Trump and his campaign are not in sync. Trump wants a 3rd party candidate while his campaign manager does not.

I'm surprised by Kristol's remonstrations. The prime issue for Kristol is Israel and Trump has said on several occasions that "I'm Israel's best friend."

I'll take that as his agreement that Israel needs to be restored to its proper place as our principal strategic partner in the Middle East.

Here's the candidate. David French from the National Review. He defended an OP that was discussed here a while back.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidenti...rve-to-die

Quote:While Donald Trump has called on the GOP to become a “worker’s party”— a development Sen. Jeff Sessions called for two years ago, ironically, in the pages of the National Review— French has defended the idea that white working-class communities “deserve to die.”

Specifically, French wrote a piece in support of Kevin D. Williamson, who had said:

The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale communities is that they deserve to die. Economically, they are negative assets. Morally, they are indefensible. Forget all your cheap theatrical Bruce Springsteen crap. Forget your sanctimony about struggling Rust Belt factory towns and your conspiracy theories about the wily Orientals stealing our jobs. Forget your goddamned gypsum, and, if he has a problem with that, forget Ed Burke, too. The white American underclass is in thrall to a vicious, selfish culture whose main products are misery and used heroin needles. Donald Trump’s speeches make them feel good. So does OxyContin. What they need isn’t analgesics, literal or political. They need real opportunity, which means that they need real change, which means that they need U-Haul.

French described Williamson’s piece as “excellent” and said that Williamson’s words were “fundamentally true and important to say.”

His defense and followup is here.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/433...n-be-nasty

Fantastic comment at the bottom...

Quote:Kevin Williamson's article in your March 28 edition and its unmistakeable message and tone do underscore what is wrong with the GOP; it's just not what KDW wants us to believe. To those who are not tone deaf and who think there might be something seriously out of kilter, they must look elsewhere. Indeed, I'd say that this entire issue points out a truly sad fact..... National Review is at least five times more intent on putting a stick in Mr Trump's spokes than identifying the nation's most
immediate pressing ills. By those, I mean the socialist administration of the training-wheel tyrant BHO, the supine puppet-press in the lap of the Progressive establishment, and the lack of an honest, hard assessment of how bad it will be if we do next elect Madame Clinton. And now it's becoming fairly apparent, and not just to me, that National Review is not part of an independent fourth or fifth estate, but is rather a mouthpiece for RINO's and (and can I say it without giving KDW a calenture) the so-called “establishment”. NR must see Trump defeated and ridiculed, even if it directly equates to victory for the harridan who, after all, is just another good ole Wall Street gal and one of “you”, but not “us”.

Try taking a fresh, arms-length survey of the issue, from the cover art to the happy linking of Trump and OJ at the back. One sees letters, articles, cartoons, item after item, all blaring from the rooftops how horrible Trump is, while negative items about Hillary have to be searched for, mostly in vain. It's not my imagination.

But the coop dee grass (that's the way a blue collar Trumpster would talk, no?) is the KDW piece. Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with everything he says (especially regarding trade and economics), but contempt drips from his pen (no doubt largely directed at people like me from the sticks), and what he didn't say was much more germane than what he did. Surprisingly, I've read some from Hayek and von Mises (I'm sure KDW has read it all), and maybe Trump has not, and freer trade is better than managed trade, but KDW misses the forest for the trees. What has happened, here in the US, since the 1960's, whether KDW admits it or not, is not due to rust belt obsolescence, white racism, bigotry, religious intolerance or ignorance, and it is not epitomized by Garbutt. These are consequences and manefestations, not causes. What IS unquestioned is American decline, and that might be a better object of KDW's pen rather thanTrump. That Trump has identified this and talks about it should also give the GOP pause, but NR is too high on its Beltway high-horse to have an honest come-to-Jesus moment.

