(11-16-2018 01:20 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 10:54 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 08:34 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 08:28 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  So a DavidSt like slide listing every school put together by an intern doesn’t mean they were looking at them in any meaningful way. And the SunBelt on that era is completely different- they were unstable and willing to look at anyone with a pulse.

Benson presented those teams to the ADs of the SBC. It was a list of schools that Benson presented the idea.

As schools to possibly maybe consider, back when the Sun Belt was on the verge of dissolving.

The Sun Belt is stable now, and is not going to give the time of day to a D2 move up.

Does UNF have potential? Sure. But they would need to get to D1/FCS first.

Have just came out of under a rock? They are already D1 and made the men's basketball tournament as the ASUN champs a few years ago. They have been in the A-SUN since 2005. 2009, they became eligible for post season tournaments. I think you got them confused with UWF who is D2.

dbackjon correctly stated what he meant. Since UNF does not have football they would still need to achieve D1/FCS status first.

(11-16-2018 01:20 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 10:54 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 08:34 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 08:28 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  So a DavidSt like slide listing every school put together by an intern doesn’t mean they were looking at them in any meaningful way. And the SunBelt on that era is completely different- they were unstable and willing to look at anyone with a pulse.

Benson presented those teams to the ADs of the SBC. It was a list of schools that Benson presented the idea.

As schools to possibly maybe consider, back when the Sun Belt was on the verge of dissolving.

The Sun Belt is stable now, and is not going to give the time of day to a D2 move up.

Does UNF have potential? Sure. But they would need to get to D1/FCS first.

Have just came out of under a rock? They are already D1 and made the men's basketball tournament as the ASUN champs a few years ago. They have been in the A-SUN since 2005. 2009, they became eligible for post season tournaments. I think you got them confused with UWF who is D2.

They don't have a football team. At least a varsity one. They have to start a football team, play and be eligible to go to FBS first. And again, Sun Belt isn't looking at this moment.

If UNF is wanting football, they have a league to join. Let them do that first.

(11-16-2018 01:32 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 01:20 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 10:54 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 08:34 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 08:28 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  So a DavidSt like slide listing every school put together by an intern doesn’t mean they were looking at them in any meaningful way. And the SunBelt on that era is completely different- they were unstable and willing to look at anyone with a pulse.

Benson presented those teams to the ADs of the SBC. It was a list of schools that Benson presented the idea.

As schools to possibly maybe consider, back when the Sun Belt was on the verge of dissolving.

The Sun Belt is stable now, and is not going to give the time of day to a D2 move up.

Does UNF have potential? Sure. But they would need to get to D1/FCS first.

Have just came out of under a rock? They are already D1 and made the men's basketball tournament as the ASUN champs a few years ago. They have been in the A-SUN since 2005. 2009, they became eligible for post season tournaments. I think you got them confused with UWF who is D2.

dbackjon correctly stated what he meant. Since UNF does not have football they would still need to achieve D1/FCS status first.

If a conference that is FBS in football invites a non football school, and they decided to play scholarship football, they would play in that conference...

Example South Alabama

That being said, the ASun is set for a long time, may add someone in the near future, but not likely losing anyone.

The ASun is in good position (better than its been in in a long time) now. Last year they almost got 2 in the basketball tournament, with the addition of Liberty, it may happen this year. Baseball is among the best in the country, only slightly behind the "Power 5" conferences in strength. Other sports are doing well also. I believe it will not be long for the ASun to become a top tier "mid major" conference in all sports. The only wildcard is NJIT, and I dont think they will leave anytime soon after what their president said about how they loved playing basketball in the South regularly.

(11-16-2018 08:21 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 01:32 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 01:20 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 10:54 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 08:34 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Benson presented those teams to the ADs of the SBC. It was a list of schools that Benson presented the idea.

As schools to possibly maybe consider, back when the Sun Belt was on the verge of dissolving.

The Sun Belt is stable now, and is not going to give the time of day to a D2 move up.

Does UNF have potential? Sure. But they would need to get to D1/FCS first.

Have just came out of under a rock? They are already D1 and made the men's basketball tournament as the ASUN champs a few years ago. They have been in the A-SUN since 2005. 2009, they became eligible for post season tournaments. I think you got them confused with UWF who is D2.

dbackjon correctly stated what he meant. Since UNF does not have football they would still need to achieve D1/FCS status first.

If a conference that is FBS in football invites a non football school, and they decided to play scholarship football, they would play in that conference...

Example South Alabama

That being said, the ASun is set for a long time, may add someone in the near future, but not likely losing anyone.

True, but that's not the situation here. A non-football UNF will not be invited to the Sun Belt.

(11-16-2018 08:51 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 08:21 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 01:32 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 01:20 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 10:54 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  As schools to possibly maybe consider, back when the Sun Belt was on the verge of dissolving.

The Sun Belt is stable now, and is not going to give the time of day to a D2 move up.

Does UNF have potential? Sure. But they would need to get to D1/FCS first.

Have just came out of under a rock? They are already D1 and made the men's basketball tournament as the ASUN champs a few years ago. They have been in the A-SUN since 2005. 2009, they became eligible for post season tournaments. I think you got them confused with UWF who is D2.

dbackjon correctly stated what he meant. Since UNF does not have football they would still need to achieve D1/FCS status first.

If a conference that is FBS in football invites a non football school, and they decided to play scholarship football, they would play in that conference...

Example South Alabama

That being said, the ASun is set for a long time, may add someone in the near future, but not likely losing anyone.

