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New law could have a major impact
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/col.../84430000/

I didn't see any treads about this issue so I thought I would pass it on. The Ark St AD is quoted in the article. This new law could be crippling for several athletic departments. Another example of the federal gov being too intrusive.
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This affects all professionals on campus not just athletics. It's especially pertinent to employees in Student Activities and Housing who are often working events that push them over the 40 hrs a week. I can almost guarantee you we won't get paid more, instead they'll find ways to cut our hours or hire more student assistants who can work cheaper to take over some of our responsibilities.
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Article is behind a pay wall... what is it about?
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Google "A new expense looms for college athletic departments" from USA Today. Basically a new law that if workers don't make a certain amount they must be paid overtime if they work over 40 hours. Ark St AD said it could cost his dept up to $700,000 a year to comply.
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(05-18-2016 09:24 AM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  Google "A new expense looms for college athletic departments" from USA Today. Basically a new law that if workers don't make a certain amount they must be paid overtime if they work over 40 hours. Ark St AD said it could cost his dept up to $700,000 a year to comply.

another overreach by our current president with no congressional authorization. it will be interesting to see how it plays out
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With just a quick glance at the new federal "law" it seems it'd be easy enough to simply divide the 80-100 hours per week to the proper hourly wage + OT then pay any deficit via a monthly "performance bonus" so it equals out in the end. I don't know enough about the new reg to know whether or not this particular method would fly or not, but as a former multi small business owner, that's how I'd be thinking with my limited knowledge.

Another line of thinking would be to simply change the assistant coaches' titles to include the word "manager" at the end (think: OL Equipment Mgr., DL Equipment Mgr., etc.) because, in essence these people really are teachers and managers arguably.

My point is, if there's a will there's a way in this oligarchical capitalistic society.
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(05-18-2016 10:23 AM)airtroop Wrote:  With just a quick glance at the new federal "law" it seems it'd be easy enough to simply divide the 80-100 hours per week to the proper hourly wage + OT then pay any deficit via a monthly "performance bonus" so it equals out in the end. I don't know enough about the new reg to know whether or not this particular method would fly or not, but as a former multi small business owner, that's how I'd be thinking with my limited knowledge.

Another line of thinking would be to simply change the assistant coaches' titles to include the word "manager" at the end (think: OL Equipment Mgr., DL Equipment Mgr., etc.) because, in essence these people really are teachers and managers arguably.

My point is, if there's a will there's a way in this oligarchical capitalistic society.
Yep, there are exemptions. Business always pay for exemptions in regulations and laws. The protection applied to 62% of salaried workers 40 years ago but only 7% today. This is not a power grab but an overdue adjustment.

When $23K was enough to support a family, it was okay to require those employees to work a little overtime. They could still make ends meet. These days, a single parent making $23K needs to find additional sources of income or be home to take care of the kids (so they don't have to pay someone) so raising it to $47K is no unfair.
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The law was originally intended to benefit managers earning 30k ish a year and working 80 plus a week with no overtime. Obviously there are unintended consequences.
It is basically an updated to an existing law. Just now it covers more people.
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(05-18-2016 09:15 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  Article is behind a pay wall... what is it about?

After years of sharply raising the compensation for some of their best-known employees, college sports programs across the nation are now facing the prospect of having to make substantial pay increases for many of their less prominent workers.

The U.S. Department of Labor, acting on a directive President Obama issued in March 2014, on Tuesday revealed changes in the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) that beginning this fall will basically double the amount of money workers must make to be exempt from federal overtime-pay requirements.


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Millions more Americans to be eligible for overtime pay

Absent an exception for colleges or some other form of intervention, this update to rules and salary thresholds that have been unchanged since 2004 could require athletics departments to start giving hundreds of thousands of dollars more a year in pay and benefits to an array of staffers from assistant coaches, to trainers, to ticket-office personnel.

Unless they receive sufficient salary increases, these types of employees will have to become hourly wage-earners who are either limited to 40-hour work weeks or paid at overtime rates when they exceed 40 hours.

