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Can't be about money, it has to be about access.
If a school is essentially and demonstratively eliminated from access to the CFP because of realignment, seems like there would be a case. Conferences can't hold members hostage for access but would have a case for damages. It could be that the Big 12 and/or ACC survives, but is essentially denied access to the CFP because of departures and CFP criteria.

Access > $ in courts.

You can't argue how much you are worth but you can argue equal opportunity.

The CFP will be expanded.
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(05-21-2016 06:04 PM)Dasville Wrote:  If a school is essentially and demonstratively eliminated from access to the CFP because of realignment, seems like there would be a case. Conferences can't hold members hostage for access but would have a case for damages. It could be that the Big 12 and/or ACC survives, but is essentially denied access to the CFP because of departures and CFP criteria.

Access > $ in courts.

You can't argue how much you are worth but you can argue equal opportunity.

The CFP will be expanded.

Access to the championship game has demonstrably limited to the P5 since the inception of the Bowl Coalition era and has remained so with the rigged and stacked "selection committee" that has yet to place a G5 team in the top 10 (much less the top 4).

It's worth noting that the G5 rep to the access bowl--along with the demoted Big East rep in 2013 (none of whom were ranked in the top ten), have all defeated thier top 10 P5 opponents in the last 3 BCS/Access bowls. It's clear the selection committee is a knowingly biased corrupt institution designed entirely to determine the top teams from major conferences while expressly eliminating any chance of G5 access to the playoff. The fact that it so consistently under ranks the top G5 teams, and worse---fails to make any attept to correct its obviously biased error prone criteria--might be the best argument against its very existence. Bottom line---limiting access has been the objective since the first attempts at creating a national championship game. As long as those teams that are left behind have the same theoretical access as the G5----what case do they have?
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RE: Can't be about money, it has to be about access.
(05-21-2016 06:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-21-2016 06:04 PM)Dasville Wrote:  If a school is essentially and demonstratively eliminated from access to the CFP because of realignment, seems like there would be a case. Conferences can't hold members hostage for access but would have a case for damages. It could be that the Big 12 and/or ACC survives, but is essentially denied access to the CFP because of departures and CFP criteria.

Access > $ in courts.

You can't argue how much you are worth but you can argue equal opportunity.

The CFP will be expanded.

Access to the championship game has demonstrably limited to the P5 since the inception of the Bowl Coalition era and has remained so with the rigged and stacked "selection committee" that has yet to place a G5 team in the top 10 (much less the top 4).

It's worth noting that the G5 rep to the access bowl--along with the demoted Big East rep in 2013 (none of whom were ranked in the top ten), have all defeated thier top 10 P5 opponents in the last 3 BCS/Access bowls. It's clear the selection committee is a knowingly biased corrupt institution designed entirely to determine the top teams from major conferences while expressly eliminating any chance of G5 access to the playoff. The fact that it so consistently under ranks the top G5 teams, and worse---fails to make any attept to correct its obviously biased error prone criteria--might be the best argument against its very existence. Bottom line---limiting access has been the objective since the first attempts at creating a national championship game. As long as those teams that are left behind have the same theoretical access as the G5----what case do they have?


Absolutely agree with you ... but the corruption is even worse than you state. The selection committee will do what it can to work AGAINST the "non names" within the Power 5 too. There's no way a non-traditional football power gets chosen over a similarly successful traditional football power. So, the Wake Forest's, Syracuse's, Northwestern's, Louisville's, Washington State's, Iowa State's, Mississippi State's, etc etc etc will be snubbed if they can be snubbed, every single time.

The ONLY way to limit the chance for this corruption is to provide greater access by expanding the slots for the playoff. It becomes harder to take away what has been achieved on the field, when there are more playoff slots to fill. There will still be bias, and corruption, but it'll be contained to a greater degree than it can be now.
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RE: Can't be about money, it has to be about access.
(05-21-2016 08:50 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  
(05-21-2016 06:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-21-2016 06:04 PM)Dasville Wrote:  If a school is essentially and demonstratively eliminated from access to the CFP because of realignment, seems like there would be a case. Conferences can't hold members hostage for access but would have a case for damages. It could be that the Big 12 and/or ACC survives, but is essentially denied access to the CFP because of departures and CFP criteria.

