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(07-08-2016 07:01 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  And also... No way we should have been division champs in 2000 at 8-5... But remember, the Mac changed the way the divisions were tallied... Crossover games didn't count that year.. Both Toledo and WMU handed us our ass on a platter that year...
Having the championship game in your home stadium helped too. I am a firm supporter of how we use neutral site now. The next step to making the system better is to get rid of the divisions and send the top two teams to the championship.
you're right WW... No question... It was a "bid process"... Were we a beneficiary of favoritism? I believe so... But don't fault us, because the MAC either offered or accepted our offer of hosting the ccg... Would that be the case now? Nope. Just being objective... The problem with the neutral site thing is that attendance takes w huge hit if, say, Buffalo and Ball state end up in the ccg... Even NIU.. I think you have to have a host... With a process to determine highest seed

The problem is this... For the Mac to play a true round robin, you would have 12 conference games... Who do you kick out?
05-nono We are not going to go there.
You have obviously seen some of the recent discussions on this board pertaining to certain a HBO program and their assumptions. Lets not reopen that can of worms.

Lol...yeah, I have.... My question was more rhetorical than anything... The Mac won't kick anyone out...again! 03-lmfao
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(07-08-2016 07:44 PM)westernwilly Wrote:  The next step to making the system better is to get rid of the divisions

No, it isn't.
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(07-10-2016 12:46 PM)bobcat_backer Wrote:  
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(07-08-2016 11:15 PM)westernwilly Wrote:  
(07-08-2016 08:59 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  
(07-08-2016 07:44 PM)westernwilly Wrote:  Having the championship game in your home stadium helped too. I am a firm supporter of how we use neutral site now. The next step to making the system better is to get rid of the divisions and send the top two teams to the championship.
you're right WW... No question... It was a "bid process"... Were we a beneficiary of favoritism? I believe so... But don't fault us, because the MAC either offered or accepted our offer of hosting the ccg... Would that be the case now? Nope. Just being objective... The problem with the neutral site thing is that attendance takes w huge hit if, say, Buffalo and Ball state end up in the ccg... Even NIU.. I think you have to have a host... With a process to determine highest seed

The problem is this... For the Mac to play a true round robin, you would have 12 conference games... Who do you kick out?
05-nono We are not going to go there.
You have obviously seen some of the recent discussions on this board pertaining to certain a HBO program and their assumptions. Lets not reopen that can of worms.

Lol...yeah, I have.... My question was more rhetorical than anything... The Mac won't kick anyone out...again! 03-lmfao

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(07-08-2016 07:44 PM)westernwilly Wrote:  The next step to making the system better is to get rid of the divisions

No, it isn't.

Yes it is... The divisions already don't matter in basketball. You do not secure a top 2 seed by winning the division and it's seeded 1-12 with no bias in avoiding division matchups. In football it should be an 8 game schedule at random protecting rivalries, and the best 2 teams go to the championship game... How is that not better? In basketball we are one of two conferences still with divisions...
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(07-11-2016 12:42 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  
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(07-08-2016 07:44 PM)westernwilly Wrote:  The next step to making the system better is to get rid of the divisions

No, it isn't.

Yes it is... The divisions already don't matter in basketball. You do not secure a top 2 seed by winning the division and it's seeded 1-12 with no bias in avoiding division matchups. In football it should be an 8 game schedule at random protecting rivalries, and the best 2 teams go to the championship game... How is that not better? In basketball we are one of two conferences still with divisions...

Because basketball isn't a one and done and they don't just admit 2 teams, and there's really no way to play enough of a balanced schedule like basketball does. It's apples and oranges.

It's pretty much the way all of college football handles things.
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(07-08-2016 07:44 PM)westernwilly Wrote:  The next step to making the system better is to get rid of the divisions

No, it isn't.

Yes it is... The divisions already don't matter in basketball. You do not secure a top 2 seed by winning the division and it's seeded 1-12 with no bias in avoiding division matchups. In football it should be an 8 game schedule at random protecting rivalries, and the best 2 teams go to the championship game... How is that not better? In basketball we are one of two conferences still with divisions...

Because basketball isn't a one and done and they don't just admit 2 teams, and there's really no way to play enough of a balanced schedule like basketball does. It's apples and oranges.