The FLSA changes are “a concerning issue in a lot of industries,” University of Oregon deputy athletics director Eric Roedl said late last week. “But in ours, there is so much travel, so much work on nights and weekends that it’s difficult to manage.”

At present, workers who exceed 40 hours on the job in a week do not have to be paid at overtime rates if they meet three criteria:

--They are employed on a salaried basis.

--Their jobs are primarily professional, administrative or executive.

--They make at least $23,660 per year.

Under the new FLSA rules, scheduled to take effect Dec. 1, they will have to make at least $47,476 a year to be exempt from overtime.

An issue, specifically, for NCAA Division I athletics departments is that this new expense is coming on the heels of a series of changes in NCAA rules designed to increase the benefits athletes are allowed to receive.

In April 2014, the membership voted to allow schools to provide athletes with basically unlimited food service. Beginning with the start of the 2015-16 school year, schools have been permitted to award scholarships based on the full cost of attending school, not just the traditional tuition, room, board, books and fees. Late last month, another vote let schools pay all of the summer-school costs of athletes who have partial scholarships during the regular academic year; previously, athletes on partial scholarships during the regular year were limited to a similar proportion of aid for summer school.

Meanwhile, many major-college athletics programs have committed themselves to multi-year, multi-million-dollar contracts with coaches and athletics directors, and to facilities projects that involve much longer-term financing.

Oregon’s Roedl said providing unlimited food and cost-of-attendance-based scholarships alone has added nearly $1.5 million a year to his department’s expenses.

He said that because the new regulations had not been finalized, his department had not yet worked out the specifics of how it will handle the changes or how much they will cost. However, he said “it is safe to say the financial impact would be well into six figures.”

For a program like Oregon’s, which has an annual operating budget of more than $100 million, that’s significant but not insurmountable.

For Arkansas State, it’s a much more serious issue.

Athletics director Terry Mohajir, citing information he had received from his university’s human-resources office, said last week 34 of his department’s 72 employees currently have salaries that could shift them from exempt status to non-exempt. Based on those employees’ current pay, he estimated it will cost his department roughly $500,000 in salary increases to keep them exempt – and the salary increases will trigger another $200,000 in benefits costs.

The estimated $700,000 increase is against a current annual operating budget of nearly $30 million, Mohajir said.

“Obviously you do what the law tells you that you have to do,” Mohajir said. “It may affect people’s employment status. It may affect people’s workload.”

Among the hundreds of thousands of responses that the Labor Department received during a 60-day comment period last year, one came from Western Carolina athletics director Randy Eaton.

Writing in July 2015, he estimated that his department had 68 full-time employees, 55 of whom have been exempt – and he added that he would need to make firings because of the increased costs he was facing for salaries and/or overtime.

"While I can tell you with great certainty that I would not be alone in my ultimate course of action,” he wrote, “I do not look forward to the day when I must look 10%-20% of my employees in the eye to tell them I am cutting their position due to federally mandated changes in the FLSA standards.”

Last week, Eaton said 68 of his 70 employees are currently exempt, including 39 whose salaries fall below the new $47,476 threshold. Two of those 39, he said, are head coaches. He said he was examining a range of alternatives, including putting some employees on nine-month appointments.

A Labor Department document addressing the new rules' impact on the higher-education sector does contain one section that could offer help to some athletics programs, although it could be tricky. The document says coaches may be exempt regardless of salary "if their primary duty is teaching, which may include instructing athletes in how to perform their sport. If, however, their duties primarily include recruiting athletes or doing manual labor, they are not considered teachers."

Still, outside experts predicted possible consequences for athletics programs.

At schools in the NCAA’s Football Championship Subdivision and Divisions II and III, “I think they’re going to have to curtail opportunities (for athletes) because of this,” said Mike Aitken, the vice president for governmental affairs for the Society for Human Resource Management, a group representing nearly 300,000 professionals in the field that voiced its opposition to such a dramatic increase in the salary threshold.

He pointed out that because colleges will be facing payroll issues across their campuses from the FLSA change, they may be very limited in how much they can help their athletics departments.

With so many athletics programs dependent on student fees or substantial institutional funding, some schools “may pass this cost along to students and their families” in the form of increased athletic fees and/or tuition, said Jennifer Donnelly — a vice president with Sibson Consulting, whose clients include numerous colleges.