The roots of decline (or perhaps, amazingly, NR detects no decline, since KDW talks about the price of butter but nothing about debt, +40% of the populace on food stamps, a savings rate in the toilet, and dependency across the board?) are not China (although we have address US-China to understand the forest), obsolete gypsum works, or drugs, but, dare I say it, destruction of sound money and banking, socialism, and the unholy alliance linking the cancer-like growth of unelected federal bureaucracies with multinational corporations, lobbyists, and lawyers. Did all those ills begin and radiate out from the sticks, or from the Beltway? There is no recession in the Beltway or in the federal government, by the way, where fiat money flows freely, and everyone “in” takes care of his own. And last I checked, NR headquarters is in the Beltway.

Is Trump the savior or even the best remaining choice? Who knows. In 2012 we got to choose between a 1 per center moderate (and a Mormon, too) and a communist. In 2008 it was a connected, insider-RINO versus a communist. Before that we had GW, a supposed conservative who was nearly as much of a progressive as Gore and Clinton, who blew up the budget and dragged us into unnecessary wars (even your Bill eventually came around to condemn Iraq), and is arguably the reason (along with a willing, lobbyist-bought GOP congress) we now have Emperor Barry.

So, Hillary we know is a ruthless, corrupt, 1% insider, I'm suspicious of Cruz (Wall Street connections and links to the Bush family), Kasick is obviously another big government progressive, Paul (alas) is out of the race, and who knows what the real Trump is. But come on, at least do a competent job of identifying why the non-Beltway middle class is alarmed and looking for some one “outside”. Trust me, it has about 1% to do with Garbutt or anything like it.

Kevin
Russell, NR subscriber of many years

(06-01-2016 11:21 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  Here's the candidate. David French from the National Review. He defended an OP that was discussed here a while back.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidenti...rve-to-die

Quote:While Donald Trump has called on the GOP to become a “worker’s party”— a development Sen. Jeff Sessions called for two years ago, ironically, in the pages of the National Review— French has defended the idea that white working-class communities “deserve to die.”

Specifically, French wrote a piece in support of Kevin D. Williamson, who had said:

The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale communities is that they deserve to die. Economically, they are negative assets. Morally, they are indefensible. Forget all your cheap theatrical Bruce Springsteen crap. Forget your sanctimony about struggling Rust Belt factory towns and your conspiracy theories about the wily Orientals stealing our jobs. Forget your goddamned gypsum, and, if he has a problem with that, forget Ed Burke, too. The white American underclass is in thrall to a vicious, selfish culture whose main products are misery and used heroin needles. Donald Trump’s speeches make them feel good. So does OxyContin. What they need isn’t analgesics, literal or political. They need real opportunity, which means that they need real change, which means that they need U-Haul.

French described Williamson’s piece as “excellent” and said that Williamson’s words were “fundamentally true and important to say.”

Alienating the white vote. Smart!

It doesn't matter to them. They want one of "theirs" in the White House which would include Hillary.

Globalism uber alles.



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(05-30-2016 11:33 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  Kamikaze mission.

1) They cause Hillary to be elected. The neo-cons will be to blame for everything she does. They will anger at least half of the base who voted for Romney, Dole, McCain, etc. Really deep anger. Republican Party will never recover.

2) They send it to the House of Representatives. If the House selects the spoiler it will make hanging chads look like a kindergarten spat. The American people will rightly see it as a manipulation of the system to conduct a coup. Whether it is or not. They will be reviled by all. They will also run the danger of getting the Electoral College system overturned....destroying the last vestiges of Federalism in our presidential election....and turning over all future elections into popular vote scrambles in the cities.....guaranteeing that a Republican never wins another Presidential election...ever.

And for the short term, they will change it from Trump versus Hillary into Trump versus them. Further widening the cracks in the Republican coalition and keeping the destruction of the primary season going for at least 4 whole years.

They are gonna burn their own house...to....the....ground.

I don't see how they really throw this to the HOR. Because in order to do that, someone besides Hillary or Trump needs to WIN some states, and probably more than a few of them. And they have to win those states without causing one candidate or the other to win a majority.