It's pretty much the way all of college football handles things.
It's apples to oranges with divisions in football.

You can have 6 teams all interplay each other with 3 games that are different in 2 year cycles... But they dont always have to be the same West and East teams. Keeping it on a random rotation will keep one dominant team in a division of pooballs from happening as frequently.

NIU would have years they dont play Toledo before the MACC... And years where Ohio and BG could be the best two and avoid eachother.

Proximity is so null that a plane ride is a plane ride anyways so NIU can get to UB, or OU faster than driving to Toledo anyhow. The conference is small enough geographically that west and East doesn't matter. The power being on one side for a decade is old in both sports right? Getting rid of them in basketball along with football would be great.
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(07-11-2016 01:55 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  
(07-11-2016 01:21 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(07-11-2016 12:42 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  
(07-11-2016 09:31 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  
(07-08-2016 07:44 PM)westernwilly Wrote:  The next step to making the system better is to get rid of the divisions

No, it isn't.

Yes it is... The divisions already don't matter in basketball. You do not secure a top 2 seed by winning the division and it's seeded 1-12 with no bias in avoiding division matchups. In football it should be an 8 game schedule at random protecting rivalries, and the best 2 teams go to the championship game... How is that not better? In basketball we are one of two conferences still with divisions...

Because basketball isn't a one and done and they don't just admit 2 teams, and there's really no way to play enough of a balanced schedule like basketball does. It's apples and oranges.

It's pretty much the way all of college football handles things.
It's apples to oranges with divisions in football.

You can have 6 teams all interplay each other with 3 games that are different in 2 year cycles... But they dont always have to be the same West and East teams. Keeping it on a random rotation will keep one dominant team in a division of pooballs from happening as frequently.

NIU would have years they dont play Toledo before the MACC... And years where Ohio and BG could be the best two and avoid eachother.

Proximity is so null that a plane ride is a plane ride anyways so NIU can get to UB, or OU faster than driving to Toledo anyhow. The conference is small enough geographically that west and East doesn't matter. The power being on one side for a decade is old in both sports right? Getting rid of them in basketball along with football would be great.

Too much dude. This just isn't feasible. Especially since Toledo is really the only team that you're trying to help...solely because they can't win their own division outright.
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(07-11-2016 02:02 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(07-11-2016 01:55 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  
(07-11-2016 01:21 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(07-11-2016 12:42 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  
(07-11-2016 09:31 AM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  No, it isn't.

Yes it is... The divisions already don't matter in basketball. You do not secure a top 2 seed by winning the division and it's seeded 1-12 with no bias in avoiding division matchups. In football it should be an 8 game schedule at random protecting rivalries, and the best 2 teams go to the championship game... How is that not better? In basketball we are one of two conferences still with divisions...

Because basketball isn't a one and done and they don't just admit 2 teams, and there's really no way to play enough of a balanced schedule like basketball does. It's apples and oranges.

It's pretty much the way all of college football handles things.
It's apples to oranges with divisions in football.

You can have 6 teams all interplay each other with 3 games that are different in 2 year cycles... But they dont always have to be the same West and East teams. Keeping it on a random rotation will keep one dominant team in a division of pooballs from happening as frequently.

NIU would have years they dont play Toledo before the MACC... And years where Ohio and BG could be the best two and avoid eachother.

Proximity is so null that a plane ride is a plane ride anyways so NIU can get to UB, or OU faster than driving to Toledo anyhow. The conference is small enough geographically that west and East doesn't matter. The power being on one side for a decade is old in both sports right? Getting rid of them in basketball along with football would be great.

Too much dude. This just isn't feasible. Especially since Toledo is really the only team that you're trying to help...solely because they can't win their own division outright.

Of course it wont help the usul bottom dwellers. It doesnt matter who they play. You dont think WMU and CMU would enjoy being in the opposite division of NIU and Toledo? This would also help the entire east in basketball. What I am saying is do em both in the same year. In 2014 Ball State gets to .500 probably if they don't have the gauntlet of four bowl teams. They beat the East champ... Imagine if they played Toledo, EMU, CMU, BG, UB, Miami, Kent, and Ohio. They go 5-3 or 6-2 in the league.
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Without round robin, which is impossible in a 12 team conference, there will always be someone complaining about the setup. Having a conference championship game without divisions just seems weird.
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(07-11-2016 02:34 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  Having a conference championship game without divisions just seems weird.

