For the people who argue that it makes sense to schedule UT, Ole Miss, MSU etc in order to get a sold out Liberty Bowl I would ask this; are these the only schools that we can schedule that would sell out?

With our recent success, we are starting to draw more for our own conference games which means we are less dependent on having to schedule an SEC team from our own area. Seems like we are reaching a place where the Tigers can draw 40-45K for Cincy, UConn, UCF etc a few times a year vs. the old Tigers that drew 55K once a year for a UT and drew 20-25K the rest of the games.

(05-20-2016 04:11 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 04:00 PM)FUT Wrote:  oh yippee. More Memphis fans pining over an opportunity to play an sec school. Didn't see that one coming.

I am all in........................if its a league game.

when everyone wants to do something...and you're the only one saying 'no'...maybe everyone else isn't the problem.

On this, he's not the only one.

(05-21-2016 10:47 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 04:11 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 04:00 PM)FUT Wrote:  oh yippee. More Memphis fans pining over an opportunity to play an sec school. Didn't see that one coming.

I am all in........................if its a league game.

when everyone wants to do something...and you're the only one saying 'no'...maybe everyone else isn't the problem.

On this, he's not the only one.

Thank God I'm not the only one that you stalk

(05-21-2016 10:09 AM)JhanJo Wrote:  For the people who argue that it makes sense to schedule UT, Ole Miss, MSU etc in order to get a sold out Liberty Bowl I would ask this; are these the only schools that we can schedule that would sell out?

With our recent success, we are starting to draw more for our own conference games which means we are less dependent on having to schedule an SEC team from our own area. Seems like we are reaching a place where the Tigers can draw 40-45K for Cincy, UConn, UCF etc a few times a year vs. the old Tigers that drew 55K once a year for a UT and drew 20-25K the rest of the games.

You're letting your disdain for the SEC (& that likely based upon jealousy) get in the way of the logic of what benefits our university. In case you haven't noticed, we're in a conference with Cincy, UConn & UCF, so we play them anyway. And from an economics prospective, every time you'd settle for 45K attendance vs a sellout our university misses out on $750,000. I'm for selling out every game. That requires Memphis to have a competitive team (attendance in 2010-2011 proves that) & Memphis has to play schools the fans - those that buy tickets, want to attend. And your question, "...are these the only schools that we can schedule that would sell out?" That's a question for you and the others opposed to playing SEC schools. I want games that will bring the fans to the Liberty Bowl in sellouts. This is how FSU built their program, they scheduled tough & won. Memphis can do the same. And if it's not the SEC you tell us who? You already admit the top conference games will bring 45K, OK how do we get to sellouts (60K) for the OOC games?

(05-21-2016 12:35 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 10:09 AM)JhanJo Wrote:  For the people who argue that it makes sense to schedule UT, Ole Miss, MSU etc in order to get a sold out Liberty Bowl I would ask this; are these the only schools that we can schedule that would sell out?

With our recent success, we are starting to draw more for our own conference games which means we are less dependent on having to schedule an SEC team from our own area. Seems like we are reaching a place where the Tigers can draw 40-45K for Cincy, UConn, UCF etc a few times a year vs. the old Tigers that drew 55K once a year for a UT and drew 20-25K the rest of the games.

You're letting your disdain for the SEC (& that likely based upon jealousy) get in the way of the logic of what benefits our university. In case you haven't noticed, we're in a conference with Cincy, UConn & UCF, so we play them anyway. And from an economics prospective, every time you'd settle for 45K attendance vs a sellout our university misses out on $750,000. I'm for selling out every game. That requires Memphis to have a competitive team (attendance in 2010-2011 proves that) & Memphis has to play schools the fans - those that buy tickets, want to attend. And your question, "...are these the only schools that we can schedule that would sell out?" That's a question for you and the others opposed to playing SEC schools. I want games that will bring the fans to the Liberty Bowl in sellouts. This is how FSU built their program, they scheduled tough & won. Memphis can do the same. And if it's not the SEC you tell us who? You already admit the top conference games will bring 45K, OK how do we get to sellouts (60K) for the OOC games?

It's not my disdain for the SEC, though I am jealous of the money and benefits they receive, it's not wanting to allow schools in our immediate area access to our market. I would love home and home series against other SEC schools not named UT, MSU, or Arkansas. I could see an argument for playing Ole Miss just because they already have access and are a part of this market. We don't lose that much more by playing them, if we can win our share of games.