Hillary has 40% of the vote hard core. Trump has 40% hard core. My guess is that a lot of what's left are Berners. 95% of them will end up with Hillary. Adding a protest candidate geared towards the neo-cons and Country clubbers furious about Trump would probably end up taking no more than 3-5% in the general (most people will gravitate back to the parties by election day), but that would probably be decisive for HRC. I think that once Bernie drops out, it will be more obvious where this election is headed (and it will be HRC comfortably ahead in the EC) even without Kristol's candidate.

Bernie ain't running as an indy.

(05-31-2016 07:35 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  I'm surprised by Kristol's remonstrations. The prime issue for Kristol is Israel and Trump has said on several occasions that "I'm Israel's best friend."

I'll take that as his agreement that Israel needs to be restored to its proper place as our principal strategic partner in the Middle East.

Kristol knows, like all internationalists, that Trump would be an utter disaster as a President. A pawn of Putin who would tie our military down in a million wars and conflicts simply for vanity.

For the US to help Israel, it has to be respected and powerful. Soft power is usually better than hard power. And if you're led by a laughingstock like Trump (who is basically seen as the combination of Mussolini, Boris Yeltsin, and Leona Helmsley by the rest of the world) you'll not have much soft power.

For the neo-cons (e.g., Bibi's lackeys), HRC might be the best choice. She's liberal enough to hold off the BDSers while she probably won't be too hard on Bibi. She's also not going to run off and tie down our forces in a million conflicts (she might do limited things, but nothing major). To be sure, they'd like to have someone like Dick Cheney, but given the menu, HRC is probably the best bet.

Trump might make things worse for Israel, despite his support.

(06-01-2016 12:05 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-31-2016 07:35 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  I'm surprised by Kristol's remonstrations. The prime issue for Kristol is Israel and Trump has said on several occasions that "I'm Israel's best friend."

I'll take that as his agreement that Israel needs to be restored to its proper place as our principal strategic partner in the Middle East.

Kristol knows, like all internationalists, that Trump would be an utter disaster as a President. A pawn of Putin who would tie our military down in a million wars and conflicts simply for vanity.

For the US to help Israel, it has to be respected and powerful. Soft power is usually better than hard power. And if you're led by a laughingstock like Trump (who is basically seen as the combination of Mussolini, Boris Yeltsin, and Leona Helmsley by the rest of the world) you'll not have much soft power.

For the neo-cons (e.g., Bibi's lackeys), HRC might be the best choice. She's liberal enough to hold off the BDSers while she probably won't be too hard on Bibi. She's also not going to run off and tie down our forces in a million conflicts (she might do limited things, but nothing major). To be sure, they'd like to have someone like Dick Cheney, but given the menu, HRC is probably the best bet.

Trump might make things worse for Israel, despite his support.

lol...The reason they don't like him is because he is opposed to their endless interventionism. Not because he is too warlike.

The only thing Trump has been in favor of is putting down ISIS hard and fast rather than the current slow bleed.

(06-01-2016 12:47 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 12:05 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-31-2016 07:35 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  I'm surprised by Kristol's remonstrations. The prime issue for Kristol is Israel and Trump has said on several occasions that "I'm Israel's best friend."

I'll take that as his agreement that Israel needs to be restored to its proper place as our principal strategic partner in the Middle East.

Kristol knows, like all internationalists, that Trump would be an utter disaster as a President. A pawn of Putin who would tie our military down in a million wars and conflicts simply for vanity.

For the US to help Israel, it has to be respected and powerful. Soft power is usually better than hard power. And if you're led by a laughingstock like Trump (who is basically seen as the combination of Mussolini, Boris Yeltsin, and Leona Helmsley by the rest of the world) you'll not have much soft power.

For the neo-cons (e.g., Bibi's lackeys), HRC might be the best choice. She's liberal enough to hold off the BDSers while she probably won't be too hard on Bibi. She's also not going to run off and tie down our forces in a million conflicts (she might do limited things, but nothing major). To be sure, they'd like to have someone like Dick Cheney, but given the menu, HRC is probably the best bet.