True, but that's not the situation here. A non-football UNF will not be invited to the Sun Belt.

I agree, and I thought that's the point I was making.

Seems like GVSU and Ferris would be good pickups for Summit or WAC.
First GVSU after they transition Ferris St both could do it with pioneer football.
No scholarship FCS would probably even out the cost compared to D2.
The five other non major D1 schools in Michigan would give them some good non conference options . Along with the Chicago area and Indiana non major schools.

(11-16-2018 11:37 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 08:51 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 08:21 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 01:32 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 01:20 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Have just came out of under a rock? They are already D1 and made the men's basketball tournament as the ASUN champs a few years ago. They have been in the A-SUN since 2005. 2009, they became eligible for post season tournaments. I think you got them confused with UWF who is D2.

dbackjon correctly stated what he meant. Since UNF does not have football they would still need to achieve D1/FCS status first.

If a conference that is FBS in football invites a non football school, and they decided to play scholarship football, they would play in that conference...

Example South Alabama

That being said, the ASun is set for a long time, may add someone in the near future, but not likely losing anyone.

True, but that's not the situation here. A non-football UNF will not be invited to the Sun Belt.

I agree, and I thought that's the point I was making.

The point is that SBC adds them as a non-football school. They would already get a foot in the door. They could do the South Alabama way.

(11-18-2018 02:00 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 11:37 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 08:51 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 08:21 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 01:32 PM)AZcats Wrote:  dbackjon correctly stated what he meant. Since UNF does not have football they would still need to achieve D1/FCS status first.

If a conference that is FBS in football invites a non football school, and they decided to play scholarship football, they would play in that conference...

Example South Alabama

That being said, the ASun is set for a long time, may add someone in the near future, but not likely losing anyone.

True, but that's not the situation here. A non-football UNF will not be invited to the Sun Belt.

I agree, and I thought that's the point I was making.

The point is that SBC adds them as a non-football school. They would already get a foot in the door. They could do the South Alabama way.

Sun Belt already has two non-football schools that have both recently proposed studies regarding football. There is no need for the conference to expand right now. Before they added football, South Alabama had been a member of the conference since the mid-70's.

(11-18-2018 02:07 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  

(11-18-2018 02:00 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 11:37 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 08:51 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 08:21 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  If a conference that is FBS in football invites a non football school, and they decided to play scholarship football, they would play in that conference...

Example South Alabama

That being said, the ASun is set for a long time, may add someone in the near future, but not likely losing anyone.

True, but that's not the situation here. A non-football UNF will not be invited to the Sun Belt.

I agree, and I thought that's the point I was making.

The point is that SBC adds them as a non-football school. They would already get a foot in the door. They could do the South Alabama way.

Sun Belt already has two non-football schools that have both recently proposed studies regarding football. There is no need for the conference to expand right now. Before they added football, South Alabama had been a member of the conference since the mid-70's.

The Sun Belt is not in the expansion market. They might go there if UTA adds football and that would mean they are adding an active football school to keep an even number. South Alabama was a Sun Belt founding member.

Memory from the past.

UC-San Diego
Tarleton State
North Alabama
LIU-Post merger
Bellarmine
California Baptist
Dixie State
All schools made the announcement to go D1.

Davenport to D2

We should use this thread as an example about the rumors and articles.

Congrats youre like 7 for 200

(05-08-2020 09:45 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Congrats youre like 7 for 200

Not on his list that day:
Merrimack
St Thomas
Augustana

(05-08-2020 10:56 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 09:45 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Congrats youre like 7 for 200

Not on his list that day:
Merrimack
St Thomas
Augustana

Merrimack was in another thread. I had Sioux Falls instead of Augustana. Nobody would not have known St. Thomas would be booted from their conference.

For anyone who believes DavidSt is the D2 call-up guru he thinks he is.

http://collegesportsinfo.com/forum/viewt...d2c4a9f1c7

Fresno St. Alum can confirm all this. That thread goes back to January 2010, nearly four full years before David joined this board, discussing potential D2-to-D1 moves. You can't be the one who "predicts" something when you are only repeating what others have been saying for years.

(05-08-2020 11:06 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 10:56 AM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  

(05-08-2020 09:45 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  Congrats youre like 7 for 200

Not on his list that day:
Merrimack
St Thomas
Augustana

Merrimack was in another thread. I had Sioux Falls instead of Augustana. Nobody would not have known St. Thomas would be booted from their conference.

Oh so Merrimack was on a different thread, but not on this thread, which seems to be your most condensed, therefore more realistic. What does getting booted from a conference have to do with anything? If you can predict colleges with no athletic departments going D1, you can’t predict a D3 school from going D1?

David is 7 for 200 while everyone else is 0 for 200

I did notice that David named schools who are successful so they def. have a shot

(05-08-2020 02:22 PM)KingSean Wrote:  David is 7 for 200 while everyone else is 0 for 200

The point was that anyone could just list a ton of schools and say they'll move up and be right on a few. On the flip side if someone was wrong about something 100 times and they continued to be wrong after that wouldnt you say they're a little nuts?

(05-08-2020 11:16 AM)AZcats Wrote:  http://collegesportsinfo.com/forum/viewt...d2c4a9f1c7

That now-dead board is a historical goldmine. Like the conference graphics for each conference thread, and all the cfb/cbb links (most of which are dead) on the front page. Just seems to have not been maintained.

Also saw our own bullet on that website -- his last post was May 5, 2005.