Schools, she said, “are not going to have a lot of great options.”
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RE: New law could have a major impact
(05-18-2016 09:42 AM)runamuck Wrote:  
(05-18-2016 09:24 AM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  Google "A new expense looms for college athletic departments" from USA Today. Basically a new law that if workers don't make a certain amount they must be paid overtime if they work over 40 hours. Ark St AD said it could cost his dept up to $700,000 a year to comply.

another overreach by our current president with no congressional authorization. it will be interesting to see how it plays out

It's a good law, it's just that Athletic programs have unintended consequences. The idea that someone making a little over 30K per year without getting paid overtime is a little ridiculous.
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(05-18-2016 09:42 AM)runamuck Wrote:  
(05-18-2016 09:24 AM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  Google "A new expense looms for college athletic departments" from USA Today. Basically a new law that if workers don't make a certain amount they must be paid overtime if they work over 40 hours. Ark St AD said it could cost his dept up to $700,000 a year to comply.

another overreach by our current president with no congressional authorization. it will be interesting to see how it plays out


It is just keeping the rules, passed by Congress, up to date. The old limit was based on average wages decades ago, and has not been adjusted for inflation. This gets back to the original intent of the law.
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I'm vehemently opposed to the minimum wage vote bribing games.

But this one is a legit change that needed to be updated.

Sadly, our poor G5 athletic programs have had to take advantage of the disparity...but now won't be able to overwork without paying anymore...and will have even more budgetary obstacles.





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(05-18-2016 11:12 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(05-18-2016 09:42 AM)runamuck Wrote:  
(05-18-2016 09:24 AM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  Google "A new expense looms for college athletic departments" from USA Today. Basically a new law that if workers don't make a certain amount they must be paid overtime if they work over 40 hours. Ark St AD said it could cost his dept up to $700,000 a year to comply.

another overreach by our current president with no congressional authorization. it will be interesting to see how it plays out

It's a good law, it's just that Athletic programs have unintended consequences. The idea that someone making a little over 30K per year without getting paid overtime is a little ridiculous.

Not necessarily. What about entry level positions? So everyone coming out of college will be making 47,500 now or going home at 5 o'clock?
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(05-18-2016 11:31 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(05-18-2016 11:12 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(05-18-2016 09:42 AM)runamuck Wrote:  
(05-18-2016 09:24 AM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  Google "A new expense looms for college athletic departments" from USA Today. Basically a new law that if workers don't make a certain amount they must be paid overtime if they work over 40 hours. Ark St AD said it could cost his dept up to $700,000 a year to comply.

another overreach by our current president with no congressional authorization. it will be interesting to see how it plays out

It's a good law, it's just that Athletic programs have unintended consequences. The idea that someone making a little over 30K per year without getting paid overtime is a little ridiculous.

Not necessarily. What about entry level positions? So everyone coming out of college will be making 47,500 now or going home at 5 o'clock?

Either making 47,500...going home at 5...or getting paid time and a half for anything over 40 hours.





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(05-18-2016 10:23 AM)airtroop Wrote:  With just a quick glance at the new federal "law" it seems it'd be easy enough to simply divide the 80-100 hours per week to the proper hourly wage + OT then pay any deficit via a monthly "performance bonus" so it equals out in the end. I don't know enough about the new reg to know whether or not this particular method would fly or not, but as a former multi small business owner, that's how I'd be thinking with my limited knowledge.

Another line of thinking would be to simply change the assistant coaches' titles to include the word "manager" at the end (think: OL Equipment Mgr., DL Equipment Mgr., etc.) because, in essence these people really are teachers and managers arguably.

My point is, if there's a will there's a way in this oligarchical capitalistic society.