Trump might make things worse for Israel, despite his support.

lol...The reason they don't like him is because he is opposed to their endless interventionism. Not because he is too warlike.

The only thing Trump has been in favor of is putting down ISIS hard and fast rather than the current slow bleed.

They don't like Trump because he's going to start a trade war and he's a buffoon who will cause no end to problems for the US on the global stage. He's also incredibly unstable and unpredictable and lashes out without any thought whatsoever.

(06-01-2016 01:06 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 12:47 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 12:05 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-31-2016 07:35 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  I'm surprised by Kristol's remonstrations. The prime issue for Kristol is Israel and Trump has said on several occasions that "I'm Israel's best friend."

I'll take that as his agreement that Israel needs to be restored to its proper place as our principal strategic partner in the Middle East.

Kristol knows, like all internationalists, that Trump would be an utter disaster as a President. A pawn of Putin who would tie our military down in a million wars and conflicts simply for vanity.

For the US to help Israel, it has to be respected and powerful. Soft power is usually better than hard power. And if you're led by a laughingstock like Trump (who is basically seen as the combination of Mussolini, Boris Yeltsin, and Leona Helmsley by the rest of the world) you'll not have much soft power.

For the neo-cons (e.g., Bibi's lackeys), HRC might be the best choice. She's liberal enough to hold off the BDSers while she probably won't be too hard on Bibi. She's also not going to run off and tie down our forces in a million conflicts (she might do limited things, but nothing major). To be sure, they'd like to have someone like Dick Cheney, but given the menu, HRC is probably the best bet.

Trump might make things worse for Israel, despite his support.

lol...The reason they don't like him is because he is opposed to their endless interventionism. Not because he is too warlike.

The only thing Trump has been in favor of is putting down ISIS hard and fast rather than the current slow bleed.

They don't like Trump because he's going to start a trade war and he's a buffoon who will cause no end to problems for the US on the global stage. He's also incredibly unstable and unpredictable and lashes out without any thought whatsoever.

So far he hasn't screwed up Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya...created ISIS...and gotten a crap ton of people killed. He has some catching up to do to match these clowns.

This David French character is a real loon

http://www.joemygod.com/2016/06/01/bloom...g-freedom/

Apparently, the candidate that will appeal to the vast center has spent a career defending the criminalization of all LGBT persons in the USA and in other countries. How many years in a jailcamp for being Gay, Mr. French?

(06-01-2016 01:21 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 01:06 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 12:47 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 12:05 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-31-2016 07:35 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  I'm surprised by Kristol's remonstrations. The prime issue for Kristol is Israel and Trump has said on several occasions that "I'm Israel's best friend."

I'll take that as his agreement that Israel needs to be restored to its proper place as our principal strategic partner in the Middle East.

Kristol knows, like all internationalists, that Trump would be an utter disaster as a President. A pawn of Putin who would tie our military down in a million wars and conflicts simply for vanity.

For the US to help Israel, it has to be respected and powerful. Soft power is usually better than hard power. And if you're led by a laughingstock like Trump (who is basically seen as the combination of Mussolini, Boris Yeltsin, and Leona Helmsley by the rest of the world) you'll not have much soft power.

For the neo-cons (e.g., Bibi's lackeys), HRC might be the best choice. She's liberal enough to hold off the BDSers while she probably won't be too hard on Bibi. She's also not going to run off and tie down our forces in a million conflicts (she might do limited things, but nothing major). To be sure, they'd like to have someone like Dick Cheney, but given the menu, HRC is probably the best bet.

Trump might make things worse for Israel, despite his support.

lol...The reason they don't like him is because he is opposed to their endless interventionism. Not because he is too warlike.

The only thing Trump has been in favor of is putting down ISIS hard and fast rather than the current slow bleed.