As for sellouts vs 45K, I'd like to sellout all the games and my point would be that with this recent success, we are heading towards that. There are plenty of name teams in the country that would generate a sell out but the problem is getting them on the schedule. But, if (insert name of power 5 school) won't play us it doesn't mean we have to then schedule UT. We are no longer in that position. Sellouts are great but we are generating enough excitement and ticket sales that we can limit their access to the Memphis market.

We should play one sec and one big 12 teams each year. Home and home.

Home and home with LSU would be awesome for me

(05-21-2016 01:00 PM)JhanJo Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 12:35 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 10:09 AM)JhanJo Wrote:  For the people who argue that it makes sense to schedule UT, Ole Miss, MSU etc in order to get a sold out Liberty Bowl I would ask this; are these the only schools that we can schedule that would sell out?

With our recent success, we are starting to draw more for our own conference games which means we are less dependent on having to schedule an SEC team from our own area. Seems like we are reaching a place where the Tigers can draw 40-45K for Cincy, UConn, UCF etc a few times a year vs. the old Tigers that drew 55K once a year for a UT and drew 20-25K the rest of the games.

You're letting your disdain for the SEC (& that likely based upon jealousy) get in the way of the logic of what benefits our university. In case you haven't noticed, we're in a conference with Cincy, UConn & UCF, so we play them anyway. And from an economics prospective, every time you'd settle for 45K attendance vs a sellout our university misses out on $750,000. I'm for selling out every game. That requires Memphis to have a competitive team (attendance in 2010-2011 proves that) & Memphis has to play schools the fans - those that buy tickets, want to attend. And your question, "...are these the only schools that we can schedule that would sell out?" That's a question for you and the others opposed to playing SEC schools. I want games that will bring the fans to the Liberty Bowl in sellouts. This is how FSU built their program, they scheduled tough & won. Memphis can do the same. And if it's not the SEC you tell us who? You already admit the top conference games will bring 45K, OK how do we get to sellouts (60K) for the OOC games?

It's not my disdain for the SEC, though I am jealous of the money and benefits they receive, it's not wanting to allow schools in our immediate area access to our market. I would love home and home series against other SEC schools not named UT, MSU, or Arkansas. I could see an argument for playing Ole Miss just because they already have access and are a part of this market. We don't lose that much more by playing them, if we can win our share of games.

As for sellouts vs 45K, I'd like to sellout all the games and my point would be that with this recent success, we are heading towards that. There are plenty of name teams in the country that would generate a sell out but the problem is getting them on the schedule. But, if (insert name of power 5 school) won't play us it doesn't mean we have to then schedule UT. We are no longer in that position. Sellouts are great but we are generating enough excitement and ticket sales that we can limit their access to the Memphis market.

What you are saying is what I am saying with the difference I don't want to give up the $750K in revenue gained by our university with attendance at 60K vs 45K. Yes there are plenty of schools around the country that would sellout the Liberty Bowl opposite a competitive Memphis team but few that will play us home & home on a regular basis. I say, Bowen find those schools in the SEC or outside the SEC, doesn't matter to me. Let's fill up the Liberty Bowl every week, win some games, grow the program & gain acceptance for our university among the haves. But this idea of not allowing another school into the Memphis market is just an idea without any substance. Our university hasn't "owned" our market from a recruiting perspective in FB EVER. And our best BB teams in all the years since '73 have had a selective few Memphians on the teams. Too many Memphis HS players & we have a soap opera, let's get the best players wherever they are & win some games, fill up the FedEx Forum with a schedule that gets fans to the games rather than JP's cupcake of the week.

(05-21-2016 11:05 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 10:47 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 04:11 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 04:00 PM)FUT Wrote:  oh yippee. More Memphis fans pining over an opportunity to play an sec school. Didn't see that one coming.

I am all in........................if its a league game.

when everyone wants to do something...and you're the only one saying 'no'...maybe everyone else isn't the problem.

On this, he's not the only one.

Thank God I'm not the only one that you stalk

Once again, hilarious coming from you.

(05-20-2016 04:33 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 04:25 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 04:22 PM)FUT Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 04:11 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 04:00 PM)FUT Wrote:  oh yippee. More Memphis fans pining over an opportunity to play an sec school. Didn't see that one coming.

I am all in........................if its a league game.

when everyone wants to do something...and you're the only one saying 'no'...maybe everyone else isn't the problem.

everyone? Only one?

you must have conducted one of those scientific polls.

be sure to protest the SEC home games by sending me your tickets...that'll show em!

I have no idea what you are talking about. I will go watch the Tigers play anyone but see no advantage (at least to us) in scheduling sec teams.

So are you going to provide the results of your poll that shows I am the only one that feels this way?

oh, and buy your own ticket.

Playing the local SEC teams guarantees a sellout.

