Quote:Nelson needs a transplant and his 28-year-old son Austin is a match. Initially, Charles Nelson was told the surgery at University Hospital in San Antonio would be covered under the VA’s Choice Program – because he lives more than 40-miles from a VA transplant facility. His family just found out, Choice won’t cover the surgery – because the donor is not a veteran.

"So, I said, okay all we need to do is get the money for my son to go through his transplant,” explained his wife, Tamara Nelson. “We'll try to raise money or whatever to do that. And, they (VA) said no - that they won't cover my husband or him (son), because it's really kind of one surgery."

But, that hasn’t stopped her from trying to fight the red tape.

"I'm already having to deal with a sick husband - that my son is also going to be donating to him,” said Tamara Nelson. “But, not only that, I'm also having to fight the government to make this happen - which is disgusting. I mean it's bad."

http://www.fox7austin.com/news/local-new...7740-story

If you like the VA, you'll love single payer.

You have all these people gushing about how single-payer or single-provider (which is what I think most people actually mean when they say single-payer) saves money. This is how they save money. In reality, there isn't another way to do it.

But we have money for refugees and illegal immigrants.

Liberal America.

#DeathPanels

(05-26-2016 01:44 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If you like the VA, you'll love single payer.

You have all these people gushing about how single-payer or single-provider (which is what I think most people actually mean when they say single-payer) saves money. This is how they save money. In reality, there isn't another way to do it.

There is one more way...they can just arbitrarily declare you dead

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016/05/2...464256327/

Quote:Some 4,000 U.S. military veterans and their families stopped receiving benefits over the past five years after they were wrongly declared dead, the newest in a string of problems to emerge from the Department of Veterans Affairs.

The VA said benefits were mistakenly terminated for 4,201 veterans from 2011 to 2015 but subsequently reinstated. Just in 2015, benefits were incorrectly terminated for 1,025 veterans. The mistakes were largely due to employee error or wrongly interpreted data by the department's computers, the VA told U.S. Rep. David Jolly, R-Fla., after several veterans were wrongly declared dead in the Tampa area.

(05-26-2016 03:57 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  But we have money for refugees and illegal immigrants.

Liberal America.

VA has been ate up during Republican administrations, too.

(05-26-2016 04:25 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-26-2016 01:44 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If you like the VA, you'll love single payer.

You have all these people gushing about how single-payer or single-provider (which is what I think most people actually mean when they say single-payer) saves money. This is how they save money. In reality, there isn't another way to do it.

There is one more way...they can just arbitrarily declare you dead

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016/05/2...464256327/

Quote:Some 4,000 U.S. military veterans and their families stopped receiving benefits over the past five years after they were wrongly declared dead, the newest in a string of problems to emerge from the Department of Veterans Affairs.

The VA said benefits were mistakenly terminated for 4,201 veterans from 2011 to 2015 but subsequently reinstated. Just in 2015, benefits were incorrectly terminated for 1,025 veterans. The mistakes were largely due to employee error or wrongly interpreted data by the department's computers, the VA told U.S. Rep. David Jolly, R-Fla., after several veterans were wrongly declared dead in the Tampa area.

And I thought them screwing up my GI bill was bad ... my Dad intercepted a letter I wrote to Sen. Strom Thumond back in the day in which I jokingly threatened to blow up the nearest VA office given all the headaches they were causing me. And that's minor league, compared to what guys face getting medical care, etc.

We actually know a guy who was declared dead by VA. They got it fixed. He said he was pissed at first, then realized it was better they were wrong than right. Had a good sense of humor.

But here's the question to all those who blame the liberals and dems for the VA's faults. How do you fix it by lowering taxes? How do you fix it, period?

Americans should be ashamed of the job the V.A. does.

(05-26-2016 05:01 PM)gsu95 Wrote:  

(05-26-2016 04:25 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-26-2016 01:44 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If you like the VA, you'll love single payer.

You have all these people gushing about how single-payer or single-provider (which is what I think most people actually mean when they say single-payer) saves money. This is how they save money. In reality, there isn't another way to do it.

There is one more way...they can just arbitrarily declare you dead

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016/05/2...464256327/

Quote:Some 4,000 U.S. military veterans and their families stopped receiving benefits over the past five years after they were wrongly declared dead, the newest in a string of problems to emerge from the Department of Veterans Affairs.

The VA said benefits were mistakenly terminated for 4,201 veterans from 2011 to 2015 but subsequently reinstated. Just in 2015, benefits were incorrectly terminated for 1,025 veterans. The mistakes were largely due to employee error or wrongly interpreted data by the department's computers, the VA told U.S. Rep. David Jolly, R-Fla., after several veterans were wrongly declared dead in the Tampa area.

And I thought them screwing up my GI bill was bad ... my Dad intercepted a letter I wrote to Sen. Strom Thumond back in the day in which I jokingly threatened to blow up the nearest VA office given all the headaches they were causing me. And that's minor league, compared to what guys face getting medical care, etc.

We actually know a guy who was declared dead by VA. They got it fixed. He said he was pissed at first, then realized it was better they were wrong than right. Had a good sense of humor.

But here's the question to all those who blame the liberals and dems for the VA's faults. How do you fix it by lowering taxes? How do you fix it, period?

Burn it to the ******* ground or dont take funds away from it and give it to welfare.

(05-26-2016 05:16 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(05-26-2016 05:01 PM)gsu95 Wrote:  

(05-26-2016 04:25 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-26-2016 01:44 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If you like the VA, you'll love single payer.

You have all these people gushing about how single-payer or single-provider (which is what I think most people actually mean when they say single-payer) saves money. This is how they save money. In reality, there isn't another way to do it.

