One issue you never hear anything about is public bathroom facilities for handicap persons that require assistance. As the parent of a now young adult special needs daughter that requires assistants when going to the bathroom, there are many different activities or events that she cannot take part in just due to the fact that her mother or another female cannot attend that is able to assist her. I can assist her like I have to at different times at home. But out in the public that is not the case if the need arises.

(05-18-2016 04:26 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  One issue you never hear anything about is public bathroom facilities for handicap persons that require assistance. As the parent of a now young adult special needs daughter that requires assistants when going to the bathroom, there are many different activities or events that she cannot take part in just due to the fact that her mother or another female cannot attend that is able to assist her. I can assist her like I have to at different times at home. But out in the public that is not the case if the need arises.

Doesn't the ADA address this? If so, does it not go far enough?

(05-18-2016 04:33 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-18-2016 04:26 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  One issue you never hear anything about is public bathroom facilities for handicap persons that require assistance. As the parent of a now young adult special needs daughter that requires assistants when going to the bathroom, there are many different activities or events that she cannot take part in just due to the fact that her mother or another female cannot attend that is able to assist her. I can assist her like I have to at different times at home. But out in the public that is not the case if the need arises.

Doesn't the ADA address this? If so, does it not go far enough?

To my knowledge the ADA does not address issues regarding persons that need assistance. They only address issues regarding the needs of the physically handicapped, such as having handicap stalls that a person in a wheel chair can have assess to use. Issues of the mentally handicapped and there needs are not addressed.

Unfortunately, It sound an awful lot like the squeaky wheel getting the grease.

I'm sorry to hear about your daughter and your struggles. This issue is certainly more deserving of the nation's attention than the transgenders.

(05-18-2016 06:07 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Unfortunately, It sound an awful lot like the squeaky wheel getting the grease.

I'm sorry to hear about your daughter and your struggles. This issue is certainly more deserving of the nation's attention than the transgenders.

This is a issue that very few people are not even aware off and do not even think about. Our daughter has her limits of what she capable of doing and not doing. We deal with it the best way we can.

(05-18-2016 06:38 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(05-18-2016 06:07 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Unfortunately, It sound an awful lot like the squeaky wheel getting the grease.

I'm sorry to hear about your daughter and your struggles. This issue is certainly more deserving of the nation's attention than the transgenders.

This is a issue that very few people are not even aware off and do not even think about. Our daughter has her limits of what she capable of doing and not doing. We deal with it the best way we can.

I'd have to admit to being one of those individuals that has never considered it nor was I aware that such an issue could exist until you brought it to our attention here.

(05-18-2016 04:26 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  One issue you never hear anything about is public bathroom facilities for handicap persons that require assistance. As the parent of a now young adult special needs daughter that requires assistants when going to the bathroom, there are many different activities or events that she cannot take part in just due to the fact that her mother or another female cannot attend that is able to assist her. I can assist her like I have to at different times at home. But out in the public that is not the case if the need arises.

I've noticed more businesses adding a Family Bathroom to address these needs.

(05-18-2016 06:38 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(05-18-2016 06:07 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Unfortunately, It sound an awful lot like the squeaky wheel getting the grease.

I'm sorry to hear about your daughter and your struggles. This issue is certainly more deserving of the nation's attention than the transgenders.

This is a issue that very few people are not even aware off and do not even think about. Our daughter has her limits of what she capable of doing and not doing. We deal with it the best way we can.

Family rest rooms are a nice alternative. You have those issues with babies.

And sometimes you just ask someone, if its not a big restroom, to help make sure its empty.

(05-18-2016 07:51 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-18-2016 06:38 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(05-18-2016 06:07 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Unfortunately, It sound an awful lot like the squeaky wheel getting the grease.

I'm sorry to hear about your daughter and your struggles. This issue is certainly more deserving of the nation's attention than the transgenders.

This is a issue that very few people are not even aware off and do not even think about. Our daughter has her limits of what she capable of doing and not doing. We deal with it the best way we can.

Family rest rooms are a nice alternative. You have those issues with babies.

And sometimes you just ask someone, if its not a big restroom, to help make sure its empty.

Family restroom/private restroom would be great if they were required at all public facilities. Would solve the Trans problem also......kill two birds with one stone.

(05-18-2016 09:01 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  Family restroom/private restroom would be great if they were required at all public facilities. Would solve the Trans problem also......kill two birds with one stone.

Not to get too off topic, but if the trans community was smart, that's how they would package their cause. You would have to be really, really cold to oppose giving bathroom options to the differently abled. And like you said, a win for the special needs community would be a win for the Trans community.

(05-18-2016 09:01 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(05-18-2016 07:51 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-18-2016 06:38 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(05-18-2016 06:07 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Unfortunately, It sound an awful lot like the squeaky wheel getting the grease.

I'm sorry to hear about your daughter and your struggles. This issue is certainly more deserving of the nation's attention than the transgenders.

