(05-31-2016 05:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-31-2016 04:42 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(05-31-2016 10:03 AM)JRsec Wrote:  The point here Vandiver is that the board was to be dedicated to the "discussion" of things pertaining to college sports, and to realignment. The implication is news and evolving events. It was to be heavily moderated to insure the civility and atmosphere required to make it happen.

The moderation of ACC people was way too loose, mostly because of their numbers. The ACC people who have been a problem are from the list of old Big East members and many of them are still poking the bear with regards to UConn and others left behind.

The board was controllable somewhat when it was just that crowd. But now you have Sunbelt and USA people who hash and rehash their petty differences and crap that absolutely nobody else gives a damn about and many of them are on the CS&CR board because their own home forums stopped them long ago.

This is why I requested some G5 mod representation on the CS&CR board. If one of the present mods (all P5) try to bring them in line it's because we are haters and biased or some other panzy lame azzed excuse! It's disgusting and their tripe is like wading knee deep in a sewer while looking for a fresh piece of fruit. Even if you find it, you don't want to linger to enjoy it because of the environment.

If they didn't have a place to go already I would understand. But when their own boards have given them the cold shoulder and they just show up to bellyache and play victim and get into endless ad nauseam debates over minutia that 85% of those checking into the board either don't care about, or haven't even a clue why someone would care about it, then we lose traffic, particularly among P5 posters.

We've complained, asked to get tougher on it, requested a P5 only board, and nothing. Don't we have a right to get away from that crap as long as they have a place to go??? So spare me your sensitivity on this one. It's out of place, and ill informed. They have plenty of places to have their mutual gripe and moan fest. I should have the right to have a place to go and discuss P5 issues civilly with other P5 fans without having every thread permeated with their bellyaching!

You're probably right as while I've seen the vitriol you've mentioned, none of it has been directed at me. But it's annoying just the same to see the same complaints brought up continuously brought up.

The new thread over there today is about Chip's announcement that no Big 12 expansion is likely. In it I gave a reason for the stance, why not expanding would benefit not only the brands but the lesser brands especially should they decide to use the leverage they have now to help other state schools from their home states find a home.

I also added a very odd comment by Florida's A.D. today with regards to future SEC expansion when Foley stated the party line of how we were happy at 14 but if another major conference were to blow up that we would be interested in programs that coincided with our long range vision and goals. That tag on is highly unusual.

The post has since been buried by 3 G5 guys arguing over whether the Big 12 presidents have already gotten the reports on the value of expansion or not. That's just one prime illustration of how their angst and BS has killed that board. They would rather argue ad nauseam over a trivial detail than to faithfully discuss the OP. And that crap happens in thread after thread after thread. Unless there is a reported post I hardly ever read that drivel. They can discuss that on the damned AAC forum where Cincinnati and South Florida posters belong! But, I doubt that board wants page after page of those kinds of posts either!

Sometimes I wish that certain posts were closed to non SEC forum members.

That kind of stuff doesn't actually bother me because I chalk it up largely to the quality of individual that goes to school at many of 'those' schools. It doesn't surprise me one bit that they are stuck in the mud. Wether it is popular to say or not there is a difference, and it is often times a wide one. And, contrary to what may be said on some other sub-forums, they didn't all graduate first in their high school class only to choose Southwestern Central Guin State because the campus just felt so great and the underwater basket weaving program was 172nd in the nation.

I will freely admit that isn't true of all of them, just most.

I don't like the victimhood complex and the conspiracy theories designed to paint others through some twisted logic and Alex Jones style garbage. That's what twists me off and relegated me largely to the Spin Room and its more overt brand of bull****.

I never posted very much over there, but on one occasion I decided to post a wild idea, as I am prone to do, on how the G5 might gain some traction and additional revenue by creating their own playoff. It wasn't really that original of an idea. I'd heard it before, I just thought I would post it over there and get some thoughts.

One aspect of the plan was that the G5 would create its own division and crown it's own national champion. Now the money wouldn't have been equivalent to what the P5 brings down, but I was genuinely suggesting a way I thought that G5 teams might separate themselves and gain greater exposure. Of course, I could have been wrong about the whole idea, but it was a just a thought and it was presented politely, not a hint of condescension.

Well, I got skewered three ways to Sunday. Half the posts in response were shots at Bama for losing to Ole Miss...because that was so relevant to the conversation. Anyway, I didn't post much after that and haven't even been back in quite a while. I didn't see the point of dealing with such hostility.

