RE: Gorilla shot dead by zoo staff after child falls into its exhibit area
(05-30-2016 07:35 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:
(05-30-2016 07:24 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:
(05-30-2016 07:21 PM)olliebaba Wrote: Even though it was the stupid woman's fault it is still a human life and you're not going to debate who and what was the wrong scenario. They did right to kill the gorilla and screw the animal rights people. We know a lot of their nonsense so to us they are like the boy who cried wolf not too many people give them any credence anymore. I know in a situation like this I would have done the same thing to preserve that little boys life. He's a little kid and didn't know better and the mom is an idiot for not watching him but the kid went in and he had to be saved.
She should be charged with negligence and fined.
Charged with negligence?
What?
Based on the three barriers that this child had to traverse, he didn't just slip away quickly. He was out of her sight and care for minutes not seconds and she didn't notice because she was on her phone.
Imagine instead of the zoo, if he had left their home and was roaming the streets for 5-10 minutes and was hit by a car, she would likely be investigated and charged with negligence or endangering.
Negligence is not a charge. It's a mental state.
The lady sucks but sucking isn't in itself a crime.
RE: Gorilla shot dead by zoo staff after child falls into its exhibit area
(05-31-2016 10:15 AM)VA49er Wrote:
(05-31-2016 10:00 AM)Fitbud Wrote: The zoo should be partly responsible however. How in the world does a 4 year old get in there?
There had not been a Gorilla World barrier breach since the zoo opened in 1978 so it's safe to suggest the zoo had proper security in place. Now, it's hard to protect against stupid, so if that's what you want, the whole zoo would be shut down.
I understand. Believe me I fault the mother more than anything but I'm sure there is going to be a law suit and with good reason. If a four year old can get in there all by themselves, something is wrong.
RE: Gorilla shot dead by zoo staff after child falls into its exhibit area
(05-31-2016 10:49 AM)Fitbud Wrote:
(05-31-2016 10:15 AM)VA49er Wrote:
(05-31-2016 10:00 AM)Fitbud Wrote: The zoo should be partly responsible however. How in the world does a 4 year old get in there?
There had not been a Gorilla World barrier breach since the zoo opened in 1978 so it's safe to suggest the zoo had proper security in place. Now, it's hard to protect against stupid, so if that's what you want, the whole zoo would be shut down.
I understand. Believe me I fault the mother more than anything but I'm sure there is going to be a law suit and with good reason. If a four year old can get in there all by themselves, something is wrong.
If there is a lawsuit I hope the zoo goes all out against the mother. Just another example of blaming someone else and negating personal responsibility.
RE: Gorilla shot dead by zoo staff after child falls into its exhibit area
(05-31-2016 11:09 AM)VA49er Wrote:
(05-31-2016 10:49 AM)Fitbud Wrote:
(05-31-2016 10:15 AM)VA49er Wrote:
(05-31-2016 10:00 AM)Fitbud Wrote: The zoo should be partly responsible however. How in the world does a 4 year old get in there?
There had not been a Gorilla World barrier breach since the zoo opened in 1978 so it's safe to suggest the zoo had proper security in place. Now, it's hard to protect against stupid, so if that's what you want, the whole zoo would be shut down.
I understand. Believe me I fault the mother more than anything but I'm sure there is going to be a law suit and with good reason. If a four year old can get in there all by themselves, something is wrong.
If there is a lawsuit I hope the zoo goes all out against the mother. Just another example of blaming someone else and negating personal responsibility.
The mother probably has a strong case, if she did not lose sight of her boy for more than a matter of seconds. The fencing barrier in that area does not secure the enclosure.
RE: Gorilla shot dead by zoo staff after child falls into its exhibit area
The incident also led hundreds of people on social media to question the mother’s culpability, but Ms. Nicely said it would be unfair to judge the mother too harshly.
“I don’t feel like it was neglectful,” she said. “She had three other kids that she was with. She had a baby in her arms. It was literally the blink of an eye.”
RE: Gorilla shot dead by zoo staff after child falls into its exhibit area
(05-31-2016 11:27 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: The incident also led hundreds of people on social media to question the mother’s culpability, but Ms. Nicely said it would be unfair to judge the mother too harshly.
“I don’t feel like it was neglectful,” she said. “She had three other kids that she was with. She had a baby in her arms. It was literally the blink of an eye.”
