On this week’s episode the guys spoke to Fox Sports’ Tim Brando (24:10) and ESPN.com’s David Hale (56:30) about the potential ACC Network, ACC football in general, and conference realignment. (We also discussed the impact of losing Chinanu Onuaku and Mangok stepping up in his place.)

With Tim:

*When the ACC Network could get up and running & why he feels Raycom won’t be an issue (including other television industry behind-the-scenes information)

*Why Notre Dame could join the ACC for football (plus another school for No. 16)

*The ACC’s position of strength as a Power 5 league

*If the Big 12 will expand with a conference title game

With David:

*An overview of the ACC spring meetings

*The sense of the ADs after the meetings about the league’s future

*His top 5 ACC teams (and sleeper) heading into 2016
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Brando seems confident that ND will be all in in about 5 years.

(05-20-2016 08:21 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Brando seems confident that ND will be all in in about 5 years.

He has no info though... Good grief he just learned that if we have to join a conference it has to be the ACC? He cites money will be the reason for us to join which if you know anything about us that won't decide it. If money was our driving force we would have joined the Big 10 15 yrs ago. Same recycled, tired, argument that I have heard as a fan for yrs, decades.

(05-20-2016 08:37 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 08:21 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Brando seems confident that ND will be all in in about 5 years.

He has no info though... Good grief he just learned that if we have to join a conference it has to be the ACC? He cites money will be the reason for us to join which if you know anything about us that won't decide it. If money was our driving force we would have joined the Big 10 15 yrs ago. Same recycled, tired, argument that I have heard as a fan for yrs, decades.

Agreed! Only way ND joins a conference is if there is a change in the playoffs that would prevent them from participating. As a part time employee of Raycom, I do believe him on the network however. I mean, if Raycom tells him something like "hey Tim, not gonna be a lot of work for you in the near future", then that would be a big hint.
Just a guess on my part, but from the vibe I get, there will be both an ACCN and an ACCGo type of option.

(05-20-2016 08:37 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 08:21 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Brando seems confident that ND will be all in in about 5 years.

He cites money will be the reason for us to join which if you know anything about us that won't decide it. If money was our driving force we would have joined the Big 10 15 yrs ago. Same recycled, tired, argument that I have heard as a fan for yrs, decades.

could be wrong ...
but I maintain that the forthcoming network will do the trick ...
less money & less minutes won't sit well with an administration contemptuous of lesser draws drawing bigger paychecks & bigger pay per views ...
if you don't see it ...

COOLER HEADS PREVAIL

(05-20-2016 10:54 AM)green Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 08:37 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 08:21 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Brando seems confident that ND will be all in in about 5 years.

He cites money will be the reason for us to join which if you know anything about us that won't decide it. If money was our driving force we would have joined the Big 10 15 yrs ago. Same recycled, tired, argument that I have heard as a fan for yrs, decades.

could be wrong ...
but I maintain that the forthcoming network will do the trick ...
less money & less minutes won't sit well with an administration contemptuous of lesser draws drawing bigger paychecks & bigger pay per views ...
if you don't see it ...

COOLER HEADS PREVAIL

I would tell you that you are right if you were right but you are wrong.

WE WILL NOT GO QUIETLY INTO THE NIGHT

(05-20-2016 11:01 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 10:54 AM)green Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 08:37 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 08:21 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Brando seems confident that ND will be all in in about 5 years.

He cites money will be the reason for us to join which if you know anything about us that won't decide it. If money was our driving force we would have joined the Big 10 15 yrs ago. Same recycled, tired, argument that I have heard as a fan for yrs, decades.

could be wrong ...
but I maintain that the forthcoming network will do the trick ...
less money & less minutes won't sit well with an administration contemptuous of lesser draws drawing bigger paychecks & bigger pay per views ...
if you don't see it ...

COOLER HEADS PREVAIL

I would tell you that you are right if you were right but you are wrong.

WE WILL NOT GO QUIETLY INTO THE NIGHT

You will owe me......eventually..

(05-20-2016 08:37 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 08:21 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Brando seems confident that ND will be all in in about 5 years.