To your first paragraph yes, as long as the base hourly wage is over the min wage you can. To your second it doesn't matter what you call them, it does matter what their duties are but regardless they have to be paid a certain base salary or overtime.
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(05-18-2016 11:21 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(05-18-2016 09:42 AM)runamuck Wrote:  
(05-18-2016 09:24 AM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  Google "A new expense looms for college athletic departments" from USA Today. Basically a new law that if workers don't make a certain amount they must be paid overtime if they work over 40 hours. Ark St AD said it could cost his dept up to $700,000 a year to comply.

another overreach by our current president with no congressional authorization. it will be interesting to see how it plays out


It is just keeping the rules, passed by Congress, up to date. The old limit was based on average wages decades ago, and has not been adjusted for inflation. This gets back to the original intent of the law.

haven't average salaries actually declined over the last decade? So maybe they should have revised it downward? I understand the intent (similar to minimum wage), but this will have far reaching consequences and probably end up hurting more people then helping. Or I could see it being a wash with no real gains for anyone.
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(05-18-2016 11:31 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(05-18-2016 11:12 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(05-18-2016 09:42 AM)runamuck Wrote:  
(05-18-2016 09:24 AM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  Google "A new expense looms for college athletic departments" from USA Today. Basically a new law that if workers don't make a certain amount they must be paid overtime if they work over 40 hours. Ark St AD said it could cost his dept up to $700,000 a year to comply.

another overreach by our current president with no congressional authorization. it will be interesting to see how it plays out

It's a good law, it's just that Athletic programs have unintended consequences. The idea that someone making a little over 30K per year without getting paid overtime is a little ridiculous.

Not necessarily. What about entry level positions? So everyone coming out of college will be making 47,500 now or going home at 5 o'clock?

If they want to obey the law, yes.
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I'm about to get long winded

So let me get the quick thing out of the way.

It won't cost AState $500,000 to $700,000 because most of those people will not be pulled up to $47k. If you are making under $40k the chances you work enough OT to reach $47k is minimal.

If you make $31,200 ($15 an hour on 2080 hours) to reach $47k in OT you would have to work 711 hours of overtime over a year. That's almost 14 hours of OT a week. Considering that most athletic departments have zero reason to work any OT roughly three months of the year and most are going to give people a minimum of two weeks off those people would have to be working 20 hours of OT during the Fall and Spring semesters. That doesn't happen.

A good number of people do have to work late during some sports or four to six Saturdays a year. Many of them will now get Monday off or report for work at noon on the day of a volleyball or basketball weeknight game.

That number was a worst case of everyone being raised to the exempt level.
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(05-18-2016 11:54 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  
(05-18-2016 11:31 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(05-18-2016 11:12 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(05-18-2016 09:42 AM)runamuck Wrote:  
(05-18-2016 09:24 AM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  Google "A new expense looms for college athletic departments" from USA Today. Basically a new law that if workers don't make a certain amount they must be paid overtime if they work over 40 hours. Ark St AD said it could cost his dept up to $700,000 a year to comply.

another overreach by our current president with no congressional authorization. it will be interesting to see how it plays out

It's a good law, it's just that Athletic programs have unintended consequences. The idea that someone making a little over 30K per year without getting paid overtime is a little ridiculous.

Not necessarily. What about entry level positions? So everyone coming out of college will be making 47,500 now or going home at 5 o'clock?

If they want to obey the law, yes.

I know what the regulations say. I was saying it's not ridiculous to be making a little over $30k/year and be expected to pull some overtime at an entry level position without making the employer calculate the overtime pay.
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(05-18-2016 11:54 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  
(05-18-2016 11:31 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(05-18-2016 11:12 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(05-18-2016 09:42 AM)runamuck Wrote:  
(05-18-2016 09:24 AM)Libertygrad01 Wrote:  Google "A new expense looms for college athletic departments" from USA Today. Basically a new law that if workers don't make a certain amount they must be paid overtime if they work over 40 hours. Ark St AD said it could cost his dept up to $700,000 a year to comply.

another overreach by our current president with no congressional authorization. it will be interesting to see how it plays out

It's a good law, it's just that Athletic programs have unintended consequences. The idea that someone making a little over 30K per year without getting paid overtime is a little ridiculous.

Not necessarily. What about entry level positions? So everyone coming out of college will be making 47,500 now or going home at 5 o'clock?

If they want to obey the law, yes.

Or eliminate those positions, which is what my company has done/is doing.
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