They don't like Trump because he's going to start a trade war and he's a buffoon who will cause no end to problems for the US on the global stage. He's also incredibly unstable and unpredictable and lashes out without any thought whatsoever.

So far he hasn't screwed up Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya...created ISIS...and gotten a crap ton of people killed. He has some catching up to do to match these clowns.

Trump would make quick work passing that bar. Its a freaking sideshow everywhere he goes.

He's a birther. He's an anti-Vaxxer. He wants to shut down the press. He's a master of punitive and meritless lawsuits. He's more thin skinned than the most fragile SJW imaginable. His family life/personal morals would make the Kardashians blush. He lies, constantly. He repeatedly and consistently rips off just about everyone he deals with. He's been sued for fraud so much they should just call him 'the walking American Greed man'. He's employing de facto slave labor on his building in Dubai. He doesn't practice what he preaches (he offshores his manufacturing). He engages in judge tampering attempts. He spent a decade as a clownish character in a steroid vanity competition (the WWE). He engages in racially profiling speech. Trump Steaks. Trump Vodka. Trump University. He offends needlessly. We have no idea what his true financial record is (which is his posited qualification for office). He's been accused of colluding with the Mafia. He openly supports and is supported by our enemies (e.g., Putin).

And worse of all. He has no friggin' positions on vast areas of governance. Tax policy? No clue. Health care? Nothing. Military? Nothing. Just catchphrases and no details. Reminds me of Bush's FEMA director. The few items that he has gotten specific have been awful. Default on the National Debt. Mexicans are rapists. I'll start a trade war with Mexico. I'll bar all Muslims from entering this country (even citizens).

Some GOPers delude themselves by saying they can control him. They can't. That's why he's still in the race. He doesn't listen to anyone. Never has. Been a plutocrat too long for that. Has no empathy for anyone. Just anger.

He reminds me of Hugo Chavez. A populist, nationalist buffoon who doesn't listen and uses anger only to gin up support.

In short, Trump has no judgement, combined with a thin skin, and the tendency to overreact and to do so extraproportionally. He'll start a war with Belgium because they made fun of his wig on some fifth tier TV program.

You guys say you have no idea what you'll get with Trump. I don't have that concern. I know what we'll get from Trump. People like that don't change, don't listen, and you can't control them.

(06-01-2016 01:52 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 01:21 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 01:06 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 12:47 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 12:05 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Kristol knows, like all internationalists, that Trump would be an utter disaster as a President. A pawn of Putin who would tie our military down in a million wars and conflicts simply for vanity.

For the US to help Israel, it has to be respected and powerful. Soft power is usually better than hard power. And if you're led by a laughingstock like Trump (who is basically seen as the combination of Mussolini, Boris Yeltsin, and Leona Helmsley by the rest of the world) you'll not have much soft power.

For the neo-cons (e.g., Bibi's lackeys), HRC might be the best choice. She's liberal enough to hold off the BDSers while she probably won't be too hard on Bibi. She's also not going to run off and tie down our forces in a million conflicts (she might do limited things, but nothing major). To be sure, they'd like to have someone like Dick Cheney, but given the menu, HRC is probably the best bet.

Trump might make things worse for Israel, despite his support.

lol...The reason they don't like him is because he is opposed to their endless interventionism. Not because he is too warlike.

The only thing Trump has been in favor of is putting down ISIS hard and fast rather than the current slow bleed.

They don't like Trump because he's going to start a trade war and he's a buffoon who will cause no end to problems for the US on the global stage. He's also incredibly unstable and unpredictable and lashes out without any thought whatsoever.

So far he hasn't screwed up Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya...created ISIS...and gotten a crap ton of people killed. He has some catching up to do to match these clowns.

Trump would make quick work passing that bar. Its a freaking sideshow everywhere he goes.