He has no info though... Good grief he just learned that if we have to join a conference it has to be the ACC? He cites money will be the reason for us to join which if you know anything about us that won't decide it. If money was our driving force we would have joined the Big 10 15 yrs ago. Same recycled, tired, argument that I have heard as a fan for yrs, decades.

He makes some good points with the NBC "dinosaur" contract, scheduling challenges, more $ & the recruiting disadvantages but they are the same arguments that ND hasn't cared about thus far. There is also the disadvantage in making the CFP. Will ESPN entice them into the fold some how with the network? Is the ND coach secretly whispering to his AD that he wants a level playing field that comes with a conference membership? Who knows what's going on behind closed doors.

I continue to be amazed that some people just don't seem to understand that Notre Dame joined the ACC.

How is that fact continually missed? They just play 5 football games not 8 and they don't share in our general football revenue as long as they have their home contract with NBC.

That's not a case of not being a member of the ACC.

What does the conference get out of three more games? For the revenue of three more games the conference will have to pay ND their NBC money off the top - their share of the football money. Then the league's members will lose 2.5 annual appearances on an NBC national telecast. Instead of seeing ND every third year, you run the risk of seeing them just once every six years if they were to end up in another division. Instead of 14 schools trying to make two spots in the ACC title game, it will grow to 15, likely 16.

We have the best of all worlds now yet some would piss it away for a little money and others are so jealous that they would create stir anything to waft a stink.

(05-20-2016 11:01 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 10:54 AM)green Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 08:37 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 08:21 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Brando seems confident that ND will be all in in about 5 years.

He cites money will be the reason for us to join which if you know anything about us that won't decide it. If money was our driving force we would have joined the Big 10 15 yrs ago. Same recycled, tired, argument that I have heard as a fan for yrs, decades.

could be wrong ...
but I maintain that the forthcoming network will do the trick ...
less money & less minutes won't sit well with an administration contemptuous of lesser draws drawing bigger paychecks & bigger pay per views ...
if you don't see it ...

COOLER HEADS PREVAIL

I would tell you that you are right if you were right but you are wrong.

WE WILL NOT GO QUIETLY INTO THE NIGHT

absence of rationale ...
very telling TerryD ...
but you will go ...

DRAGGED KICKING & SCREAMING

(05-20-2016 12:07 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  I continue to be amazed that some people just don't seem to understand that Notre Dame joined the ACC.

How is that fact continually missed? They just play 5 football games not 8 and they don't share in our general football revenue as long as they have their home contract with NBC.

That's not a case of not being a member of the ACC.

What does the conference get out of three more games? For the revenue of three more games the conference will have to pay ND their NBC money off the top - their share of the football money. Then the league's members will lose 2.5 annual appearances on an NBC national telecast. Instead of seeing ND every third year, you run the risk of seeing them just once every six years if they were to end up in another division. Instead of 14 schools trying to make two spots in the ACC title game, it will grow to 15, likely 16.

We have the best of all worlds now yet some would piss it away for a little money and others are so jealous that they would create stir anything to waft a stink.

You do realize that we are discussing what Brando said, right?

(05-20-2016 12:07 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  We have the best of all worlds now yet some would piss it away for a little money and others are so jealous that they would create stir anything to waft a stink.

here's the rub ...
what's stopping others from demanding preferential treatment ...

SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS

Good Stuff

(05-20-2016 12:14 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 12:07 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  I continue to be amazed that some people just don't seem to understand that Notre Dame joined the ACC.

How is that fact continually missed? They just play 5 football games not 8 and they don't share in our general football revenue as long as they have their home contract with NBC.

That's not a case of not being a member of the ACC.

What does the conference get out of three more games? For the revenue of three more games the conference will have to pay ND their NBC money off the top - their share of the football money. Then the league's members will lose 2.5 annual appearances on an NBC national telecast. Instead of seeing ND every third year, you run the risk of seeing them just once every six years if they were to end up in another division. Instead of 14 schools trying to make two spots in the ACC title game, it will grow to 15, likely 16.