(05-21-2016 08:08 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  Playing the local SEC teams guarantees a sellout.

No it most certainly does not.

(05-21-2016 08:19 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  We are not capable of that crowd. Look at the past few Tennessee games.

Look at the HOME OPENER v. Mississippi State. Drew about as much as we would v. Tulsa.

38,000 came to the Memphis and Tennessee football game in 2010, last time we played them. Memphis was 1-8. Tennessee was 2-7. But yeah God forbid scheduling a game that would pack the Liberty Bowl. If we played Tennessee in the home opener next year it would be a sellout.

(05-21-2016 08:10 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 08:08 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  Playing the local SEC teams guarantees a sellout.

No it most certainly does not.

In basketball? BS. It certainly does. Tubby versus Rick Barnes. The rivalry begun again. Place would be packed.

Oh sorry. I was talking about football. Carry on.

(05-21-2016 08:15 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Oh sorry. I was talking about football. Carry on.

Even in football, Memphis vs. SEC draws nice attendance. Take out the Ole Miss game this year, which was a perfect storm for a sellout, and go back further. In 2006, Memphis and UTK drew 61,000. In 2000, it drew 63,000.
Mississippi State is probably the only SEC team that doesn't draw big crowds out. Only drew 33,000 in 2011. Less than that in 2002.

(05-21-2016 08:13 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 08:19 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  We are not capable of that crowd. Look at the past few Tennessee games.

Look at the HOME OPENER v. Mississippi State. Drew about as much as we would v. Tulsa.

38,000 came to the Memphis and Tennessee football game in 2010, last time we played them. Memphis was 1-8. Tennessee was 2-7. But yeah God forbid scheduling a game that would pack the Liberty Bowl. If we played Tennessee in the home opener next year it would be a sellout.

Fishman, these guys just don't want Memphis to play the SEC. They'd rather play to a half empty house than have a sellout against OM or UTK. They'd rather lose $750K or more per game - money our program really needs, rather than play the SEC. So they trot out stats from the Porter era but then rather than be consistent, cite home crowds the last two years under Fuente claiming we don't need to play OM or UTK. If they are going to cite 2014-15, they have to allow the OM sellout, our only sellout this past season. All they are proving is that Memphis fans want to see competitive winning teams play rather than losers. Again, let's use the FSU model, play a tough schedule, pack the house & get some quality wins OOC.

(05-21-2016 08:24 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 08:13 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(05-21-2016 08:19 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  We are not capable of that crowd. Look at the past few Tennessee games.

Look at the HOME OPENER v. Mississippi State. Drew about as much as we would v. Tulsa.

38,000 came to the Memphis and Tennessee football game in 2010, last time we played them. Memphis was 1-8. Tennessee was 2-7. But yeah God forbid scheduling a game that would pack the Liberty Bowl. If we played Tennessee in the home opener next year it would be a sellout.

Fishman, these guys just don't want Memphis to play the SEC. They'd rather play to a half empty house than have a sellout against OM or UTK. They'd rather lose $750K or more per game - money our program really needs, rather than play the SEC. So they trot out stats from the Porter era but then rather than be consistent, cite home crowds the last two years under Fuente claiming we don't need to play OM or UTK. If they are going to cite 2014-15, they have to allow the OM sellout, our only sellout this past season. All they are proving is that Memphis fans want to see competitive winning teams play rather than losers. Again, let's use the FSU model, play a tough schedule, pack the house & get some quality wins OOC.

People will come for quality opponents and quality football.

(05-21-2016 08:24 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Again, let's use the FSU model, play a tough schedule, pack the house & get some quality wins OOC.

Different time...different day.

FSU schedule 5 road games in a row at LSU. (1979-1983, went 4-1), and then followed that up years later with a 2-for-1 series (2 games in Baton Rouge).

FSU scheduled 4 road games at Nebraska. (1980, 1981, 1985, 1986)

FSU scheduled 2 road games in a row at Ohio State (1981, 1982).

FSU scheduled 2 road games at Michigan (1986, 1991).

FSU played 2 road games in a row at Arizona State (1983-1984)

FSU, as an Independent, didn't have much choice...as no one was ever going to come to Tallahassee to play them...as back then, teams were limited to 3 national tv broadcats per year...so the only way FSU was able to get on TV was to schedule top road games...and with that exposure, Bowden was able to capitalize on both the beginning of FL's population explosion in regards to FL HS Athletes...and then utilize national star power to recruit nationally as well.

Nebraska, Ohio State nor Michigan to this day has ever played a game in Tallahassee.

Tubby will play anybody, anytime, anywhere, but the Dude needs some BALLERS