Access > $ in courts.

You can't argue how much you are worth but you can argue equal opportunity.

The CFP will be expanded.

Access to the championship game has demonstrably limited to the P5 since the inception of the Bowl Coalition era and has remained so with the rigged and stacked "selection committee" that has yet to place a G5 team in the top 10 (much less the top 4).

It's worth noting that the G5 rep to the access bowl--along with the demoted Big East rep in 2013 (none of whom were ranked in the top ten), have all defeated thier top 10 P5 opponents in the last 3 BCS/Access bowls. It's clear the selection committee is a knowingly biased corrupt institution designed entirely to determine the top teams from major conferences while expressly eliminating any chance of G5 access to the playoff. The fact that it so consistently under ranks the top G5 teams, and worse---fails to make any attept to correct its obviously biased error prone criteria--might be the best argument against its very existence. Bottom line---limiting access has been the objective since the first attempts at creating a national championship game. As long as those teams that are left behind have the same theoretical access as the G5----what case do they have?


Absolutely agree with you ... but the corruption is even worse than you state. The selection committee will do what it can to work AGAINST the "non names" within the Power 5 too. There's no way a non-traditional football power gets chosen over a similarly successful traditional football power. So, the Wake Forest's, Syracuse's, Northwestern's, Louisville's, Washington State's, Iowa State's, Mississippi State's, etc etc etc will be snubbed if they can be snubbed, every single time.

The ONLY way to limit the chance for this corruption is to provide greater access by expanding the slots for the playoff. It becomes harder to take away what has been achieved on the field, when there are more playoff slots to fill. There will still be bias, and corruption, but it'll be contained to a greater degree than it can be now.

And TCU and Baylor were snubbed too. The true powers that be are a very small group of guys indeed.
Cheers!
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RE: Can't be about money, it has to be about access.
(05-21-2016 08:50 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  
(05-21-2016 06:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-21-2016 06:04 PM)Dasville Wrote:  If a school is essentially and demonstratively eliminated from access to the CFP because of realignment, seems like there would be a case. Conferences can't hold members hostage for access but would have a case for damages. It could be that the Big 12 and/or ACC survives, but is essentially denied access to the CFP because of departures and CFP criteria.

Access > $ in courts.

You can't argue how much you are worth but you can argue equal opportunity.

The CFP will be expanded.

Access to the championship game has demonstrably limited to the P5 since the inception of the Bowl Coalition era and has remained so with the rigged and stacked "selection committee" that has yet to place a G5 team in the top 10 (much less the top 4).

It's worth noting that the G5 rep to the access bowl--along with the demoted Big East rep in 2013 (none of whom were ranked in the top ten), have all defeated thier top 10 P5 opponents in the last 3 BCS/Access bowls. It's clear the selection committee is a knowingly biased corrupt institution designed entirely to determine the top teams from major conferences while expressly eliminating any chance of G5 access to the playoff. The fact that it so consistently under ranks the top G5 teams, and worse---fails to make any attept to correct its obviously biased error prone criteria--might be the best argument against its very existence. Bottom line---limiting access has been the objective since the first attempts at creating a national championship game. As long as those teams that are left behind have the same theoretical access as the G5----what case do they have?


Absolutely agree with you ... but the corruption is even worse than you state. The selection committee will do what it can to work AGAINST the "non names" within the Power 5 too. There's no way a non-traditional football power gets chosen over a similarly successful traditional football power. So, the Wake Forest's, Syracuse's, Northwestern's, Louisville's, Washington State's, Iowa State's, Mississippi State's, etc etc etc will be snubbed if they can be snubbed, every single time.

The ONLY way to limit the chance for this corruption is to provide greater access by expanding the slots for the playoff. It becomes harder to take away what has been achieved on the field, when there are more playoff slots to fill. There will still be bias, and corruption, but it'll be contained to a greater degree than it can be now.

