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RE: Does Baylor football become a dumpster fire again if Briles is let go?
KNIGHTTIME,
It's not. No one said that. That's your misunderstanding.
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RE: Does Baylor football become a dumpster fire again if Briles is let go?
(05-25-2016 12:21 PM)MplsBison Wrote: The NCAA has nothing to do with it.
If crimes were committed, then charges will be brought and the criminal justice system will play out.
If Baylor feels it needs to let Briles, the AD, etc go, then that is their business.
If businesses choose to no longer associate with Baylor, that is their business.
The NCAA has no damn seat at the table in this case, which is correct! No one cheated the rules of the game, no one cheated in recruiting, no one cheated grades, etc. THAT's when the NCAA has a place. If they try some BS power grab, with sanctions, fines, etc., then sue their asses. And I hope the NCAA loses in that case, big time!
While I disagree with this, I commend you for being remarkably consistent. You said the same thing about Penn State.
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RE: Does Baylor football become a dumpster fire again if Briles is let go?
Similar situations, potentially, where crimes occurred and the NCAA wanted to pretend it was the police, judge and jury, rolled into one. Hopefully it learned its lesson with Penn State.
It had no business punishing student athletes that had nothing to do with the crimes then ... same is true now.
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RE: Does Baylor football become a dumpster fire again if Briles is let go?
(05-25-2016 12:47 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote: (05-25-2016 11:58 AM)cuseroc Wrote: (05-25-2016 11:46 AM)krup Wrote: (05-25-2016 11:33 AM)cuseroc Wrote: (05-25-2016 10:54 AM)jaredf29 Wrote: I'm sure the likes of Syracuse & South Carolina didn't offer him large amounts of money. Any of these jobs would have.
http://www.si.com/college-football/2016/...lay-helton
I never heard anything about Syracuse going after Herman. Syracuse's main target was always Babers, and they had a deal in place with Babers a week before it was announced.
The revisionist history is strong here.
http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootball/i...idate.html
Really? This is what a reporter was speculating. There was similar speculating about the Oregon asst coach. Ash withdrew his name because SU went with Babers, So Ash took the Rutgers job. WHy would SU take another chance on an assistant, when they could land a head coach who has had great success? Especially since the last 2 assistants that SU hired failed miserably.
Heres an article from 3 days before that article written by the same writer speculating that UCF hired Babers right from underneath Syracuse's nose.
UCF Hires SU's coach
It was revealed that Babers had agreed to take the SU job that Tuesday. That was the day that it was announced that UCF had hired Frost, which was the day after Babers shot down the rumors that he accepted the UCF job.. Syracuse had agreed to wait until that Friday after the MAC Championship to announce Babers hiring. The official announcement came the next day on Saturday. Babers was SU's target from the beginning, no matter what media speculations reported.
Syracuse offered Frost $1.3 million and we gave him $1.7 million. Barbers was your backup. Still a good hire though. New York doesn't have much D1 talent so I could see why Frost passed.
why are people arguing over irrelevant football schools? Syracuse and Rutgers are garbage when it comes to football.
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RE: Does Baylor football become a dumpster fire again if Briles is let go?
(05-25-2016 01:21 PM)cuseroc Wrote: (05-25-2016 01:20 PM)jaredf29 Wrote: (05-25-2016 12:56 PM)cuseroc Wrote: (05-25-2016 12:47 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote: (05-25-2016 11:58 AM)cuseroc Wrote: Really? This is what a reporter was speculating. There was similar speculating about the Oregon asst coach. Ash withdrew his name because SU went with Babers, So Ash took the Rutgers job. WHy would SU take another chance on an assistant, when they could land a head coach who has had great success? Especially since the last 2 assistants that SU hired failed miserably.
Heres an article from 3 days before that article written by the same writer speculating that UCF hired Babers right from underneath Syracuse's nose.
