(05-30-2016 06:20 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Johnson is not a serious candidate. Even he knows it.

Until someone with real gravitational pull decides to run as a Libertarian, the Gary Johnsons of the world will continue to grab up 1 or 2 percentage points of the disaffected and will be a waste of time.

My favorite quote of the week about the LP national convention:

Quote:The Libertarian party is a reminder that no one truly grows out of Dungeons and Dragons...it’s the political equivalent of the cantina scene from Star Wars.

d&d.....that was apropos worthy!

libertarians = nerds that think the meek inherits with the toss of a 20 sided die....

(05-30-2016 11:51 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  

(05-30-2016 09:25 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(05-30-2016 09:22 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  Not denying the LP has some weirdos.. but funny how that wacky group nominated a couple successful, fiscally conservative governors while y'all got stuck with Donald effin Trump.

You could do worse than a billionaire that actually has a chance of winning.

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Neither of those qualities have any bearing on his ability to be a good president.

vote for the nm aloof guy.....or stay home and spank it red/purple.....either result is the same...

and btw, what is a "good president"?

(05-31-2016 12:08 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(05-30-2016 11:51 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  

(05-30-2016 09:25 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(05-30-2016 09:22 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  Not denying the LP has some weirdos.. but funny how that wacky group nominated a couple successful, fiscally conservative governors while y'all got stuck with Donald effin Trump.

You could do worse than a billionaire that actually has a chance of winning.

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Neither of those qualities have any bearing on his ability to be a good president.

vote for the nm aloof guy.....or stay home and spank it red/purple.....either result is the same...

and btw, what is a "good president"?

One who reduces the scope of the federal government, stops our acceleration towards fiscal disaster, respects our civil liberties, stops needless foreign intervention.

That's my opinion, simplified. There are other good faith opinions, however, "he has a lot of money and he might win" doesn't really mean anything.

(05-31-2016 12:18 AM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  

(05-31-2016 12:08 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(05-30-2016 11:51 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  

(05-30-2016 09:25 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(05-30-2016 09:22 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  Not denying the LP has some weirdos.. but funny how that wacky group nominated a couple successful, fiscally conservative governors while y'all got stuck with Donald effin Trump.

You could do worse than a billionaire that actually has a chance of winning.

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Neither of those qualities have any bearing on his ability to be a good president.

vote for the nm aloof guy.....or stay home and spank it red/purple.....either result is the same...

and btw, what is a "good president"?

One who reduces the scope of the federal government, stops our acceleration towards fiscal disaster, respects our civil liberties, stops needless foreign intervention.

That's my opinion, simplified. There are other good faith opinions, however, "he has a lot of money and he might win" doesn't really mean anything.

take this op-ed into acct....

IMO, Ike was the last one that was "great"....jfk, like clinton, were accommodating as representatives from the blue side....as was reagan and bush sr on the fiscal red side....

the rest since Ike have been dogshite....

yet here we are....I've had to recreate my life b/c of the two party policy blues that continue to gain traction...

I'm capable....many are not....so fk'n what....comme ci, comme ça

therein lies the flaws within the blue camp as it exists today......zero incentive to get up off ones arse....so many decades of failed policy is the residual effect....

nobody, and I mean nobody in the media, has or had a clue what they are talking about when it comes to Trump and what he could do at 'that' helm....those stupid fk'rs are dumber than a rock....

what some people do know, is that he will shake things up the status quo.....he's already redefined why line 1a exists....and I came with it before he announced.....

so to go full circle, isn't that what the third (tea) libertard party really wants?

y'all crack me up with 'talking points of bs'....such is being a spoiled human.....

(05-30-2016 10:41 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  It's hard to take them serious when one of their chairman candidates is allowed to stand on stage and strip down to a thong. They need to rein in the crazies if that want to grow the party.

My wife pretty much watched the entire convention.. I happened to catch it when that stupid action occurred.

I then told my wife... well, if the chair candidates after this have anything good to say, they just f'd up, because I won't be watching any of them.


Btw... here's another problem I see with the LP. I don't remember the elderly black gentleman that was a VP candidate before he dropped out, but immediately after his speech (which was pretty impressive for a VP candidate), TWO people challenged his and Weld's "libertarian credentials", as they went after them for being registered Republicans.

Even if they were registered as Republicans, you'd THINK they'd welcome them as LP candidates if they believe in a similar philosophy. But no, it was "He's a *ICK* Republican, we don't want him around us... we might get his cooties!"

It was reported that when Johnson said he would have signed the Civil Rights Act, he was booed.

Okey dokey.

This election is a good test. If an LP ticket with experienced, popular ex-governors don't get more than a few percentage points against unpopular Trump and Hillary, then the case is definitely made... Guys like Johnson and Weld should stay in the GOP and work with the Amash and Paul types of the party to help promote the "classical liberal" wing from within.

It would be an amicable divorce of sorts. The LP would never consider a moderate "just libertarian-ish" candidate again, and vice-versa. Back to purity.

Austin Peterson knows this and has the inside track to LP's 2020.

(05-31-2016 07:55 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  This election is a good test. If an LP ticket with experienced, popular ex-governors don't get more than a few percentage points against unpopular Trump and Hillary, then the case is definitely made... Guys like Johnson and Weld should stay in the GOP and work with the Amash and Paul types of the party to help promote the "classical liberal" wing from within.

It would be an amicable divorce of sorts. The LP would never consider a moderate "just libertarian-ish" candidate again, and vice-versa. Back to purity.

Austin Peterson knows this and has the inside track to LP's 2020.

Maybe. I understand a lot of people dislike him for his personality. Understandable as he comes off as arrogant and childish.

(05-31-2016 07:55 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  This election is a good test. If an LP ticket with experienced, popular ex-governors don't get more than a few percentage points against unpopular Trump and Hillary, then the case is definitely made... Guys like Johnson and Weld should stay in the GOP and work with the Amash and Paul types of the party to help promote the "classical liberal" wing from within.
It would be an amicable divorce of sorts. The LP would never consider a moderate "just libertarian-ish" candidate again, and vice-versa. Back to purity.

If the republican party would move that way, I would be a republican. Hell, if the democrats moved that way, I would be a democrat. But democrats aren't, so republicans are the only party with a legitimate opportunity to do so. Thus far, they have refused. As long as they continue to refuse, I will continue to vote libertarian. I don't see it as a wasted vote at all. The more people who vote libertarian, the more like republicans are to move in that direction. And long term, that seems to me to be the only viable alternative to save the country.