Uk being ranked preseason is a great example of artificially inflating a conference's reputation. The committee looks at what a team is ranked at the time the game is played. no way uk should be ranked ahead of WKU.
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RE: Can't be about money, it has to be about access.
Look at the rules that created the new divisions in college football?

NCAA D1/FBS/FCS
NCAA D2
NCAA D3
NAIA
NJCAA
JCCAA or the California Junior Colleges that is seperate.
NCCAA (not all teams are listed in either NCAA or NAIA.)
USCAA
ACA or the small religious colleges and Universities that are not under accreditation yet.
Than you have the division with the fake class room and facilities schools like College of Faith and the likes. Students that go there to play ball are finding out that they were tricked to play for them by sleeping on the floor of the home of the founders and all that. Which the founders are usually the coaches of the teams.
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(05-21-2016 10:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Look at the rules that created the new divisions in college football?

NCAA D1/FBS/FCS
NCAA D2
NCAA D3
NAIA
NJCAA
JCCAA or the California Junior Colleges that is seperate.
NCCAA (not all teams are listed in either NCAA or NAIA.)
USCAA
ACA or the small religious colleges and Universities that are not under accreditation yet.
Than you have the division with the fake class room and facilities schools like College of Faith and the likes. Students that go there to play ball are finding out that they were tricked to play for them by sleeping on the floor of the home of the founders and all that. Which the founders are usually the coaches of the teams.

And there you have it in DavidSt terms.
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(05-21-2016 10:21 PM)Dasville Wrote:  
(05-21-2016 10:02 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Look at the rules that created the new divisions in college football?

NCAA D1/FBS/FCS
NCAA D2
NCAA D3
NAIA
NJCAA
JCCAA or the California Junior Colleges that is seperate.
NCCAA (not all teams are listed in either NCAA or NAIA.)
USCAA
ACA or the small religious colleges and Universities that are not under accreditation yet.
Than you have the division with the fake class room and facilities schools like College of Faith and the likes. Students that go there to play ball are finding out that they were tricked to play for them by sleeping on the floor of the home of the founders and all that. Which the founders are usually the coaches of the teams.

And there you have it in DavidSt terms.


I was saying this because the P5 schools have been losing to teams that are now in D3. Western Reserves had wins over P5 schools. Especially in the Rose Bowl and other bowl games. They wanted to control the flow. But at the same time, the schools they wanted went with others. Johns Hopkins went to D3. Big 10 would love to get Emory, Johns Hopkins, MIT, Boston U. and others like that.
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http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/Alabama.htm

Here is an example of scores.

Alabama lost to Sewanee, Cumberland (NAIA), and so forth.
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RE: Can't be about money, it has to be about access.
(05-21-2016 09:09 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-21-2016 08:50 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  
(05-21-2016 06:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-21-2016 06:04 PM)Dasville Wrote:  If a school is essentially and demonstratively eliminated from access to the CFP because of realignment, seems like there would be a case. Conferences can't hold members hostage for access but would have a case for damages. It could be that the Big 12 and/or ACC survives, but is essentially denied access to the CFP because of departures and CFP criteria.

Access > $ in courts.

You can't argue how much you are worth but you can argue equal opportunity.

The CFP will be expanded.

Access to the championship game has demonstrably limited to the P5 since the inception of the Bowl Coalition era and has remained so with the rigged and stacked "selection committee" that has yet to place a G5 team in the top 10 (much less the top 4).

It's worth noting that the G5 rep to the access bowl--along with the demoted Big East rep in 2013 (none of whom were ranked in the top ten), have all defeated thier top 10 P5 opponents in the last 3 BCS/Access bowls. It's clear the selection committee is a knowingly biased corrupt institution designed entirely to determine the top teams from major conferences while expressly eliminating any chance of G5 access to the playoff. The fact that it so consistently under ranks the top G5 teams, and worse---fails to make any attept to correct its obviously biased error prone criteria--might be the best argument against its very existence. Bottom line---limiting access has been the objective since the first attempts at creating a national championship game. As long as those teams that are left behind have the same theoretical access as the G5----what case do they have?