UCF Hires SU's coach
It was revealed that Babers had agreed to take the SU job that Tuesday. That was the day that it was announced that UCF had hired Frost, which was the day after Babers shot down the rumors that he accepted the UCF job.. Syracuse had agreed to wait until that Friday after the MAC Championship to announce Babers hiring. The official announcement came the next day on Saturday. Babers was SU's target from the beginning, no matter what media speculations reported.
Syracuse offered Frost $1.3 million and we gave him $1.7 million. Barbers was your backup. Still a good hire though. New York doesn't have much D1 talent so I could see why Frost passed.
Dude, Frost didn't pass on SU. SU passed on Frost. Remember when it was reported that UCF hired Babers away from Syracuse? Remember when Babers shot down those rumors? Then next thing you know Frost was hired by UCF. whiles SU had got Babers at $2.5 million. The SU AD said those reports regarding Frost and SU were not correct.
That was misreported Frost was the top candidate all along.
So then, why are they paying Babers $2.5 million if they only offered Frost $1.3 million?
Idk you're probably right. I don't think Frost was that interested in Syracuse, so who passed on who isn't clear. I do know that Frost was the top candidate at UCF the whole time, and the Babers announcement was obviously a flop.
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Does Baylor football become a dumpster fire again if Briles is let go?
(05-24-2016 10:49 PM)BattleCougarRed_88 Wrote: (05-24-2016 05:48 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: (05-24-2016 05:46 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: Yes
+1. Yes.
(05-24-2016 10:44 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote: (05-24-2016 05:26 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote: While the title of the thread seems a bit over the top to me, I can see Baylor staying competitive. It will take another good hire, but those are out there and the school has invested.
In addition, Baylor (no offense to Baylor fans out there) seems to be likely to be left out of the next realignment shift. What that means is a likely landing spot in the AAC or MWC. If that is the case, Baylor may be well positioned to beat up on weaker competition as long as they have p5 resources. That means they will consistently be in the running for the G5 Big 6 game slot. Could be pretty good for branding, kind of a Boise State role.
Of course they could also move with Texas, Tech, and TCU to a new western ACC division.
Either way, I think they will be fine as long as their OOC attracts crowds.
Do you mean to imply that Baylor was NOT a dumpster fire prior to Art Briles?
Baylor was always mediocre before Art Briles, before the Big 12.
Immediately before Briles BU was bad.
In the final 15 years of the SWC the league winning % for BU and UH was neck and neck. IIRC the Bears held a slight edge. If we were mediocre so were y'all.
If there was a coverup and evidence that the coach was involved then by all means throw money at a hot coaching prospect who can recruit in TX. Herman probably holds out for a bigger job but Morris, Fritz, Stitt, Montgomery, and Babers all could potentially be options if it came to it.
Right now the most honest answer is we don't know who at BU is at fault, we don't know if there even is a coverup or simply an inept title nine department.
Hopefully the full report comes out, any clearly guilty are dealt with, and most importantly we see policy changes at BU and across the nation to address this issue that sorely needs to be given more attention.
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RE: Does Baylor football become a dumpster fire again if Briles is let go?
Baylor 14 - Houston 13
Baylor may need to make some serious changes at the top of the school. Their law school was busted gaming rankings system by BSing test scores and GPAs not all that long ago.
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RE: Does Baylor football become a dumpster fire again if Briles is let go?
(05-25-2016 04:00 PM)1845 Bear Wrote: (05-24-2016 10:49 PM)BattleCougarRed_88 Wrote: (05-24-2016 05:48 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: (05-24-2016 05:46 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: Yes
+1. Yes.
(05-24-2016 10:44 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote: (05-24-2016 05:26 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote: While the title of the thread seems a bit over the top to me, I can see Baylor staying competitive. It will take another good hire, but those are out there and the school has invested.
In addition, Baylor (no offense to Baylor fans out there) seems to be likely to be left out of the next realignment shift. What that means is a likely landing spot in the AAC or MWC. If that is the case, Baylor may be well positioned to beat up on weaker competition as long as they have p5 resources. That means they will consistently be in the running for the G5 Big 6 game slot. Could be pretty good for branding, kind of a Boise State role.
