseball coaching endowment - that would be great to contribute to.
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RE: Texas reassigns legendary baseball coach Augie Garrido after 20 seasons
(06-29-2016 10:51 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote: (06-29-2016 10:46 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote: (06-29-2016 10:16 AM)picrig Wrote: Yep. Would almost certainly think that Tulane has Riser at the top of the list. Can't see why he wouldn't want it either (despite knowing him growing up, I have no insider knowledge) unless he feels like 3 years isn't long enough at SELa. One could hope that he takes the Tulane job, The OG coaches another 3ish years, and Riser is ready to move from a good job at Tulane to a destination job at Rice.
But hey, despite me being biased towars Matt, there will be plenty of opportunities to nab a good coach whenever the OG hangs it up.
(06-29-2016 10:11 AM)Orange County Owl Wrote: (06-29-2016 09:52 AM)RiceLad15 Wrote: I had really hoped Pierce would come back here when the OG hung things up.
In addition, you would have to think that Matt Riser would be the obvious candidate at Tulane, which would likely remove him from our candidate pool.
Fitt thinks the LSU assistant head coach (Cannizaro?), who is also their primary recruiter and batting coach, is the lead candidate, with Riser as #2 or #3 on the list. Apparently, Cannizaro (?) is a Tulane alum.
Yeah, the Tulane fans want Cannizaro. After seeing what Pierce did for Tulane hitting this year, I can only imagine what Cannizaro could do.
Cannizaro played SS on Tulane's 2001 CWS team. His little brother was also a Tulane SS. Apparently, Cannizzaro interviewed for La Tech job but turned it down the day word broke that Pierce was interviewing at UT.
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RE: Texas reassigns legendary baseball coach Augie Garrido after 20 seasons
(06-29-2016 10:46 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote: Fitt thinks the LSU assistant head coach (Cannizaro?), who is also their primary recruiter and batting coach, is the lead candidate, with Riser as #2 or #3 on the list. Apparently, Cannizaro (?) is a Tulane alum.
Riser is too.
Cannizaro was one of those players beloved by the fans and still remembered and held in high regard.
Don't know that alums as your HC is always a good thing though.
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RE: Texas reassigns legendary baseball coach Augie Garrido after 20 seasons
Tweet from Statesmen that we are (as expected) opening with a four game set in Austin next year... I bet those tickets will be cheap
Right now, I know we have a home series vs. Southeastern Louisiana too. Anybody know of our two other OOC series?
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RE: Texas reassigns legendary baseball coach Augie Garrido after 20 seasons
As to the salary that will be required to hire a top tier baseball HC in the post-Graham era..I know I heard Dr K say that he and the Department were committed to keeping Rice baseball nationally competitive for the next 100 years. (!) So, I imagine that a million dollar + salary for HC would not be an obstacle.
Congrats to UT on their choice of Coach Pierce to lead their program. He's a very good coach and will probably bring them back to national prominence.
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(06-29-2016 12:28 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote: Tweet from Statesmen that we are (as expected) opening with a four game set in Austin next year... I bet those tickets will be cheap
Right now, I know we have a home series vs. Southeastern Louisiana too. Anybody know of our two other OOC series?
I believe we've got 4 games on the road in Palo Alto vs. Stanford.
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RE: Texas reassigns legendary baseball coach Augie Garrido after 20 seasons
The other problem getting a coach to move is that they would be working with someone else's recruits instead of their own for the first years.
(06-29-2016 11:00 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote: (06-29-2016 10:54 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote: (06-29-2016 10:47 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote: (06-29-2016 10:22 AM)Tiki Owl Wrote: (06-29-2016 10:16 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote: Good candidates will materialize no matter when Graham leaves - as long as we're committed to paying near or at top dollar. Not 100% confident that will happen though.
If UT has problems landing a top flight replacement for Augie what makes you think that it will be easy for Rice? I don't think salary money at UT was the issue.
I mean, I think Dave Pierce was a good candidate - clearly not the first on their wish list, but he's clearly shown to be a very competent coach.
But, I see where you're coming from. UT definitely wouldn't have had this long of a coaching search / would have gotten their first, second or even third choice if they had been successful in the last few years; as with everything, it's all about what have you done for me lately. Which is exactly what scares me about the perception of Rice whenever we are going to be looking for a new coach. That said, offering a top-notch pay package would be a way to show we are committed to get back to being a top 10 team.
I disagree a bit with yours and Tiki's perspective here. The problem with UT's search was certainly not the $$$ and I very much doubt their on-field performance the past several years; rather it was because they limitted their initial search to the current pool of elite head coaches at current national powers (LSU, Florida, Louisville, UCLA, Oregon State, TCU)-- each of whom used the UT recruitment as a vehicle for getting a substantial salary bump and contract extension. Why would those coaches leave their existing very comfortable situations and relocate their families to effectively take a lateral job at a lateral salary?
In UT's psyche, the fact that any of the above jobs, save for LSU, is considered a lateral job to UT is a travesty. That means that those other programs (that don't have the historical success that UT does) have seized the momentum from historical power like UT.
Thanks for the info on the potential baseball coaching endowment - that would be great to contribute to.
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