Absolutely agree with you ... but the corruption is even worse than you state. The selection committee will do what it can to work AGAINST the "non names" within the Power 5 too. There's no way a non-traditional football power gets chosen over a similarly successful traditional football power. So, the Wake Forest's, Syracuse's, Northwestern's, Louisville's, Washington State's, Iowa State's, Mississippi State's, etc etc etc will be snubbed if they can be snubbed, every single time.

The ONLY way to limit the chance for this corruption is to provide greater access by expanding the slots for the playoff. It becomes harder to take away what has been achieved on the field, when there are more playoff slots to fill. There will still be bias, and corruption, but it'll be contained to a greater degree than it can be now.

And TCU and Baylor were snubbed too. The true powers that be are a very small group of guys indeed.
Cheers!

The human polls have always been the most unbiased and most inclusive. Even the BCS system allowed non-BCS teams to rise as high as #4. The problem is less the 4 team field than it is the corrupt selection committee. We have traded a system with thousands of independent opinions that were impossible to control and replaced it with a dozen opinions that are much easier to rig and much easier to control. I knew from the beginning that the selection committee would be the worst possible outcome for the G5. When the membership was announced--Inwas even more certain. The committee has proven it's biased and corrupt nature every year---probably doing it with complete belief that they aren't biased--but just know better than all others (despite having been proven wrong over and over again).
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RE: Can't be about money, it has to be about access.
(05-21-2016 09:09 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-21-2016 08:50 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  
(05-21-2016 06:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-21-2016 06:04 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

And TCU and Baylor were snubbed too. The true powers that be are a very small group of guys indeed.
Cheers!

I agree and disagree, OH state was the correct pick for the spot, which they showed on the field. Baylor didn't belong as UCF made very clear in Fiesta bowl. I do agree if Tex would have been where TCU and Baylor were, Tx would have gone to playoff.
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The playoff will go to six with one at large spot the G5 will theoretically have access . They won't ever get the spot do to lack of strength of scheduling .
Which is impossible to improve too much with two thirds of your games being second tier teams.
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(05-22-2016 08:54 AM)MJG Wrote:  The playoff will go to six with one at large spot the G5 will theoretically have access ......

That would most likely mean that we will have 5 "autonomy" conferences for a long time. I think the predictions of 80 schools (5x16) ultimately belonging to the privileged class will come to pass. Those wanting more contraction will be disappointed.
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(05-22-2016 12:25 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-21-2016 09:09 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-21-2016 08:50 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  
(05-21-2016 06:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-21-2016 06:04 PM)Dasville Wrote:  If a school is essentially and demonstratively eliminated from access to the CFP because of realignment, seems like there would be a case. Conferences can't hold members hostage for access but would have a case for damages. It could be that the Big 12 and/or ACC survives, but is essentially denied access to the CFP because of departures and CFP criteria.

Access > $ in courts.

You can't argue how much you are worth but you can argue equal opportunity.

The CFP will be expanded.

Access to the championship game has demonstrably limited to the P5 since the inception of the Bowl Coalition era and has remained so with the rigged and stacked "selection committee" that has yet to place a G5 team in the top 10 (much less the top 4).

It's worth noting that the G5 rep to the access bowl--along with the demoted Big East rep in 2013 (none of whom were ranked in the top ten), have all defeated thier top 10 P5 opponents in the last 3 BCS/Access bowls. It's clear the selection committee is a knowingly biased corrupt institution designed entirely to determine the top teams from major conferences while expressly eliminating any chance of G5 access to the playoff. The fact that it so consistently under ranks the top G5 teams, and worse---fails to make any attept to correct its obviously biased error prone criteria--might be the best argument against its very existence. Bottom line---limiting access has been the objective since the first attempts at creating a national championship game. As long as those teams that are left behind have the same theoretical access as the G5----what case do they have?