Of course they could also move with Texas, Tech, and TCU to a new western ACC division.
Either way, I think they will be fine as long as their OOC attracts crowds.
Do you mean to imply that Baylor was NOT a dumpster fire prior to Art Briles?
Baylor was always mediocre before Art Briles, before the Big 12.
Immediately before Briles BU was bad.
In the final 15 years of the SWC the league winning % for BU and UH was neck and neck. IIRC the Bears held a slight edge. If we were mediocre so were y'all.
If there was a coverup and evidence that the coach was involved then by all means throw money at a hot coaching prospect who can recruit in TX. Herman probably holds out for a bigger job but Morris, Fritz, Stitt, Montgomery, and Babers all could potentially be options if it came to it.
Right now the most honest answer is we don't know who at BU is at fault, we don't know if there even is a coverup or simply an inept title nine department.
Hopefully the full report comes out, any clearly guilty are dealt with, and most importantly we see policy changes at BU and across the nation to address this issue that sorely needs to be given more attention.
As CornellCoog said at another forum regarding Baylor;
f Baylor is found guilty of openly and willingly violating federal civil rights laws established under Title IX, they'll be up **** creek. . . . . The school could potentially lose federal funding for things like pell grants and research dollars.
Baylor will be the perfect example school to be punished. Universities have ignored rape for far too long and the wrath is coming. Can you imagine a President Clinton with the chance to have her attorney general take Ken Starr's campus down? That's likely the real reason he was the first to get the boot but it won't matter. Baylor is in deep ****.
And I quite agree with this.
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RE: Does Baylor football become a dumpster fire again if Briles is let go?
(05-25-2016 10:00 AM)MplsBison Wrote: Briles came from Houston, correct?
Just hire the current Houston guy. He seems to be doing pretty well there.
I thought of this too...
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RE: Does Baylor football become a dumpster fire again if Briles is let go?
(05-25-2016 05:03 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote: (05-25-2016 10:00 AM)MplsBison Wrote: Briles came from Houston, correct?
Just hire the current Houston guy. He seems to be doing pretty well there.
I thought of this too...
I really doubt he would take that dumpsterfire of a job at Baylor. If he leaves, I bet my money it would be for Texas.
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RE: Does Baylor football become a dumpster fire again if Briles is let go?
(05-25-2016 03:13 PM)jaredf29 Wrote: (05-25-2016 01:21 PM)cuseroc Wrote: (05-25-2016 01:20 PM)jaredf29 Wrote: (05-25-2016 12:56 PM)cuseroc Wrote: (05-25-2016 12:47 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote: Syracuse offered Frost $1.3 million and we gave him $1.7 million. Barbers was your backup. Still a good hire though. New York doesn't have much D1 talent so I could see why Frost passed.
Dude, Frost didn't pass on SU. SU passed on Frost. Remember when it was reported that UCF hired Babers away from Syracuse? Remember when Babers shot down those rumors? Then next thing you know Frost was hired by UCF. whiles SU had got Babers at $2.5 million. The SU AD said those reports regarding Frost and SU were not correct.
That was misreported Frost was the top candidate all along.
So then, why are they paying Babers $2.5 million if they only offered Frost $1.3 million?
Idk you're probably right. I don't think Frost was that interested in Syracuse, so who passed on who isn't clear. I do know that Frost was the top candidate at UCF the whole time, and the Babers announcement was obviously a flop.
Frost was offered $1.3 million at Syracuse. It is really tough to win at Syracuse with little talent in the area.
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RE: Does Baylor football become a dumpster fire again if Briles is let go?
(05-25-2016 09:57 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote: (05-25-2016 03:13 PM)jaredf29 Wrote: (05-25-2016 01:21 PM)cuseroc Wrote: (05-25-2016 01:20 PM)jaredf29 Wrote: (05-25-2016 12:56 PM)cuseroc Wrote: Dude, Frost didn't pass on SU. SU passed on Frost. Remember when it was reported that UCF hired Babers away from Syracuse? Remember when Babers shot down those rumors? Then next thing you know Frost was hired by UCF. whiles SU had got Babers at $2.5 million. The SU AD said those reports regarding Frost and SU were not correct.
