(05-26-2016 12:54 PM)HuskyHawk Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:17 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 11:23 AM)HuskyHawk Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 04:12 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 01:03 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  

Exactly. B1G loves them some AAU. In fact, they only invite AAU schools to join. So until Oklahoma becomes AAU I don't see them joining the B1G.

So, they take Kansas by themselves?

It's not just AAU. It's also alumni support. Kansas has raised a $1.8 billion endowment, while UConn has $430 million.

There's also a stereotype that New Englanders don't support their college sports teams anywhere near as much as Midwesterners & Southerners. Offhand I'd say this stereotype is true.

As an alumni of both UConn and Kansas, I'll agree on the endowment and on the general premise (which applies in CA as well). The premise is false with respect to UConn though. UConn is unlike the other northeastern public universities in that regard. It certainly commands much more statewide attention than say, K-State or Iowa State or Baylor or Oklahoma State (or Wake Forest, Purdue, Northwestern, Washington State...I can go on and on). It's not even close.

Obviously, I want both schools to land in good situations in P5 conferences. Both belong there on the merits.

If that was true, UConn wouldn'tve $h!t the bed in their BCS bowl regarding attendance. Kansas State football PACKS in the fans, and they travel as well as anybody, routinely sending 25,000+ to their bowl games ... UConn can only dream of that kind of support. If they had THAT, they'd be in the Big Ten or ACC right now.

The attendance at the BCS bowl wasn't an issue, stop pretending it was. Meanwhile, you can stop pretending that support for a university is measured by road bowl game attendance. The day K-State has a men's basketball game against anyone but KU that can get a TV rating as high as the UConn women get, then they can talk about support. For football alone, UConn surpasses K-State and many others. Add all sports and it isn't close.

FWIW the attendance at the bowl indeed WAS an issue, fair or unfair. Unfortunately newer programs don't get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to buying tix in the secondary market.

(05-27-2016 09:37 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(05-26-2016 12:54 PM)HuskyHawk Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:17 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 11:23 AM)HuskyHawk Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 04:12 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  It's not just AAU. It's also alumni support. Kansas has raised a $1.8 billion endowment, while UConn has $430 million.

There's also a stereotype that New Englanders don't support their college sports teams anywhere near as much as Midwesterners & Southerners. Offhand I'd say this stereotype is true.

As an alumni of both UConn and Kansas, I'll agree on the endowment and on the general premise (which applies in CA as well). The premise is false with respect to UConn though. UConn is unlike the other northeastern public universities in that regard. It certainly commands much more statewide attention than say, K-State or Iowa State or Baylor or Oklahoma State (or Wake Forest, Purdue, Northwestern, Washington State...I can go on and on). It's not even close.

Obviously, I want both schools to land in good situations in P5 conferences. Both belong there on the merits.

If that was true, UConn wouldn'tve $h!t the bed in their BCS bowl regarding attendance. Kansas State football PACKS in the fans, and they travel as well as anybody, routinely sending 25,000+ to their bowl games ... UConn can only dream of that kind of support. If they had THAT, they'd be in the Big Ten or ACC right now.

The attendance at the BCS bowl wasn't an issue, stop pretending it was. Meanwhile, you can stop pretending that support for a university is measured by road bowl game attendance. The day K-State has a men's basketball game against anyone but KU that can get a TV rating as high as the UConn women get, then they can talk about support. For football alone, UConn surpasses K-State and many others. Add all sports and it isn't close.

FWIW the attendance at the bowl indeed WAS an issue, fair or unfair. Unfortunately newer programs don't get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to buying tix in the secondary market.

Perception does not change the fact a 10 year FBS program sold only 3k less than blue blood OU to travel across the country to support the team. Perception also does not change the fact that the stadium was full.

(05-25-2016 08:18 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 05:34 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  You had the Big East president sending flowers to the Big Ten president for not wrecking his conference. Not exactly the picture of conference stability.


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Classic case of a lack of leadership! This could have been the Big East:

Football (12)
Boston College
Connecticut
Syracuse
Rutgers
Penn State
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Virginia Tech
Cincinnati
Louisville
South Florida
Miami

Basketball
Notre Dame
Depaul
Marquette
Providence
St. Johns
Seton Hall
Villanova
Georgetown

That would have been 12 for fooyball and 20 for baseball.