We have the best of all worlds now yet some would piss it away for a little money and others are so jealous that they would create stir anything to waft a stink.

You do realize that we are discussing what Brando said, right?

Yes, and some of you discuss what the Dude posts as well.

The op had this in his original post:

*Why Notre Dame could join the ACC for football (plus another school for No. 16)

This business of characterizing ND as not a member of the ACC is just stupid. It's one thing for media hacks to parrot that line as they vie for hits during the off season, but anyone here with more than three months on this site knows better.

(05-20-2016 12:26 PM)green Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 12:07 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  We have the best of all worlds now yet some would piss it away for a little money and others are so jealous that they would create stir anything to waft a stink.

here's the rub ...
what's stopping others from demanding preferential treatment ...

SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS

Preferential treatment you say? ND does not get to play for the ACC title in football. ND plays who the league office says they will play. ND plays other ACC schools when the league office says they will play. ND earns less TV money from NBC than they would if ESPN had all their games.

Does Florida State or UNC have a contract with NBC, CBS, or ABC that gives them 7 home football game telecasts to the nation each year? Does the Methodist Church and most Methodists consider Duke their defacto university? How many Southern Baptists follow the Demon Deacons?

Please enlighten me regarding this one sided "special" treatment. It seems to me the ACC and ND made a fair trade.

(05-20-2016 08:38 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  the ACC and ND made a fair trade.

That says it all.

Some people don't like the deal so they characterize it as unfair. The simple truth is that both the ACC and ND willingly made this deal and both are generally happy with it.

There is no preferential treatment as each side knew exactly what they had to give and what they should expect in return. That is not preferential treatment, that is agreement. Neither side was obligated to make the agreement and either could have walked away from it before finalizing it.

I am not an ND fan but I respect that they have their goals and they pursue them as such.

(05-20-2016 08:30 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 12:14 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 12:07 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  I continue to be amazed that some people just don't seem to understand that Notre Dame joined the ACC.

How is that fact continually missed? They just play 5 football games not 8 and they don't share in our general football revenue as long as they have their home contract with NBC.

That's not a case of not being a member of the ACC.

What does the conference get out of three more games? For the revenue of three more games the conference will have to pay ND their NBC money off the top - their share of the football money. Then the league's members will lose 2.5 annual appearances on an NBC national telecast. Instead of seeing ND every third year, you run the risk of seeing them just once every six years if they were to end up in another division. Instead of 14 schools trying to make two spots in the ACC title game, it will grow to 15, likely 16.

We have the best of all worlds now yet some would piss it away for a little money and others are so jealous that they would create stir anything to waft a stink.

You do realize that we are discussing what Brando said, right?

Yes, and some of you discuss what the Dude posts as well.

The op had this in his original post:

*Why Notre Dame could join the ACC for football (plus another school for No. 16)

This business of characterizing ND as not a member of the ACC is just stupid. It's one thing for media hacks to parrot that line as they vie for hits during the off season, but anyone here with more than three months on this site knows better.

You are really going to compare Brando to the Dude, someone of who has been in sports broadcasting for decades to a dweeb that posts random crap on Twitter & a blog? I think there's a huge disparity in credibility there. I'm not saying that I agree with Brando on this point but his opinion is worth a discussion.

What is untrue with the quote that you posted? ND is NOT a football member of the ACC. Louisville is not a women's LAX or gymnastics member of the ACC. Both are members of the ACC in other sports, like basketball.

The ND deal was great for the ACC & ND at the time. What's wrong with the ACC trying to entice them to join the ACC in football? In the current landscape it would be wise not to try to devalue football. The goal should be to make ACC football stronger, bringing ND in as a football member would do that.

You asked earlier what the ACC would get out of 3 more games. For starters the ACC gains far more than 3 more games. They add 8 ND games to the TV contract which adds a substantial value. They add value to the OB contract & other bowls as well. They would add value to the CCG as well. Do you really need to ask?

(05-20-2016 12:26 PM)green Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 12:07 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  We have the best of all worlds now yet some would piss it away for a little money and others are so jealous that they would create stir anything to waft a stink.

here's the rub ...
what's stopping others from demanding preferential treatment ...

SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS

Because they are not Notre Dame?

ALL DOGS ARE ANIMALS BUT NOT ALL ANIMALS ARE DOGS

(05-20-2016 08:38 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 12:26 PM)green Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 12:07 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  We have the best of all worlds now yet some would piss it away for a little money and others are so jealous that they would create stir anything to waft a stink.

here's the rub ...
what's stopping others from demanding preferential treatment ...

SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS

Preferential treatment you say? ND does not get to play for the ACC title in football. ND plays who the league office says they will play. ND plays other ACC schools when the league office says they will play. ND earns less TV money from NBC than they would if ESPN had all their games.

Does Florida State or UNC have a contract with NBC, CBS, or ABC that gives them 7 home football game telecasts to the nation each year? Does the Methodist Church and most Methodists consider Duke their defacto university? How many Southern Baptists follow the Demon Deacons?

Please enlighten me regarding this one sided "special" treatment. It seems to me the ACC and ND made a fair trade.

One nit. ND sets the dates, the ACC sets the opponent.

Otherwise, agreed.

(05-21-2016 09:00 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 08:30 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 12:14 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(05-20-2016 12:07 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  I continue to be amazed that some people just don't seem to understand that Notre Dame joined the ACC.

How is that fact continually missed? They just play 5 football games not 8 and they don't share in our general football revenue as long as they have their home contract with NBC.

That's not a case of not being a member of the ACC.

What does the conference get out of three more games? For the revenue of three more games the conference will have to pay ND their NBC money off the top - their share of the football money. Then the league's members will lose 2.5 annual appearances on an NBC national telecast. Instead of seeing ND every third year, you run the risk of seeing them just once every six years if they were to end up in another division. Instead of 14 schools trying to make two spots in the ACC title game, it will grow to 15, likely 16.

We have the best of all worlds now yet some would piss it away for a little money and others are so jealous that they would create stir anything to waft a stink.

You do realize that we are discussing what Brando said, right?

Yes, and some of you discuss what the Dude posts as well.

The op had this in his original post:

*Why Notre Dame could join the ACC for football (plus another school for No. 16)

This business of characterizing ND as not a member of the ACC is just stupid. It's one thing for media hacks to parrot that line as they vie for hits during the off season, but anyone here with more than three months on this site knows better.

You are really going to compare Brando to the Dude, someone of who has been in sports broadcasting for decades to a dweeb that posts random crap on Twitter & a blog? I think there's a huge disparity in credibility there. I'm not saying that I agree with Brando on this point but his opinion is worth a discussion.

What is untrue with the quote that you posted? ND is NOT a football member of the ACC. Louisville is not a women's LAX or gymnastics member of the ACC. Both are members of the ACC in other sports, like basketball.

The ND deal was great for the ACC & ND at the time. What's wrong with the ACC trying to entice them to join the ACC in football? In the current landscape it would be wise not to try to devalue football. The goal should be to make ACC football stronger, bringing ND in as a football member would do that.

You asked earlier what the ACC would get out of 3 more games. For starters the ACC gains far more than 3 more games. They add 8 ND games to the TV contract which adds a substantial value. They add value to the OB contract & other bowls as well. They would add value to the CCG as well. Do you really need to ask?

I don't think that it was "great" for ND. I think that five games a season was way too much, three would have been ok. The deal is tolerable from ND's point of view, the better of several options but not "great".

"At the time"..? That deal was, what, three years ago..........

If adding ND football to the ACC benefits the ACC, where does this "extra benefit" come from? Thin air?

It must come from a comparable "loss" to ND.

Plus, ND would have to do something that it seriously does not want to do nor thinks is in its best interests.

No thanks. ND's goal is not to make ACC football stronger. It is to keep football out of a conference at nearly all costs.

P.S. I have been listening to Tim Brando talk out of his ass since he was a local Baton Rouge sportscaster in the Eighties. He is not that smart. He is a bit smarter and knows a bit more than The Dude, but I don't think that gulf is a wide chasm........