That was misreported Frost was the top candidate all along.
So then, why are they paying Babers $2.5 million if they only offered Frost $1.3 million?
Idk you're probably right. I don't think Frost was that interested in Syracuse, so who passed on who isn't clear. I do know that Frost was the top candidate at UCF the whole time, and the Babers announcement was obviously a flop.
Frost was offered $1.3 million at Syracuse. It is really tough to win at Syracuse with little talent in the area.
We've done alright in the past
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RE: Does Baylor football become a dumpster fire again if Briles is let go?
(05-25-2016 02:58 PM)Spinal070508 Wrote: why are people arguing over irrelevant football schools? Syracuse and Rutgers are garbage when it comes to football.
CFB is cyclic. Alabama went 3-8 in 2000.
Syracuse, though, has a a good coach and a good history.
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RE: Does Baylor football become a dumpster fire again if Briles is let go?
(05-25-2016 03:13 PM)jaredf29 Wrote: ...the Babers announcement was obviously a flop.
What do you mean? It was quite well received.
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RE: Does Baylor football become a dumpster fire again if Briles is let go?
(05-25-2016 12:28 PM)cuseroc Wrote: (05-25-2016 12:13 PM)krup Wrote: Maybe because a coordinator from a national championship team might have a better chance recruiting decent players to a geographic area without any HS talent of its own than a MAC coach who never won a conference championship or FCS quarterfinal game?
Ash spurned SU and they settled for Babers, deal with it.
You have to be kidding. SU had already tried an assistant from national champion USC who failed miserably. So if Ash spurned SU, why did he get the Rutgers job after SU hired Babers? The then SU AD, said at the press conference, with Babers present, that they had a deal in place but had to wait to announce it because Babers didn't want that interfere with his MAC Championship game. Babers was announced December 5th and Ash was announced December 7. He withdrew his name from the Syracuse job on Dec, 2nd. This is common practice for candidates to withdraw their names when they don't get the job. If he spurned SU to take the Rutgers job, then why did it take five more days for him to announce his hiring at Rutgers. And why was Syracuse able to announce the hiring of Babers before Rutgers was able to announce the hiring of Ash?
I know. The Ash rumor caused a riot on the Syracuse sports boards. He would have been the least popular coach-to-be in Syracuse football history. That's a bold move for a first year AD with aspirations to jump to another school.
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RE: Does Baylor football become a dumpster fire again if Briles is let go?
(05-26-2016 03:59 AM)nzmorange Wrote: (05-25-2016 03:13 PM)jaredf29 Wrote: ...the Babers announcement was obviously a flop.
What do you mean? It was quite well received.
Lol not by Babers.
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RE: Does Baylor football become a dumpster fire again if Briles is let go?
(05-26-2016 08:12 AM)jaredf29 Wrote: (05-26-2016 03:59 AM)nzmorange Wrote: (05-25-2016 03:13 PM)jaredf29 Wrote: ...the Babers announcement was obviously a flop.
What do you mean? It was quite well received.
Lol not by Babers.
Mizzou disagrees.
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Re: Does Baylor football become a dumpster fire again if Briles is let go?
Again? What have they won? They were blown out by UCF. They choked it away last year.
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RE: Does Baylor football become a dumpster fire again if Briles is let go?
Sorry this isn't exactly related, didn't think it deserved its own thread: http://www.startribune.com/source-gopher...380899191/
So here you go, another scandalous cover-up job by a college coach.
Except, in this case, the coach did it right, in my opinion. It will be sad if this is how J meets his end. Another case of the media craving power and attention and loving the feeling that it can topple people.
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RE: Does Baylor football become a dumpster fire again if Briles is let go?
The answer is quite possibly.
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