This is a issue that very few people are not even aware off and do not even think about. Our daughter has her limits of what she capable of doing and not doing. We deal with it the best way we can.

Family rest rooms are a nice alternative. You have those issues with babies.

And sometimes you just ask someone, if its not a big restroom, to help make sure its empty.

Family restroom/private restroom would be great if they were required at all public facilities. Would solve the Trans problem also......kill two birds with one stone.

I'm all for these facilities..but..they won't solve the trans problem. Nothing short of allowing them to do whatever they want to do will satisfy the SJW's that are behind this nonsense.

(05-19-2016 03:03 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(05-18-2016 09:01 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  Family restroom/private restroom would be great if they were required at all public facilities. Would solve the Trans problem also......kill two birds with one stone.

Not to get too off topic, but if the trans community was smart, that's how they would package their cause. You would have to be really, really cold to oppose giving bathroom options to the differently abled. And like you said, a win for the special needs community would be a win for the Trans community.

To be clear, I believe the trans community's cause is to just leave them the eff alone and let them use the bathroom that they identify with and STFU about it.

It's mostly the GOP that is making this an issue by trying to pass laws to address a problem that doesn't even really exist. So by necessity, the trans community and liberals now have to fight those ridiculous bills.

(05-18-2016 05:21 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(05-18-2016 04:33 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-18-2016 04:26 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  One issue you never hear anything about is public bathroom facilities for handicap persons that require assistance. As the parent of a now young adult special needs daughter that requires assistants when going to the bathroom, there are many different activities or events that she cannot take part in just due to the fact that her mother or another female cannot attend that is able to assist her. I can assist her like I have to at different times at home. But out in the public that is not the case if the need arises.

Doesn't the ADA address this? If so, does it not go far enough?

To my knowledge the ADA does not address issues regarding persons that need assistance. They only address issues regarding the needs of the physically handicapped, such as having handicap stalls that a person in a wheel chair can have assess to use. Issues of the mentally handicapped and there needs are not addressed.

Apologies...you just said handicapped and I didn't immediately think of it as just a mental one.

I don't know her age, but I would treat it mostly like I would with a young child. If I needed to assist my daughter, I would just take her into the men's room and into a stall and proceed from there. If I encountered any resistance, I'd tell them to mind their own business.

But if they're going to start passing laws about bathrooms and usage, I'd certainly raise your issue. Contact your congressperson and go from their. Most likely, they don't know about your and others plights either.

(05-18-2016 09:01 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(05-18-2016 07:51 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-18-2016 06:38 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(05-18-2016 06:07 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Unfortunately, It sound an awful lot like the squeaky wheel getting the grease.

I'm sorry to hear about your daughter and your struggles. This issue is certainly more deserving of the nation's attention than the transgenders.

This is a issue that very few people are not even aware off and do not even think about. Our daughter has her limits of what she capable of doing and not doing. We deal with it the best way we can.

Family rest rooms are a nice alternative. You have those issues with babies.

And sometimes you just ask someone, if its not a big restroom, to help make sure its empty.

Family restroom/private restroom would be great if they were required at all public facilities. Would solve the Trans problem also......kill two birds with one stone.

This is something that I have suggested be done in public places. Of course, it would be a financial burden on businesses. As a public school teacher, I have had instances where we have students who require assistance in such situations. I know that the school district requires this kind of assistance during school hours but obviously that is only during school time.

Are there not any federal assistance programs that would help you pay for assistance during other times?

(05-19-2016 09:53 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-18-2016 09:01 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(05-18-2016 07:51 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-18-2016 06:38 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(05-18-2016 06:07 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Unfortunately, It sound an awful lot like the squeaky wheel getting the grease.

I'm sorry to hear about your daughter and your struggles. This issue is certainly more deserving of the nation's attention than the transgenders.

This is a issue that very few people are not even aware off and do not even think about. Our daughter has her limits of what she capable of doing and not doing. We deal with it the best way we can.

Family rest rooms are a nice alternative. You have those issues with babies.

And sometimes you just ask someone, if its not a big restroom, to help make sure its empty.

Family restroom/private restroom would be great if they were required at all public facilities. Would solve the Trans problem also......kill two birds with one stone.

This is something that I have suggested be done in public places. Of course, it would be a financial burden on businesses. As a public school teacher, I have had instances where we have students who require assistance in such situations. I know that the school district requires this kind of assistance during school hours but obviously that is only during school time.

Are there not any federal assistance programs that would help you pay for assistance during other times?

He's talking about things as simple as going to a Walmart and the child needing to go.

I had a similar issue with my daughter when she was younger. We always tried to make sure my wife took the daughter and I was with our son.

(05-19-2016 11:30 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 09:53 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-18-2016 09:01 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(05-18-2016 07:51 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-18-2016 06:38 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  This is a issue that very few people are not even aware off and do not even think about. Our daughter has her limits of what she capable of doing and not doing. We deal with it the best way we can.

Family rest rooms are a nice alternative. You have those issues with babies.