Well most likely had Miami stayed, I doubt the BE would have added South Florida. I know the conference had been considering Buffalo and UMass for years (UMass' lack of FBS football at the time and Buffalo's overall non-competitiveness in the two major sports probably led to no votes), and probably were also looking at Memphis due to their basketball program. Not to mention Temple was previously part of the conference as well already.

Additionally, had the BE had Penn State already, they might have been able to steal Maryland from the ACC eventually (Paterno's dream of dominating the Northeast Corridor from Boston down to DC), especially since during the period before grabbing BC/VT/Miami it was not all that stable a conference with FSU and Clemson being unhappy about the football competitiveness and rumors swirling of them leaving for the B12.

Could have ended up a monster conference, 16 football, 24 basketball:
Football (16)
Boston College
Connecticut
Syracuse
Rutgers
Penn State
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Virginia Tech
Cincinnati
Louisville
Miami
Temple
UMass
Buffalo
Maryland
Memphis

Basketball
Notre Dame
Depaul
Marquette
Providence
St. Johns
Seton Hall
Villanova
Georgetown

(05-27-2016 09:43 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(05-27-2016 09:37 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(05-27-2016 09:43 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  The attendance at the BCS bowl wasn't an issue, stop pretending it was. Meanwhile, you can stop pretending that support for a university is measured by road bowl game attendance. The day K-State has a men's basketball game against anyone but KU that can get a TV rating as high as the UConn women get, then they can talk about support. For football alone, UConn surpasses K-State and many others. Add all sports and it isn't close.

FWIW the attendance at the bowl indeed WAS an issue, fair or unfair. Unfortunately newer programs don't get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to buying tix in the secondary market.

Perception does not change the fact a 10 year FBS program sold only 3k less than blue blood OU to travel across the country to support the team. Perception also does not change the fact that the stadium was full.

I get it. I'm pointing out that fair or unfair, you don't get the benefit of the doubt like Oklahoma does. I'm not saying it's right (it's not). But it's the perception, and in this case, the perception is much closer to being perceived as reality than actual reality.

(05-27-2016 09:50 AM)AntiG Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 08:18 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 05:34 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  You had the Big East president sending flowers to the Big Ten president for not wrecking his conference. Not exactly the picture of conference stability.


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Classic case of a lack of leadership! This could have been the Big East:

Football (12)
Boston College
Connecticut
Syracuse
Rutgers
Penn State
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Virginia Tech
Cincinnati
Louisville
South Florida
Miami

Basketball
Notre Dame
Depaul
Marquette
Providence
St. Johns
Seton Hall
Villanova
Georgetown

That would have been 12 for fooyball and 20 for baseball.

Well most likely had Miami stayed, I doubt the BE would have added South Florida. I know the conference had been considering Buffalo and UMass for years (UMass' lack of FBS football at the time and Buffalo's overall non-competitiveness in the two major sports probably led to no votes), and probably were also looking at Memphis due to their basketball program. Not to mention Temple was previously part of the conference as well already.

Additionally, had the BE had Penn State already, they might have been able to steal Maryland from the ACC eventually (Paterno's dream of dominating the Northeast Corridor from Boston down to DC), especially since during the period before grabbing BC/VT/Miami it was not all that stable a conference with FSU and Clemson being unhappy about the football competitiveness and rumors swirling of them leaving for the B12.

Could have ended up a monster conference, 16 football, 24 basketball:
Football (16)
Boston College
Connecticut
Syracuse
Rutgers
Penn State
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Virginia Tech
Cincinnati
Louisville
Miami
Temple
UMass
Buffalo
Maryland
Memphis

Basketball
Notre Dame
Depaul
Marquette
Providence
St. Johns
Seton Hall
Villanova
Georgetown

I can't say I recall any rumors about FSU and Clemson leaving for the Big 12 in 2003. Do you have any sources for this?

(05-27-2016 10:06 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(05-27-2016 09:50 AM)AntiG Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 08:18 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 05:34 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  You had the Big East president sending flowers to the Big Ten president for not wrecking his conference. Not exactly the picture of conference stability.


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Classic case of a lack of leadership! This could have been the Big East:

Football (12)
Boston College
Connecticut
Syracuse
Rutgers
Penn State
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Virginia Tech
Cincinnati
Louisville
South Florida
Miami

Basketball
Notre Dame
Depaul
Marquette
Providence
St. Johns
Seton Hall
Villanova
Georgetown

That would have been 12 for fooyball and 20 for baseball.