Very weird.

Divisions are a good thing. They give fans of more programs a reason to stay interested longer in the season. Double the hardware, double the fun!

If you are a Northern Illinois fan, would you rather brag about being the second-place MAC team in 2015 or would you rather brag about being MAC West champion? Obviously the latter.
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(07-11-2016 03:15 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  
(07-11-2016 02:34 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  Having a conference championship game without divisions just seems weird.

Very weird.

Divisions are a good thing. They give fans of more programs a reason to stay interested longer in the season. Double the hardware, double the fun!

If you are a Northern Illinois fan, would you rather brag about being the second-place MAC team in 2015 or would you rather brag about being MAC West champion? Obviously the latter.

What? You would be declared conference runner up and still rewarded a conference championship game in Detroit. The MAC West title thing is what everyone makes fun of Toledo for claiming in 2011, 2014, and 2015 even though we did not participate in the title game.

And Interested? BG fans are not interested once they are 5-0 and clinched before November.
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(07-11-2016 03:53 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  
(07-11-2016 03:15 PM)Schadenfreude Wrote:  
(07-11-2016 02:34 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  Having a conference championship game without divisions just seems weird.

Very weird.

Divisions are a good thing. They give fans of more programs a reason to stay interested longer in the season. Double the hardware, double the fun!

If you are a Northern Illinois fan, would you rather brag about being the second-place MAC team in 2015 or would you rather brag about being MAC West champion? Obviously the latter.

The MAC West title thing is what everyone makes fun of Toledo for claiming in 2011, 2014, and 2015 even though we did not participate in the title game.

And rightly so, because you lost the tiebreaker.
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(07-11-2016 02:22 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  
(07-11-2016 02:02 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
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(07-11-2016 12:42 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Yes it is... The divisions already don't matter in basketball. You do not secure a top 2 seed by winning the division and it's seeded 1-12 with no bias in avoiding division matchups. In football it should be an 8 game schedule at random protecting rivalries, and the best 2 teams go to the championship game... How is that not better? In basketball we are one of two conferences still with divisions...

Because basketball isn't a one and done and they don't just admit 2 teams, and there's really no way to play enough of a balanced schedule like basketball does. It's apples and oranges.

It's pretty much the way all of college football handles things.
It's apples to oranges with divisions in football.

You can have 6 teams all interplay each other with 3 games that are different in 2 year cycles... But they dont always have to be the same West and East teams. Keeping it on a random rotation will keep one dominant team in a division of pooballs from happening as frequently.

NIU would have years they dont play Toledo before the MACC... And years where Ohio and BG could be the best two and avoid eachother.

Proximity is so null that a plane ride is a plane ride anyways so NIU can get to UB, or OU faster than driving to Toledo anyhow. The conference is small enough geographically that west and East doesn't matter. The power being on one side for a decade is old in both sports right? Getting rid of them in basketball along with football would be great.

Too much dude. This just isn't feasible. Especially since Toledo is really the only team that you're trying to help...solely because they can't win their own division outright.

Of course it wont help the usul bottom dwellers. It doesnt matter who they play. You dont think WMU and CMU would enjoy being in the opposite division of NIU and Toledo? This would also help the entire east in basketball. What I am saying is do em both in the same year. In 2014 Ball State gets to .500 probably if they don't have the gauntlet of four bowl teams. They beat the East champ... Imagine if they played Toledo, EMU, CMU, BG, UB, Miami, Kent, and Ohio. They go 5-3 or 6-2 in the league.

Also, anything you're proposing would mean that BG and Toledo don't play each and every year...and might go 2 or 3 years without playing each other. Would you be okay with that? I wouldn't, neither would either teams players I would bet.
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(07-11-2016 04:08 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(07-11-2016 02:22 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  
(07-11-2016 02:02 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
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(07-11-2016 01:21 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Because basketball isn't a one and done and they don't just admit 2 teams, and there's really no way to play enough of a balanced schedule like basketball does. It's apples and oranges.

It's pretty much the way all of college football handles things.
It's apples to oranges with divisions in football.