He's a birther. He's an anti-Vaxxer. He wants to shut down the press. He's a master of punitive and meritless lawsuits. He's more thin skinned than the most fragile SJW imaginable. His family life/personal morals would make the Kardashians blush. He lies, constantly. He repeatedly and consistently rips off just about everyone he deals with. He's been sued for fraud so much they should just call him 'the walking American Greed man'. He's employing de facto slave labor on his building in Dubai. He doesn't practice what he preaches (he offshores his manufacturing). He engages in judge tampering attempts. He spent a decade as a clownish character in a steroid vanity competition (the WWE). He engages in racially profiling speech. Trump Steaks. Trump Vodka. Trump University. He offends needlessly. We have no idea what his true financial record is (which is his posited qualification for office). He's been accused of colluding with the Mafia. He openly supports and is supported by our enemies (e.g., Putin).

And worse of all. He has no friggin' positions on vast areas of governance. Tax policy? No clue. Health care? Nothing. Military? Nothing. Just catchphrases and no details. Reminds me of Bush's FEMA director. The few items that he has gotten specific have been awful. Default on the National Debt. Mexicans are rapists. I'll start a trade war with Mexico. I'll bar all Muslims from entering this country (even citizens).

Some GOPers delude themselves by saying they can control him. They can't. That's why he's still in the race. He doesn't listen to anyone. Never has. Been a plutocrat too long for that. Has no empathy for anyone. Just anger.

He reminds me of Hugo Chavez. A populist, nationalist buffoon who doesn't listen and uses anger only to gin up support.

In short, Trump has no judgement, combined with a thin skin, and the tendency to overreact and to do so extraproportionally. He'll start a war with Belgium because they made fun of his wig on some fifth tier TV program.

You guys say you have no idea what you'll get with Trump. I don't have that concern. I know what we'll get from Trump. People like that don't change, don't listen, and you can't control them.

What Trump might do is so scary that we have to put the clowns back in place that have actually screwed everything up since 1992.

That is scary.

(06-01-2016 02:12 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 01:52 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 01:21 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 01:06 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 12:47 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  lol...The reason they don't like him is because he is opposed to their endless interventionism. Not because he is too warlike.

The only thing Trump has been in favor of is putting down ISIS hard and fast rather than the current slow bleed.

They don't like Trump because he's going to start a trade war and he's a buffoon who will cause no end to problems for the US on the global stage. He's also incredibly unstable and unpredictable and lashes out without any thought whatsoever.

So far he hasn't screwed up Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya...created ISIS...and gotten a crap ton of people killed. He has some catching up to do to match these clowns.

Trump would make quick work passing that bar. Its a freaking sideshow everywhere he goes.

He's a birther. He's an anti-Vaxxer. He wants to shut down the press. He's a master of punitive and meritless lawsuits. He's more thin skinned than the most fragile SJW imaginable. His family life/personal morals would make the Kardashians blush. He lies, constantly. He repeatedly and consistently rips off just about everyone he deals with. He's been sued for fraud so much they should just call him 'the walking American Greed man'. He's employing de facto slave labor on his building in Dubai. He doesn't practice what he preaches (he offshores his manufacturing). He engages in judge tampering attempts. He spent a decade as a clownish character in a steroid vanity competition (the WWE). He engages in racially profiling speech. Trump Steaks. Trump Vodka. Trump University. He offends needlessly. We have no idea what his true financial record is (which is his posited qualification for office). He's been accused of colluding with the Mafia. He openly supports and is supported by our enemies (e.g., Putin).

And worse of all. He has no friggin' positions on vast areas of governance. Tax policy? No clue. Health care? Nothing. Military? Nothing. Just catchphrases and no details. Reminds me of Bush's FEMA director. The few items that he has gotten specific have been awful. Default on the National Debt. Mexicans are rapists. I'll start a trade war with Mexico. I'll bar all Muslims from entering this country (even citizens).

Some GOPers delude themselves by saying they can control him. They can't. That's why he's still in the race. He doesn't listen to anyone. Never has. Been a plutocrat too long for that. Has no empathy for anyone. Just anger.