Absolutely agree with you ... but the corruption is even worse than you state. The selection committee will do what it can to work AGAINST the "non names" within the Power 5 too. There's no way a non-traditional football power gets chosen over a similarly successful traditional football power. So, the Wake Forest's, Syracuse's, Northwestern's, Louisville's, Washington State's, Iowa State's, Mississippi State's, etc etc etc will be snubbed if they can be snubbed, every single time.

The ONLY way to limit the chance for this corruption is to provide greater access by expanding the slots for the playoff. It becomes harder to take away what has been achieved on the field, when there are more playoff slots to fill. There will still be bias, and corruption, but it'll be contained to a greater degree than it can be now.

And TCU and Baylor were snubbed too. The true powers that be are a very small group of guys indeed.
Cheers!

The human polls have always been the most unbiased and most inclusive. Even the BCS system allowed non-BCS teams to rise as high as #4. The problem is less the 4 team field than it is the corrupt selection committee. We have traded a system with thousands of independent opinions that were impossible to control and replaced it with a dozen opinions that are much easier to rig and much easier to control. I knew from the beginning that the selection committee would be the worst possible outcome for the G5. When the membership was announced--Inwas even more certain. The committee has proven it's biased and corrupt nature every year---probably doing it with complete belief that they aren't biased--but just know better than all others (despite having been proven wrong over and over again).

Er, OK, so exactly which of the 8 selections the CFP committee has made the past two years indicates that is "corrupt"? 01-wingedeagle

Hint: If you combine the final pre-bowl AP and Coaches polls in both 2014 and 2015, you get the exact same playoff teams both years as were chosen by the CFP. In fact, in 2015 you also get the identical seedings within the top 4, and in 2014 you get the same seedings as well, except had the polls prevailed Oregon and FSU would have swapped positions at #2 and #3, which would have had no impact because they still would have played each other in the Rose Bowl.
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(05-22-2016 06:51 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
(05-21-2016 09:09 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-21-2016 08:50 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  
(05-21-2016 06:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-21-2016 06:04 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

And TCU and Baylor were snubbed too. The true powers that be are a very small group of guys indeed.
Cheers!

I agree and disagree, OH state was the correct pick for the spot, which they showed on the field. Baylor didn't belong as UCF made very clear in Fiesta bowl. I do agree if Tex would have been where TCU and Baylor were, Tx would have gone to playoff.

That was the year that Baylor lost to Mich St in the Cotton Bowl.
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I do believe the committee would place a G5 in the top four, under the right (perfect) situation.

It would have to be at least two P5 confs with their best team either not in the CCG or losing in the CCG and the G5 team undefeated with say three wins over top 25 P5 teams.


Will that happen in the first 12 years of the CFP contract? Maybe not. But I don't think it's impossible.
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(05-22-2016 04:35 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  I do believe the committee would place a G5 in the top four, under the right (perfect) situation.

It would have to be at least two P5 confs with their best team either not in the CCG or losing in the CCG and the G5 team undefeated with say three wins over top 25 P5 teams.


Will that happen in the first 12 years of the CFP contract? Maybe not. But I don't think it's impossible.

Agreed, it could happen. Not likely to ever happen, but it could. The G5 would have to have an impressive OOC schedule. I think even a higher standard, say two wins over top 15 P5 teams, and then yes, the P5 teams would need to have losses, preferably to the G5 team.

E.g., the committee would have been in awkward position this past season had Memphis gone unbeaten and Ole Miss won the SEC, but with Memphis having beaten Ole Miss soundly.
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(05-22-2016 04:35 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  I do believe the committee would place a G5 in the top four, under the right (perfect) situation.

It would have to be at least two P5 confs with their best team either not in the CCG or losing in the CCG and the G5 team undefeated with say three wins over top 25 P5 teams.


Will that happen in the first 12 years of the CFP contract? Maybe not. But I don't think it's impossible.