You can have 6 teams all interplay each other with 3 games that are different in 2 year cycles... But they dont always have to be the same West and East teams. Keeping it on a random rotation will keep one dominant team in a division of pooballs from happening as frequently.

NIU would have years they dont play Toledo before the MACC... And years where Ohio and BG could be the best two and avoid eachother.

Proximity is so null that a plane ride is a plane ride anyways so NIU can get to UB, or OU faster than driving to Toledo anyhow. The conference is small enough geographically that west and East doesn't matter. The power being on one side for a decade is old in both sports right? Getting rid of them in basketball along with football would be great.

Too much dude. This just isn't feasible. Especially since Toledo is really the only team that you're trying to help...solely because they can't win their own division outright.

Of course it wont help the usul bottom dwellers. It doesnt matter who they play. You dont think WMU and CMU would enjoy being in the opposite division of NIU and Toledo? This would also help the entire east in basketball. What I am saying is do em both in the same year. In 2014 Ball State gets to .500 probably if they don't have the gauntlet of four bowl teams. They beat the East champ... Imagine if they played Toledo, EMU, CMU, BG, UB, Miami, Kent, and Ohio. They go 5-3 or 6-2 in the league.

Also, anything you're proposing would mean that BG and Toledo don't play each and every year...and might go 2 or 3 years without playing each other. Would you be okay with that? I wouldn't, neither would either teams players I would bet.

Look back to the original post. I want to protect rivalries. That means UT vs. BG. Miami vs. Ohio. Akron vs. Kent. Michigan threeway. And a couple others if agreed upon like NIU vs. Ball State. There is a way to do it. I wouldn't mind drawing teams out of a fricking hat. It works for the Big12 and Sunbelt, minus they choose not to have title games.
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(07-11-2016 04:12 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  
(07-11-2016 04:08 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
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(07-11-2016 01:55 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  It's apples to oranges with divisions in football.

You can have 6 teams all interplay each other with 3 games that are different in 2 year cycles... But they dont always have to be the same West and East teams. Keeping it on a random rotation will keep one dominant team in a division of pooballs from happening as frequently.

NIU would have years they dont play Toledo before the MACC... And years where Ohio and BG could be the best two and avoid eachother.

Proximity is so null that a plane ride is a plane ride anyways so NIU can get to UB, or OU faster than driving to Toledo anyhow. The conference is small enough geographically that west and East doesn't matter. The power being on one side for a decade is old in both sports right? Getting rid of them in basketball along with football would be great.

Too much dude. This just isn't feasible. Especially since Toledo is really the only team that you're trying to help...solely because they can't win their own division outright.

Of course it wont help the usul bottom dwellers. It doesnt matter who they play. You dont think WMU and CMU would enjoy being in the opposite division of NIU and Toledo? This would also help the entire east in basketball. What I am saying is do em both in the same year. In 2014 Ball State gets to .500 probably if they don't have the gauntlet of four bowl teams. They beat the East champ... Imagine if they played Toledo, EMU, CMU, BG, UB, Miami, Kent, and Ohio. They go 5-3 or 6-2 in the league.

Also, anything you're proposing would mean that BG and Toledo don't play each and every year...and might go 2 or 3 years without playing each other. Would you be okay with that? I wouldn't, neither would either teams players I would bet.

Look back to the original post. I want to protect rivalries. That means UT vs. BG. Miami vs. Ohio. Akron vs. Kent. Michigan threeway. And a couple others if agreed upon like NIU vs. Ball State. There is a way to do it. I wouldn't mind drawing teams out of a fricking hat. It works for the Big12 and Sunbelt, minus they choose not to have title games.

But it's not fair that BG would have to play Toledo each year. And it's not fair that WMU and CMU would each get to play EMU each year. And It's not fair that Ohio gets to play Miami each year.

Or we could just leave things alone and wait a few years and things will likely all just change on their own with the cyclical nature of sport.
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(07-11-2016 04:39 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
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(07-11-2016 02:02 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Too much dude. This just isn't feasible. Especially since Toledo is really the only team that you're trying to help...solely because they can't win their own division outright.