There is one more way...they can just arbitrarily declare you dead

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016/05/2...464256327/

Quote:Some 4,000 U.S. military veterans and their families stopped receiving benefits over the past five years after they were wrongly declared dead, the newest in a string of problems to emerge from the Department of Veterans Affairs.

The VA said benefits were mistakenly terminated for 4,201 veterans from 2011 to 2015 but subsequently reinstated. Just in 2015, benefits were incorrectly terminated for 1,025 veterans. The mistakes were largely due to employee error or wrongly interpreted data by the department's computers, the VA told U.S. Rep. David Jolly, R-Fla., after several veterans were wrongly declared dead in the Tampa area.

And I thought them screwing up my GI bill was bad ... my Dad intercepted a letter I wrote to Sen. Strom Thumond back in the day in which I jokingly threatened to blow up the nearest VA office given all the headaches they were causing me. And that's minor league, compared to what guys face getting medical care, etc.

We actually know a guy who was declared dead by VA. They got it fixed. He said he was pissed at first, then realized it was better they were wrong than right. Had a good sense of humor.

But here's the question to all those who blame the liberals and dems for the VA's faults. How do you fix it by lowering taxes? How do you fix it, period?

Burn it to the ******* ground or dont take funds away from it and give it to welfare.

That sounds like a good step 1 to me.

(05-26-2016 05:01 PM)gsu95 Wrote:  

(05-26-2016 04:25 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-26-2016 01:44 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If you like the VA, you'll love single payer.

You have all these people gushing about how single-payer or single-provider (which is what I think most people actually mean when they say single-payer) saves money. This is how they save money. In reality, there isn't another way to do it.

There is one more way...they can just arbitrarily declare you dead

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016/05/2...464256327/

Quote:Some 4,000 U.S. military veterans and their families stopped receiving benefits over the past five years after they were wrongly declared dead, the newest in a string of problems to emerge from the Department of Veterans Affairs.

The VA said benefits were mistakenly terminated for 4,201 veterans from 2011 to 2015 but subsequently reinstated. Just in 2015, benefits were incorrectly terminated for 1,025 veterans. The mistakes were largely due to employee error or wrongly interpreted data by the department's computers, the VA told U.S. Rep. David Jolly, R-Fla., after several veterans were wrongly declared dead in the Tampa area.

And I thought them screwing up my GI bill was bad ... my Dad intercepted a letter I wrote to Sen. Strom Thumond back in the day in which I jokingly threatened to blow up the nearest VA office given all the headaches they were causing me. And that's minor league, compared to what guys face getting medical care, etc.

We actually know a guy who was declared dead by VA. They got it fixed. He said he was pissed at first, then realized it was better they were wrong than right. Had a good sense of humor.

But here's the question to all those who blame the liberals and dems for the VA's faults. How do you fix it by lowering taxes? How do you fix it, period?

The level of taxation is completely irrelevant, and proven so by Obama. The amount of money coming into the treasury has never been higher, yet the level of incompetence at the VA has never been greater.

Many fixes are easy, but will cause liberals extreme butthurt.

First, I would outsource most of it out. Allow companies to run the system who can fire incompetent people. The government cant run d*ck. They have proven that with everything they run; schools, postal service, healthcare. So they just need to get out of that business.

The truth is that while the VA may have always had issues, Bush got the wait times down from where they were under Clinton. They have shot through the roof under Obama.

When you dont know what you are doing, getting handed more money isnt going to solve the problem.

(05-26-2016 05:01 PM)gsu95 Wrote:  But here's the question to all those who blame the liberals and dems for the VA's faults. How do you fix it by lowering taxes? How do you fix it, period?

The vast majority of the problems that the VA is having are due to crippling bureaucracy. and if there's one thing you leftist love it's bureaucratic BS.


Explain why the VA needs it's own separate law enforcement division with close to 3500 personnel that is essentially nothing more than a security force yet is the largest uniformed federal law enforcement agency. The BATFE only has around 5k personnel and they have a far wider range of law enforcement duties than hospital guards.

(05-26-2016 05:19 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-26-2016 05:01 PM)gsu95 Wrote:  But here's the question to all those who blame the liberals and dems for the VA's faults. How do you fix it by lowering taxes? How do you fix it, period?

The vast majority of the problems that the VA is having are due to crippling bureaucracy. and if there's one thing you leftist love it's bureaucratic BS.


Explain why the VA needs it's own separate law enforcement division with close to 3500 personnel that is essentially nothing more than a security force yet is the largest uniformed federal law enforcement agency. The BATFE only has around 5k personnel and they have a far wider range of law enforcement duties than hospital guards.

Job creation.

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(05-26-2016 05:28 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(05-26-2016 05:19 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-26-2016 05:01 PM)gsu95 Wrote:  But here's the question to all those who blame the liberals and dems for the VA's faults. How do you fix it by lowering taxes? How do you fix it, period?

The vast majority of the problems that the VA is having are due to crippling bureaucracy. and if there's one thing you leftist love it's bureaucratic BS.


Explain why the VA needs it's own separate law enforcement division with close to 3500 personnel that is essentially nothing more than a security force yet is the largest uniformed federal law enforcement agency. The BATFE only has around 5k personnel and they have a far wider range of law enforcement duties than hospital guards.

Job creation.

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They aren't the only ones doing it either.

The National Institute of Standards and Testing, The National Institutes of Health, the Smithsonian, and the National Zoo all have separate law enforcement divisions.

I wish y'all could see the medical records that come from the VA and the pointless bs that they include in them. I'll get 10-15 pages of medical records with 1 lab result per page that I get to sort through