Since BYU was considered a P5 to some P5 conferences, Boise State almost came up beaten three P5 schools last year. If they have not lost to BYU, and than to Air Force, Utah State and New Mexico last year? Boise State would have no loses. It would be hard to ignore them when Clemson had problems beaten teams that nearly lost to Virginia who Boise State blew out. It tells you that the ACC, Big 12 and PAC 12 were the weakest links last year for the P5.
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(05-22-2016 10:03 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(05-21-2016 09:09 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-21-2016 08:50 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  
(05-21-2016 06:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Access to the championship game has demonstrably limited to the P5 since the inception of the Bowl Coalition era and has remained so with the rigged and stacked "selection committee" that has yet to place a G5 team in the top 10 (much less the top 4).

It's worth noting that the G5 rep to the access bowl--along with the demoted Big East rep in 2013 (none of whom were ranked in the top ten), have all defeated thier top 10 P5 opponents in the last 3 BCS/Access bowls. It's clear the selection committee is a knowingly biased corrupt institution designed entirely to determine the top teams from major conferences while expressly eliminating any chance of G5 access to the playoff. The fact that it so consistently under ranks the top G5 teams, and worse---fails to make any attept to correct its obviously biased error prone criteria--might be the best argument against its very existence. Bottom line---limiting access has been the objective since the first attempts at creating a national championship game. As long as those teams that are left behind have the same theoretical access as the G5----what case do they have?


Absolutely agree with you ... but the corruption is even worse than you state. The selection committee will do what it can to work AGAINST the "non names" within the Power 5 too. There's no way a non-traditional football power gets chosen over a similarly successful traditional football power. So, the Wake Forest's, Syracuse's, Northwestern's, Louisville's, Washington State's, Iowa State's, Mississippi State's, etc etc etc will be snubbed if they can be snubbed, every single time.

The ONLY way to limit the chance for this corruption is to provide greater access by expanding the slots for the playoff. It becomes harder to take away what has been achieved on the field, when there are more playoff slots to fill. There will still be bias, and corruption, but it'll be contained to a greater degree than it can be now.

And TCU and Baylor were snubbed too. The true powers that be are a very small group of guys indeed.
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The human polls have always been the most unbiased and most inclusive. Even the BCS system allowed non-BCS teams to rise as high as #4. The problem is less the 4 team field than it is the corrupt selection committee. We have traded a system with thousands of independent opinions that were impossible to control and replaced it with a dozen opinions that are much easier to rig and much easier to control. I knew from the beginning that the selection committee would be the worst possible outcome for the G5. When the membership was announced--Inwas even more certain. The committee has proven it's biased and corrupt nature every year---probably doing it with complete belief that they aren't biased--but just know better than all others (despite having been proven wrong over and over again).

Er, OK, so exactly which of the 8 selections the CFP committee has made the past two years indicates that is "corrupt"? 01-wingedeagle

Hint: If you combine the final pre-bowl AP and Coaches polls in both 2014 and 2015, you get the exact same playoff teams both years as were chosen by the CFP. In fact, in 2015 you also get the identical seedings within the top 4, and in 2014 you get the same seedings as well, except had the polls prevailed Oregon and FSU would have swapped positions at #2 and #3, which would have had no impact because they still would have played each other in the Rose Bowl.

My description of the corrupt and biased nature of the selection committee is centered their treatment of G5's. Just because it hasn't caused an issue with the playoffs for the G5 yet, doesn't mean a bias doesn't exist. There is broad and clear disconnect in how the human polls and the selection committee rank G5s with respect to P5's.

I think the selection committee is actually accurate in how it determines the top G5. It seems to be more than capable of reasonably comparing G5 to G5 and P5 to P5. Its issue is comparing G5 vs P5. Its natural bias (even it if its accidental and not purposeful) eliminates the ability of any unbiased individual taking the committee seriously on this issue. In fact, the difference is so glaring (and provably wrong by game results), its clear that bias is there by design---otherwise any reasonable person would have made an effort to correct the bias (which is why one is forced to conclude it is, in fact, corrupt).

My feeling is the correction will never happen in this format. The correction will occur when the playoff eventually expands to 8---with all 5 P5's getting an autobid and the top G5 getting an autobid. As I said, I think we can actually trust the committee to select the top G5, we just cant trust it to ever select a G5 over a P5 unless it is MANDATED.
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