It's impossible to have a rational conversation on the CR board with all the personal attacks & trolling. It's as if pointing out a negative about the program you root for somehow strengthens their argument & diminishes yours even though they are completely unrelated. You have posters that wear the troll title as a badge of honor & promote "troll school". The AAC board is even worse but that is their problem. I tend to gravitate towards the ACC, SEC & even a little towards the B1G boards. Reality is more prevalent & while there maybe some elitism there it is far more tolerable than the trolling.

(05-31-2016 09:04 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I never posted very much over there, but on one occasion I decided to post a wild idea, as I am prone to do, on how the G5 might gain some traction and additional revenue by creating their own playoff. It wasn't really that original of an idea. I'd heard it before, I just thought I would post it over there and get some thoughts.

One aspect of the plan was that the G5 would create its own division and crown it's own national champion. Now the money wouldn't have been equivalent to what the P5 brings down, but I was genuinely suggesting a way I thought that G5 teams might separate themselves and gain greater exposure. Of course, I could have been wrong about the whole idea, but it was a just a thought and it was presented politely, not a hint of condescension.

Well, I got skewered three ways to Sunday. Half the posts in response were shots at Bama for losing to Ole Miss...because that was so relevant to the conversation. Anyway, I didn't post much after that and haven't even been back in quite a while. I didn't see the point of dealing with such hostility.

That is a worthwhile discussion but I don't think that it will happen. It's one that I thought about myself. In doing so the G5 would separate themselves from the P5 & they are fighting like heck to be seen as being equal to the P5. Also in having their own tournament would likely cause the G5 to forfeit the CFP $$$.

(06-02-2016 09:46 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(05-31-2016 09:04 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I never posted very much over there, but on one occasion I decided to post a wild idea, as I am prone to do, on how the G5 might gain some traction and additional revenue by creating their own playoff. It wasn't really that original of an idea. I'd heard it before, I just thought I would post it over there and get some thoughts.

One aspect of the plan was that the G5 would create its own division and crown it's own national champion. Now the money wouldn't have been equivalent to what the P5 brings down, but I was genuinely suggesting a way I thought that G5 teams might separate themselves and gain greater exposure. Of course, I could have been wrong about the whole idea, but it was a just a thought and it was presented politely, not a hint of condescension.

Well, I got skewered three ways to Sunday. Half the posts in response were shots at Bama for losing to Ole Miss...because that was so relevant to the conversation. Anyway, I didn't post much after that and haven't even been back in quite a while. I didn't see the point of dealing with such hostility.

That is a worthwhile discussion but I don't think that it will happen. It's one that I thought about myself. In doing so the G5 would separate themselves from the P5 & they are fighting like heck to be seen as being equal to the P5. Also in having their own tournament would likely cause the G5 to forfeit the CFP $$$.

I have heard this idea with the caveat that the G5 schools would play spring football so they aren't going head to head with say Bama-Ole Miss. People are hungry for football in the spring. I don't know how it would work, but something like "your Cinderella busted your bracket, but its okay, because you can still root for the little guys next week," as (for example!) Houston plays Georgia Southern and MTSU plays Colorado state for spots in the championship game.

(*Note: I recognize this is off topic from the OP! Sorry!)

(06-02-2016 09:46 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(05-31-2016 09:04 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I never posted very much over there, but on one occasion I decided to post a wild idea, as I am prone to do, on how the G5 might gain some traction and additional revenue by creating their own playoff. It wasn't really that original of an idea. I'd heard it before, I just thought I would post it over there and get some thoughts.

One aspect of the plan was that the G5 would create its own division and crown it's own national champion. Now the money wouldn't have been equivalent to what the P5 brings down, but I was genuinely suggesting a way I thought that G5 teams might separate themselves and gain greater exposure. Of course, I could have been wrong about the whole idea, but it was a just a thought and it was presented politely, not a hint of condescension.

Well, I got skewered three ways to Sunday. Half the posts in response were shots at Bama for losing to Ole Miss...because that was so relevant to the conversation. Anyway, I didn't post much after that and haven't even been back in quite a while. I didn't see the point of dealing with such hostility.

That is a worthwhile discussion but I don't think that it will happen. It's one that I thought about myself. In doing so the G5 would separate themselves from the P5 & they are fighting like heck to be seen as being equal to the P5. Also in having their own tournament would likely cause the G5 to forfeit the CFP $$$.

Do you care about the DII Championship? Most people don't, which is why the G5 isn't interested in being separated from the P5. The current situation is far more tolerable than being cast into irrelevancy.

(06-03-2016 08:16 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 09:46 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(05-31-2016 09:04 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I never posted very much over there, but on one occasion I decided to post a wild idea, as I am prone to do, on how the G5 might gain some traction and additional revenue by creating their own playoff. It wasn't really that original of an idea. I'd heard it before, I just thought I would post it over there and get some thoughts.

