Quote:Brett McMurphy
‏@McMurphyESPN

Baylor dismisses coach Art Briles, source told @ESPN. Briles informed players via text, source said. Announcement expected at noon ET

8:44 AM - 26 May 2016

That is Baylor's business, to make that decision. (If it indeed turns out to be true)

The NCAA has absolutely no rightful place to then levy further sanctions against players and (when hired) new coaches & AD, who had nothing to do with the transgressions of previous people. If the NCAA tries that, Baylor ought to sue them. And I hope Baylor wins, in that case.

(05-26-2016 11:06 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  That is Baylor's business, to make that decision. (If it indeed turns out to be true)

The NCAA has absolutely no rightful place to then levy further sanctions against players and (when hired) new coaches & AD, who had nothing to do with the transgressions of previous people. If the NCAA tries that, Baylor ought to sue them. And I hope Baylor wins, in that case.

Uh I don't agree. The precedent you're then setting is that its okay to hide all of this because you wont get in trouble if you fire your coach.

Wrong.

If the coach cheats NCAA rules (recruiting, rules of the game, improper benefits), then the NCAA absolutely has the right to levy sanctions.

This has nothing to do with NCAA rules. These are criminal charges.

@CraigSmoak: Baylor expected to release announcement at 11am dismissing HC Art Briles.


‏@McMurphyESPN: Baylor dismisses coach Art Briles, source told @ESPN. Briles informed players via text, source said. Announcement expected at noon ET

(05-26-2016 11:06 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  That is Baylor's business, to make that decision. (If it indeed turns out to be true)

The NCAA has absolutely no rightful place to then levy further sanctions against players and (when hired) new coaches & AD, who had nothing to do with the transgressions of previous people. If the NCAA tries that, Baylor ought to sue them. And I hope Baylor wins, in that case.

Lack of institutional control. The NCAA can indeed hammer them if it so chooses.

(05-26-2016 11:08 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(05-26-2016 11:06 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  That is Baylor's business, to make that decision. (If it indeed turns out to be true)

The NCAA has absolutely no rightful place to then levy further sanctions against players and (when hired) new coaches & AD, who had nothing to do with the transgressions of previous people. If the NCAA tries that, Baylor ought to sue them. And I hope Baylor wins, in that case.

Uh I don't agree. The precedent you're then setting is that its okay to hide all of this because you wont get in trouble if you fire your coach.

The NCAA should have the discretion to punish the school, but I would agree that the other players shouldn't suffer the consequences. Those players ought to be freed from any scholarship commitments and allowed to move elsewhere immediately in the event that there are sanctions (without the 1-year transfer waiting period).

(05-26-2016 11:14 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(05-26-2016 11:08 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(05-26-2016 11:06 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  That is Baylor's business, to make that decision. (If it indeed turns out to be true)

The NCAA has absolutely no rightful place to then levy further sanctions against players and (when hired) new coaches & AD, who had nothing to do with the transgressions of previous people. If the NCAA tries that, Baylor ought to sue them. And I hope Baylor wins, in that case.

Uh I don't agree. The precedent you're then setting is that its okay to hide all of this because you wont get in trouble if you fire your coach.

The NCAA should have the discretion to punish the school, but I would agree that the other players shouldn't suffer the consequences. Those players ought to be freed from any scholarship commitments and allowed to move elsewhere immediately in the event that there are sanctions (without the 1-year transfer waiting period).

Agreed.

Terry,

A made up, meaningless, unenforceable "rule", designed to let the NCAA make a power grab when it determines the moon cycle is right. That's what the NCAA tried to use against Penn St, and they got smashed. Same would happen here, if they didn't learn their lesson.

(05-26-2016 11:09 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Wrong.

If the coach cheats NCAA rules (recruiting, rules of the game, improper benefits), then the NCAA absolutely has the right to levy sanctions.

This has nothing to do with NCAA rules. These are criminal charges.

Investigations are in the beginning stages... Wouldn't surprise me if they stumble with so much trash.

For example, if Art Briles offered improper benefits to keep players quiet, then the NCAA has a seat at the table.

Otherwise, the NCAA has wait outside while adults are talking.

(05-26-2016 11:12 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-26-2016 11:06 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  That is Baylor's business, to make that decision. (If it indeed turns out to be true)

The NCAA has absolutely no rightful place to then levy further sanctions against players and (when hired) new coaches & AD, who had nothing to do with the transgressions of previous people. If the NCAA tries that, Baylor ought to sue them. And I hope Baylor wins, in that case.

Lack of institutional control. The NCAA can indeed hammer them if it so chooses.

If I understand the allegations correctly, the fact that the incidents were not reported to the university also means that Baylor violated Title IX.

(05-26-2016 11:18 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  For example, if Art Briles offered improper benefits to keep players quiet, then the NCAA has a seat at the table.

Otherwise, the NCAA has wait outside while adults are talking.

Should Art Briles be arrested?

To a nicer guy it couldn't happen.

(05-26-2016 11:06 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  That is Baylor's business, to make that decision. (If it indeed turns out to be true)

The NCAA has absolutely no rightful place to then levy further sanctions against players and (when hired) new coaches & AD, who had nothing to do with the transgressions of previous people. If the NCAA tries that, Baylor ought to sue them. And I hope Baylor wins, in that case.

Wrong, plenty of reason and rules to further punish Baylor - both the NCAA and the DOE.

(05-26-2016 11:18 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  For example, if Art Briles offered improper benefits to keep players quiet, then the NCAA has a seat at the table.

Otherwise, the NCAA has wait outside while adults are talking.

The NCAA ARE the adults. Baylor clearly isn't - from the Board of Regents on down.

@MWatkinsTrib
BREAKING: Baylor Athletic Director Ian McCaw has been "sanctioned and placed on probation."

Starr is out as president, too. From the same reporter:

Quote:Matthew Watkins ‏@MWatkinsTrib 9m

BREAKING: Baylor announces President Starr will no longer be president. Transitioning to chancellor.

Matthew Watkins ‏@MWatkinsTrib 8m

Dr. David Garland named interim president of Baylor.

Matthew Watkins ‏@MWatkinsTrib 8m

Officially, Briles has been "suspended with intent to terminate."

(05-26-2016 11:06 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  That is Baylor's business, to make that decision. (If it indeed turns out to be true)

The NCAA has absolutely no rightful place to then levy further sanctions against players and (when hired) new coaches & AD, who had nothing to do with the transgressions of previous people. If the NCAA tries that, Baylor ought to sue them. And I hope Baylor wins, in that case.

In an ideal world teams could be trusted to police themselves... but then, in an ideal world they would never do anything like this in the first place, so toss that idea right out the window!