Of course it wont help the usul bottom dwellers. It doesnt matter who they play. You dont think WMU and CMU would enjoy being in the opposite division of NIU and Toledo? This would also help the entire east in basketball. What I am saying is do em both in the same year. In 2014 Ball State gets to .500 probably if they don't have the gauntlet of four bowl teams. They beat the East champ... Imagine if they played Toledo, EMU, CMU, BG, UB, Miami, Kent, and Ohio. They go 5-3 or 6-2 in the league.

Also, anything you're proposing would mean that BG and Toledo don't play each and every year...and might go 2 or 3 years without playing each other. Would you be okay with that? I wouldn't, neither would either teams players I would bet.

Look back to the original post. I want to protect rivalries. That means UT vs. BG. Miami vs. Ohio. Akron vs. Kent. Michigan threeway. And a couple others if agreed upon like NIU vs. Ball State. There is a way to do it. I wouldn't mind drawing teams out of a fricking hat. It works for the Big12 and Sunbelt, minus they choose not to have title games.

But it's not fair that BG would have to play Toledo each year. And it's not fair that WMU and CMU would each get to play EMU each year. And It's not fair that Ohio gets to play Miami each year.

Or we could just leave things alone and wait a few years and things will likely all just change on their own with the cyclical nature of sport.

Cyclical? Eh. Some teams are pretty good with short periods of turmoil. Others are never good. 6 teams can rotate with EMU and be fine. Its an sos blow anyways.
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If the MAC dropped divisions in BBall and UB didn't get Kent, Akron and Ohio both home and away every season it would suck. We don't care about who we play in the west. I remember Coach Dambrot being upset the Zips @ Bulls game last year was scheduled before students got back on campus. The coaches enjoy the rivalries as much as any of us. Divisions help build these rivalries.
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(07-13-2016 02:39 AM)NickleCity Wrote:  If the MAC dropped divisions in BBall and UB didn't get Kent, Akron and Ohio both home and away every season it would suck. We don't care about who we play in the west. I remember Coach Dambrot being upset the Zips @ Bulls game last year was scheduled before students got back on campus. The coaches enjoy the rivalries as much as any of us. Divisions help build these rivalries.

That's why I don't think you'll see the MAC go away from divisions in basketball.

Akron: Wants to play Kent, Buffalo and Ohio every year at home.
Buffalo: Wants to play Kent, Akron and Ohio every year at home.
Kent: Wants to play Akron, Buffalo and Ohio every year at home.
Ohio: Wants to play Akron, Kent and Miami every year at home.
Miami: Wants to play Ohio every year at home.
BG: Wants to play Toledo at home every home.

I think the fact that three of those schools are lockstep with each other (Akron, Kent, Buffalo) on who they want to play twice every year gives them a pretty good base to fight any changes.

Then you add in Ohio, who definitely wants to play Akron and Kent at home every year (but, I'm assuming, doesn't feel as strongly about Buffalo as the other two due to the Miami rivalry), that still gives you four schools (and the top four recent basketball schools in the league) who are almost all on the same page.

Miami probably doesn't care too much either way, outside of Ohio, but when push comes to shove, would rather play Akron and Kent at home every year over any other alternative. So that's team No. 5 on board with the current divisional setup.

On the west, I'm guessing the Michigan schools want to also all have a guaranteed home game against each other. So now that's eight teams who are relatively happy.

If there is a way to ensure Toledo-BG play twice every year, that makes 10 ... with only NIU and Ball State on an island (though I guess you could try to turn that into a rivalry).

Football is a different animal since there is no way you could think about trying to guarantee a home game every year against a rival. And unlike most other conferences, that is why I think the MAC could go the opposite direction (in keeping divisions in hoops and going to no divisions in football)... All you have to do is protect one annual rivalry for most schools ...

Akron-Kent
Miami-Ohio
Toledo-BG
WMU-CMU

Those are the four big ones.

NIU-Ball State (just as it is in hoops, is kind of forced, but makes some sense.)

That leaves Buffalo-EMU as the only real bastard "rivalry" ... kind of like Penn State-Michigan State was in football in the Big Ten for a couple of years. But EMU, unfortunately, just has to go along, and Buffalo is on the football island.

Plus, you could create some sort of "Customs Cup" trophy to try to give a EMU-Buffalo series some more meaning (I'm assuming the schools go through Ontario on road trips to get to each other instead of going around Lake Erie on the Ohio side).
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