One aspect of the plan was that the G5 would create its own division and crown it's own national champion. Now the money wouldn't have been equivalent to what the P5 brings down, but I was genuinely suggesting a way I thought that G5 teams might separate themselves and gain greater exposure. Of course, I could have been wrong about the whole idea, but it was a just a thought and it was presented politely, not a hint of condescension.

Well, I got skewered three ways to Sunday. Half the posts in response were shots at Bama for losing to Ole Miss...because that was so relevant to the conversation. Anyway, I didn't post much after that and haven't even been back in quite a while. I didn't see the point of dealing with such hostility.

That is a worthwhile discussion but I don't think that it will happen. It's one that I thought about myself. In doing so the G5 would separate themselves from the P5 & they are fighting like heck to be seen as being equal to the P5. Also in having their own tournament would likely cause the G5 to forfeit the CFP $$$.

Do you care about the DII Championship? Most people don't, which is why the G5 isn't interested in being separated from the P5. The current situation is far more tolerable than being cast into irrelevancy.

I don't think that's a fair comparison. Even the FCS playoffs are getting on TV these days. All the minor bowls including G5 teams are on TV. How many more people would watch if you threw in the element of the one and done playoff?

G5 schools have decent sized fan bases, just not compared to the average P5 school. There's money in broadcasting their games, just not as much as in the P5. It's not like anyone, other than a few delusional G5 fans, think the G5 schools have any shot at making the playoff and really making noise. So I don't see how they're hurt by creating their own identity.

You could even grant the G5 winner a spot in the NY6 which would mean they lose nothing from a monetary and exposure standpoint. How much more interesting would a G5 tournament be if you knew the winner was going to a NY6 bowl rather than just a poll selecting "the best."

(06-03-2016 11:01 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 08:16 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 09:46 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(05-31-2016 09:04 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I never posted very much over there, but on one occasion I decided to post a wild idea, as I am prone to do, on how the G5 might gain some traction and additional revenue by creating their own playoff. It wasn't really that original of an idea. I'd heard it before, I just thought I would post it over there and get some thoughts.

One aspect of the plan was that the G5 would create its own division and crown it's own national champion. Now the money wouldn't have been equivalent to what the P5 brings down, but I was genuinely suggesting a way I thought that G5 teams might separate themselves and gain greater exposure. Of course, I could have been wrong about the whole idea, but it was a just a thought and it was presented politely, not a hint of condescension.

Well, I got skewered three ways to Sunday. Half the posts in response were shots at Bama for losing to Ole Miss...because that was so relevant to the conversation. Anyway, I didn't post much after that and haven't even been back in quite a while. I didn't see the point of dealing with such hostility.

That is a worthwhile discussion but I don't think that it will happen. It's one that I thought about myself. In doing so the G5 would separate themselves from the P5 & they are fighting like heck to be seen as being equal to the P5. Also in having their own tournament would likely cause the G5 to forfeit the CFP $$$.

Do you care about the DII Championship? Most people don't, which is why the G5 isn't interested in being separated from the P5. The current situation is far more tolerable than being cast into irrelevancy.

I don't think that's a fair comparison. Even the FCS playoffs are getting on TV these days. All the minor bowls including G5 teams are on TV. How many more people would watch if you threw in the element of the one and done playoff?

G5 schools have decent sized fan bases, just not compared to the average P5 school. There's money in broadcasting their games, just not as much as in the P5. It's not like anyone, other than a few delusional G5 fans, think the G5 schools have any shot at making the playoff and really making noise. So I don't see how they're hurt by creating their own identity.

You could even grant the G5 winner a spot in the NY6 which would mean they lose nothing from a monetary and exposure standpoint. How much more interesting would a G5 tournament be if you knew the winner was going to a NY6 bowl rather than just a poll selecting "the best."

I think it's possible for a G5 to make the CFP & win a game. Is that making noise? It's remote but possible. One of the biggest differences between a P5 team & the top G5 team is depth. That can be overcome to pull off an upset but it would be nearly impossible to do it in back to back games against that level of competition.

If the CFP are expanded than perhaps a 4 team G5 playoff to select an auto qualifier would be appealing. As someone said, it would be better than a poll or a committee doing the selecting.

(06-04-2016 03:44 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 11:01 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(06-03-2016 08:16 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(06-02-2016 09:46 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(05-31-2016 09:04 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I never posted very much over there, but on one occasion I decided to post a wild idea, as I am prone to do, on how the G5 might gain some traction and additional revenue by creating their own playoff. It wasn't really that original of an idea. I'd heard it before, I just thought I would post it over there and get some thoughts.