RE: Gorilla shot dead by zoo staff after child falls into its exhibit area
(05-30-2016 09:11 AM)UofMstateU Wrote: Animal rights people are in the same category as tree huggers. Both think they are the voice of animals and plant wildlife. They have no clue about conservation, but want to impose their will on everyone as if they are an authority on the subjects. But most of them are clueless asswipes, and end up causing harm to the environment.
I rest my case on these nutjobs:
In a ridiculous attempt at attributing human qualities to animals The Gorilla Organization suggested that the zoo should have negotiated with the Gorilla offering it “food,” “treats,” “pineapple” or “some kind of fruit.”
At least Jack Hannah was around to bring some common sense to the situation.
RE: Gorilla shot dead by zoo staff after child falls into its exhibit area
(05-31-2016 12:57 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:
(05-30-2016 09:11 AM)UofMstateU Wrote: Animal rights people are in the same category as tree huggers. Both think they are the voice of animals and plant wildlife. They have no clue about conservation, but want to impose their will on everyone as if they are an authority on the subjects. But most of them are clueless asswipes, and end up causing harm to the environment.
I rest my case on these nutjobs:
In a ridiculous attempt at attributing human qualities to animals The Gorilla Organization suggested that the zoo should have negotiated with the Gorilla offering it “food,” “treats,” “pineapple” or “some kind of fruit.”
At least Jack Hannah was around to bring some common sense to the situation.
I heard on the radio that "negotiating" with these type animals is part of the protocol when dealing with situations sort of like this. However, there was no time to do such a think in this particular situation, IMO. I mean, I'm pretty sure folks would have been outraged if while attempting to give the gorilla a pine apple said gorilla killed the kid, etc.
RE: Gorilla shot dead by zoo staff after child falls into its exhibit area
We now live in a time when someone MUST be held at fault if something bad happens. The people at fault, as deemed by the masses, must be publicly shamed, threatened and often endangered.
RE: Gorilla shot dead by zoo staff after child falls into its exhibit area
(05-31-2016 01:09 PM)VA49er Wrote:
(05-31-2016 12:57 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:
(05-30-2016 09:11 AM)UofMstateU Wrote: Animal rights people are in the same category as tree huggers. Both think they are the voice of animals and plant wildlife. They have no clue about conservation, but want to impose their will on everyone as if they are an authority on the subjects. But most of them are clueless asswipes, and end up causing harm to the environment.
I rest my case on these nutjobs:
In a ridiculous attempt at attributing human qualities to animals The Gorilla Organization suggested that the zoo should have negotiated with the Gorilla offering it “food,” “treats,” “pineapple” or “some kind of fruit.”
At least Jack Hannah was around to bring some common sense to the situation.
I heard on the radio that "negotiating" with these type animals is part of the protocol when dealing with situations sort of like this. However, there was no time to do such a think in this particular situation, IMO. I mean, I'm pretty sure folks would have been outraged if while attempting to give the gorilla a pine apple said gorilla killed the kid, etc.
yep, which is why this group is a bunch of nutjobs. They dont care about the life or safety of the child. They would rather risk that in order to save the gorilla.
Im' pissed the gorilla had to be put down. But he had to be. It sucked that he had to be put down due to no fault of his own. But what the zoo did in that situation was correct. That gorilla could have killed the child simply trying to protect him.
I'm not sure who is at fault here. But neither the child nor the gorilla were at fault.
RE: Gorilla shot dead by zoo staff after child falls into its exhibit area
(05-31-2016 01:32 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: That gorilla could have killed the child simply trying to protect him.
I think that's what some of the angry people out there are missing. Even if the gorilla didn't plan on "attacking" the child, swinging him around like a ragdoll could've ended badly.
(05-31-2016 01:32 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: I'm not sure who is at fault here. But neither the child nor the gorilla were at fault.
Agreed.
The mother deserves some blame. And while I don't usually default to the "sue the company!" route, I have to wonder how secure the place is if a toddler was able to get into that enclosure unassisted. In this CYA world, I'm surprised a zoo would leave any loophole open.
RE: Gorilla shot dead by zoo staff after child falls into its exhibit area
(05-31-2016 12:57 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:
(05-30-2016 09:11 AM)UofMstateU Wrote: Animal rights people are in the same category as tree huggers. Both think they are the voice of animals and plant wildlife. They have no clue about conservation, but want to impose their will on everyone as if they are an authority on the subjects. But most of them are clueless asswipes, and end up causing harm to the environment.