Well most likely had Miami stayed, I doubt the BE would have added South Florida. I know the conference had been considering Buffalo and UMass for years (UMass' lack of FBS football at the time and Buffalo's overall non-competitiveness in the two major sports probably led to no votes), and probably were also looking at Memphis due to their basketball program. Not to mention Temple was previously part of the conference as well already.

Additionally, had the BE had Penn State already, they might have been able to steal Maryland from the ACC eventually (Paterno's dream of dominating the Northeast Corridor from Boston down to DC), especially since during the period before grabbing BC/VT/Miami it was not all that stable a conference with FSU and Clemson being unhappy about the football competitiveness and rumors swirling of them leaving for the B12.

Could have ended up a monster conference, 16 football, 24 basketball:
Football (16)
Boston College
Connecticut
Syracuse
Rutgers
Penn State
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Virginia Tech
Cincinnati
Louisville
Miami
Temple
UMass
Buffalo
Maryland
Memphis

Basketball
Notre Dame
Depaul
Marquette
Providence
St. Johns
Seton Hall
Villanova
Georgetown

I can't say I recall any rumors about FSU and Clemson leaving for the Big 12 in 2003. Do you have any sources for this?

I don't but I did hear them. It was one of the reasons why the ACC started aggressively taking apart the shaky Big East... FSU and Clemson wanted a better football conference.

(05-25-2016 11:50 AM)CyclonePower Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 10:29 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  I do not understand why Kansas does not build a state of the art football stadium similar to Baylor or TCU will all the bells and whistles with a capacity around 50,000. That would put Kansas on the map for football and really help them get into the Big Ten. Kansas won a BCS game they can win again just need to improve that dump they play in.

I didn't check to see if anyone answered this yet, but I've asked KU fans this too. Apparently their stadium is a WW1 memorial and they aren't allowed/want to tear that down. It means to much to them and while they agree it's a turd right now there is plans to renovate it and make it look nicer. The cost will be around 150 million they said but they are hoping to get 50 mil from the state.

It would be better to tear it down but they don't have room for it anywhere but west campus and it sounds like they don't want it over there.

The location is great on campus, but hell, it needed to be renovated when I was there from 91-94. Some good teams then though. I think a major renovation will be fine. The overall size and layout aren't bad at all.

(05-26-2016 12:54 PM)HuskyHawk Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 10:17 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(05-25-2016 11:23 AM)HuskyHawk Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 04:12 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(05-24-2016 01:03 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  

Exactly. B1G loves them some AAU. In fact, they only invite AAU schools to join. So until Oklahoma becomes AAU I don't see them joining the B1G.

So, they take Kansas by themselves?

It's not just AAU. It's also alumni support. Kansas has raised a $1.8 billion endowment, while UConn has $430 million.

There's also a stereotype that New Englanders don't support their college sports teams anywhere near as much as Midwesterners & Southerners. Offhand I'd say this stereotype is true.

As an alumni of both UConn and Kansas, I'll agree on the endowment and on the general premise (which applies in CA as well). The premise is false with respect to UConn though. UConn is unlike the other northeastern public universities in that regard. It certainly commands much more statewide attention than say, K-State or Iowa State or Baylor or Oklahoma State (or Wake Forest, Purdue, Northwestern, Washington State...I can go on and on). It's not even close.

Obviously, I want both schools to land in good situations in P5 conferences. Both belong there on the merits.

If that was true, UConn wouldn'tve $h!t the bed in their BCS bowl regarding attendance. Kansas State football PACKS in the fans, and they travel as well as anybody, routinely sending 25,000+ to their bowl games ... UConn can only dream of that kind of support. If they had THAT, they'd be in the Big Ten or ACC right now.

The attendance at the BCS bowl wasn't an issue, stop pretending it was. Meanwhile, you can stop pretending that support for a university is measured by road bowl game attendance. The day K-State has a men's basketball game against anyone but KU that can get a TV rating as high as the UConn women get, then they can talk about support. For football alone, UConn surpasses K-State and many others. Add all sports and it isn't close.

Basketball?? Are you f*cking serious?? And women's basketball??

Silly UConn fans ... if THAT was what was needed, UConn would already be at the table.

Those sports -- especially women's basketball -- are TOTALLY IRRELEVANT.

This is about FOOTBALL. Always has been. Always will be.

UConn's sh!tty BCS bowl is DEVASTATING. Kansas State travels for football like all the big time football programs. Kansas State is way ahead of UConn. To pretend otherwise, is just ignorance on steroids.