One aspect of the plan was that the G5 would create its own division and crown it's own national champion. Now the money wouldn't have been equivalent to what the P5 brings down, but I was genuinely suggesting a way I thought that G5 teams might separate themselves and gain greater exposure. Of course, I could have been wrong about the whole idea, but it was a just a thought and it was presented politely, not a hint of condescension.

Well, I got skewered three ways to Sunday. Half the posts in response were shots at Bama for losing to Ole Miss...because that was so relevant to the conversation. Anyway, I didn't post much after that and haven't even been back in quite a while. I didn't see the point of dealing with such hostility.

That is a worthwhile discussion but I don't think that it will happen. It's one that I thought about myself. In doing so the G5 would separate themselves from the P5 & they are fighting like heck to be seen as being equal to the P5. Also in having their own tournament would likely cause the G5 to forfeit the CFP $$$.

Do you care about the DII Championship? Most people don't, which is why the G5 isn't interested in being separated from the P5. The current situation is far more tolerable than being cast into irrelevancy.

I don't think that's a fair comparison. Even the FCS playoffs are getting on TV these days. All the minor bowls including G5 teams are on TV. How many more people would watch if you threw in the element of the one and done playoff?

G5 schools have decent sized fan bases, just not compared to the average P5 school. There's money in broadcasting their games, just not as much as in the P5. It's not like anyone, other than a few delusional G5 fans, think the G5 schools have any shot at making the playoff and really making noise. So I don't see how they're hurt by creating their own identity.

You could even grant the G5 winner a spot in the NY6 which would mean they lose nothing from a monetary and exposure standpoint. How much more interesting would a G5 tournament be if you knew the winner was going to a NY6 bowl rather than just a poll selecting "the best."

I think it's possible for a G5 to make the CFP & win a game. Is that making noise? It's remote but possible. One of the biggest differences between a P5 team & the top G5 team is depth. That can be overcome to pull off an upset but it would be nearly impossible to do it in back to back games against that level of competition.

If the CFP are expanded than perhaps a 4 team G5 playoff to select an auto qualifier would be appealing. As someone said, it would be better than a poll or a committee doing the selecting.

We just need two tiers in the FBS and they need to be separate totally IMO. And nobody should have an FCS school on the payday except maybe as a substitute for the Spring Game.

I agree with the part about excluding the FCS schools.

In my dream scenario, P5 plays only P5. Of course, I would slightly expand the P5 to include a few more marginally competitive programs. I'm not sure I see that happening anytime soon though. The appetite for more home games and easy wins would seem to give weight towards including a few G5s every year. Not to mention the flexibility it offers to the schedule.

If there were 2 different tiers, however, I would structure things like this. This is assuming the Big 12 sticks around.

1. P5 would play mostly each other. Keep the CFP as is.

2. G5 would naturally play most each other as well. The top 4 conference champions from among the group are selected to be in a postseason playoff. The winner gets a slot in the NY6.

3. Clear qualifications for entering the P5 from the G5.

4. Broadcast partnerships...take a P5 league like the SEC and partner them with the AAC for example. Of course, this would have to be a mutual agreement. The point being that AAC games could be shown on the SECN. You could have Thur and Fri football games for example from the AAC and leave the prime spots on Sat for the SEC naturally. Maybe throw in a few basketball games too. There should be higher ratings for time slots not filled with SEC games. And theoretically more subscriptions from unique viewers during the era of streaming. The two leagues could split the new revenue stream. Everyone should make a little more money with no additional costs.

BIG
Kansas
Iowa State
UConn
Buffalo

ACC
West Virginia
Temple
Navy/Georgetown
Cincinnati
Texas* (ND Deal)

SEC
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
TCU
East Carolina

PAC-12
New Mexico
Texas Tech
Houston
Rice

Big Something with best of the rest of UCF, South Florida, Southern Miss, Memphis, SMU, Baylor, Tulsa, Army, Air Force, Boise State, BYU, etc.
All Five would still be Power Conferences. American conference dies. leaving the CUSA and SBC to merge. MAC stays put, MWC is a smaller conference. The three lower conferences lose G5 spot in New Years 6. Playoff Expands to 8 with all conference champions getting a spot plus 3 at larges.

I sse some good ideas here.
However i think that any college school that has a football team should be able to have a chance to play for a national championship how evermote that chance mybe.
I dont care if its an fcs or whatever level that team my come from. If they were that good then let it happen