I rest my case on these nutjobs:
In a ridiculous attempt at attributing human qualities to animals The Gorilla Organization suggested that the zoo should have negotiated with the Gorilla offering it “food,” “treats,” “pineapple” or “some kind of fruit.”
At least Jack Hannah was around to bring some common sense to the situation.
In one of the reports I read they tried to lure the gorilla out of the exhibit with treats. Evidently it worked on the females but the male was preoccupied with the child.
FWIW a friend of mine shared a Facebook post by someone who evidently used to work with gorillas at another zoo. This person said that when they watched the video it gave them chills because they knew that what Harambe was doing was not protecting the child as popular opinion seems to be but asserting it's dominance. They also said that tranquilizers were not an option in part because of the danger of the 400lb animal drowning in the water.
RE: Gorilla shot dead by zoo staff after child falls into its exhibit area
(05-31-2016 02:20 PM)Kaplony Wrote:
(05-31-2016 12:57 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:
(05-30-2016 09:11 AM)UofMstateU Wrote: Animal rights people are in the same category as tree huggers. Both think they are the voice of animals and plant wildlife. They have no clue about conservation, but want to impose their will on everyone as if they are an authority on the subjects. But most of them are clueless asswipes, and end up causing harm to the environment.
I rest my case on these nutjobs:
In a ridiculous attempt at attributing human qualities to animals The Gorilla Organization suggested that the zoo should have negotiated with the Gorilla offering it “food,” “treats,” “pineapple” or “some kind of fruit.”
At least Jack Hannah was around to bring some common sense to the situation.
In one of the reports I read they tried to lure the gorilla out of the exhibit with treats. Evidently it worked on the females but the male was preoccupied with the child.
FWIW a friend of mine shared a Facebook post by someone who evidently used to work with gorillas at another zoo. This person said that when they watched the video it gave them chills because they knew that what Harambe was doing was not protecting the child as popular opinion seems to be but asserting it's dominance. They also said that tranquilizers were not an option in part because of the danger of the 400lb animal drowning in the water.
Seems tranquilizers would not have been an option also because I imagine it would take some time for the drugs to work and during that time who know what could have happened to the child.
RE: Gorilla shot dead by zoo staff after child falls into its exhibit area
(05-31-2016 01:29 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote: We now live in a time when someone MUST be held at fault if something bad happens. The people at fault, as deemed by the masses, must be publicly shamed, threatened and often endangered.
I mean as tragic as seeing a gorilla put down because of the stupidity of parents is, watching a child torn limb from limb by an angry 400 lb gorilla would be more terrifying. I do not understand how all of a sudden everyone is an animal behavioral specialist. Most experts agree that the gorilla was not protecting the child and becoming more agitated as time went on. People need to shut their mouth and listen to the experts, that is why they are experts and we are not.Seems like anybody with a twitter is an expert now. You wouldn't walk into to open heart surgery and tell the surgeon how to do their job so why would anybody think they know better then Jack Hannah? I love animals just as much as the next person and to some degree the zoo carries some of the blame for not building an enclosure that apparently is not toddler proof but they made the right call. This should be open and shut, people need to get a grip and accept that they do not know everything.
RE: Gorilla shot dead by zoo staff after child falls into its exhibit area
(05-31-2016 08:19 PM)GreenWave16 Wrote:
(05-31-2016 01:29 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote: We now live in a time when someone MUST be held at fault if something bad happens. The people at fault, as deemed by the masses, must be publicly shamed, threatened and often endangered.
I mean as tragic as seeing a gorilla put down because of the stupidity of parents is, watching a child torn limb from limb by an angry 400 lb gorilla would be more terrifying. I do not understand how all of a sudden everyone is an animal behavioral specialist. Most experts agree that the gorilla was not protecting the child and becoming more agitated as time went on. People need to shut their mouth and listen to the experts, that is why they are experts and we are not.Seems like anybody with a twitter is an expert now. You wouldn't walk into to open heart surgery and tell the surgeon how to do their job so why would anybody think they know better then Jack Hannah? I love animals just as much as the next person and to some degree the zoo carries some of the blame for not building an enclosure that apparently is not toddler proof but they made the right call. This should be open and shut, people need to get a grip and accept that they do not know everything.
Who are you and what'd you do with GreenWave? For once, you've posted like a normal person. Well done. Don't stop.
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