He reminds me of Hugo Chavez. A populist, nationalist buffoon who doesn't listen and uses anger only to gin up support.

In short, Trump has no judgement, combined with a thin skin, and the tendency to overreact and to do so extraproportionally. He'll start a war with Belgium because they made fun of his wig on some fifth tier TV program.

You guys say you have no idea what you'll get with Trump. I don't have that concern. I know what we'll get from Trump. People like that don't change, don't listen, and you can't control them.

What Trump might do is so scary that we have to put the clowns back in place that have actually screwed everything up since 1992.

That is scary.

The 90's were pretty damn good in my book.

(06-01-2016 02:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 02:12 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 01:52 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 01:21 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(06-01-2016 01:06 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  They don't like Trump because he's going to start a trade war and he's a buffoon who will cause no end to problems for the US on the global stage. He's also incredibly unstable and unpredictable and lashes out without any thought whatsoever.

So far he hasn't screwed up Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya...created ISIS...and gotten a crap ton of people killed. He has some catching up to do to match these clowns.

Trump would make quick work passing that bar. Its a freaking sideshow everywhere he goes.

He's a birther. He's an anti-Vaxxer. He wants to shut down the press. He's a master of punitive and meritless lawsuits. He's more thin skinned than the most fragile SJW imaginable. His family life/personal morals would make the Kardashians blush. He lies, constantly. He repeatedly and consistently rips off just about everyone he deals with. He's been sued for fraud so much they should just call him 'the walking American Greed man'. He's employing de facto slave labor on his building in Dubai. He doesn't practice what he preaches (he offshores his manufacturing). He engages in judge tampering attempts. He spent a decade as a clownish character in a steroid vanity competition (the WWE). He engages in racially profiling speech. Trump Steaks. Trump Vodka. Trump University. He offends needlessly. We have no idea what his true financial record is (which is his posited qualification for office). He's been accused of colluding with the Mafia. He openly supports and is supported by our enemies (e.g., Putin).

And worse of all. He has no friggin' positions on vast areas of governance. Tax policy? No clue. Health care? Nothing. Military? Nothing. Just catchphrases and no details. Reminds me of Bush's FEMA director. The few items that he has gotten specific have been awful. Default on the National Debt. Mexicans are rapists. I'll start a trade war with Mexico. I'll bar all Muslims from entering this country (even citizens).

Some GOPers delude themselves by saying they can control him. They can't. That's why he's still in the race. He doesn't listen to anyone. Never has. Been a plutocrat too long for that. Has no empathy for anyone. Just anger.

He reminds me of Hugo Chavez. A populist, nationalist buffoon who doesn't listen and uses anger only to gin up support.

In short, Trump has no judgement, combined with a thin skin, and the tendency to overreact and to do so extraproportionally. He'll start a war with Belgium because they made fun of his wig on some fifth tier TV program.

You guys say you have no idea what you'll get with Trump. I don't have that concern. I know what we'll get from Trump. People like that don't change, don't listen, and you can't control them.

What Trump might do is so scary that we have to put the clowns back in place that have actually screwed everything up since 1992.

That is scary.

The 90's were pretty damn good in my book.

Yes, our foreign policy was brilliant. Look at the post-Cold War world that has resulted. Excellent New World Order the neo-cons constructed for us. A veritable uropia.

(05-30-2016 08:23 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(05-30-2016 07:14 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Everybody wants a third party candidate... till their guy is one of the two.

I don't have a guy. I just ******* hate the two.

Like every cycle.

If Kristol wants a candidate so bad, why doesn't he run? Nobody ever asks him that.

(06-01-2016 02:28 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  If Kristol wants a candidate so bad, why doesn't he run? Nobody ever asks him that.

He should get Paul Bremer

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Kristol is running Vermin Love Supreme as the centrist candidate. A friendly fascist and a tyrant we can all trust. Free ponies for all. Daily teeth brushing....remember, it's the law.