And sometimes you just ask someone, if its not a big restroom, to help make sure its empty.

Family restroom/private restroom would be great if they were required at all public facilities. Would solve the Trans problem also......kill two birds with one stone.

This is something that I have suggested be done in public places. Of course, it would be a financial burden on businesses. As a public school teacher, I have had instances where we have students who require assistance in such situations. I know that the school district requires this kind of assistance during school hours but obviously that is only during school time.

Are there not any federal assistance programs that would help you pay for assistance during other times?

He's talking about things as simple as going to a Walmart and the child needing to go.

I had a similar issue with my daughter when she was younger. We always tried to make sure my wife took the daughter and I was with our son.

I realize this. Most of the time, a family member is there to assist. I'm talking about however an instance where the disabled person is by themselves.

It is my understanding that you can apply for social security benefits which provide a nurse to assist part time where they can take disabled persons to the mall or grocery shopping.

(05-19-2016 11:36 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 11:30 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 09:53 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  This is something that I have suggested be done in public places. Of course, it would be a financial burden on businesses. As a public school teacher, I have had instances where we have students who require assistance in such situations. I know that the school district requires this kind of assistance during school hours but obviously that is only during school time.

Are there not any federal assistance programs that would help you pay for assistance during other times?

He's talking about things as simple as going to a Walmart and the child needing to go.

I had a similar issue with my daughter when she was younger. We always tried to make sure my wife took the daughter and I was with our son.

I realize this. Most of the time, a family member is there to assist. I'm talking about however an instance where the disabled person is by themselves.

It is my understanding that you can apply for social security benefits which provide a nurse to assist part time where they can take disabled persons to the mall or grocery shopping.

At this time all the federal assist our daughter receive is a disability check and insurance. She will continue to receive these as long as she does not have over 2k in assets in her name.

Our daughter has the mental understanding of a 5-6 year old. Her verbal level is only 1 to 2 words using about 100 different words. At her skill level she will never be able to have a job or live on her own.

As far as assistance for persons with disability, your local public school system is responsible for there training and schooling from the age of 3 until they turn 21. After they turn 21 it goes to mental health and the funds are not there to support the needs. Inside the state of Alabama there are over 3000 on the waiting list just the following 3 type programs. 1) Year round school type program. Most that end up in this type program only leave the program if there family moves or they die. The ones in this type program live at home or in group homes. 2) Job life skills training programs. Some of this group live at home or have the skill level to live on there own. The ones in this type program leave the program when there goals are met. 3) Group homes. Homes for the mentally challenged that for different reasons can not live at home any longer such as parents health or no other family member to live with. The only other living option is a nursing home.

Our daughter has been on the state waiting list for the year round school type program for right at 3 years. Opening are filled from this waiting list by a need based system and not by how long a person has been on the list.

At this time my wife is a retired school teacher so she is home with our daughter while I am at work.

The real issue in our case is having a 5 year old child in a adult body that requires what every 5 year old child requires, constant supervision but will never reach the point where that supervision is no longer needed which is the case with normal children.

In our case there is no need for someone to take her to the grocery store or the mall. No need for a nurse to come to our home an assisted. The only thing they could assist with is normal household chores such as washing, cleaning, preparing meals, and assisting with any other household duties that any normal family would have.

EVERYTHING is a bigger issue than trans bathroom rights.

I have more concern that they haven't mowed the park at the end of my street and that the dandelions will blow into my yard.

Doesn't mean we needed a law saying men that are women who used to be men can pee in the women's room.

(05-19-2016 11:36 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I realize this. Most of the time, a family member is there to assist. I'm talking about however an instance where the disabled person is by themselves.

It is my understanding that you can apply for social security benefits which provide a nurse to assist part time where they can take disabled persons to the mall or grocery shopping.

In our case we would never leave our daughter by themselves. Now if some events inside our family were to take place that my wife or I could not provide care for her, our daughter would move up to a one of the waiting list I mentioned for government provided programs. Our daughter does not qualify for home health assistance because she does not have any medical health issues. Her issue are mental health issues which are entirely different from physical health issues.

(05-19-2016 02:25 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 11:36 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  I realize this. Most of the time, a family member is there to assist. I'm talking about however an instance where the disabled person is by themselves.

It is my understanding that you can apply for social security benefits which provide a nurse to assist part time where they can take disabled persons to the mall or grocery shopping.

In our case we would never leave our daughter by themselves. Now if some events inside our family were to take place that my wife or I could not provide care for her, our daughter would move up to a one of the waiting list I mentioned for government provided programs. Our daughter does not qualify for home health assistance because she does not have any medical health issues. Her issue are mental health issues which are entirely different from physical health issues.

I see. I don't know how it is in other states but I do know that my parents currently care for one of my sisters who developed a mental disability later in life. Through the social security benefits, they have been able to secure a "caregiver" who will come to my parents house and cook and clean as well as go to the other things that I have mentioned.

I don't know if it is because both of my parents are retired but you should keep looking.