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Per Harry Minium report. Glad they worked that out so they can focus on the stadium.

a very reasoned and reasonable compromise

Good news!

(05-13-2016 03:31 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  http://pilotonline.com/odu-will-pay-full...caa2f.html

Per Harry Minium report. Glad they worked that out so they can focus on the stadium.

I still think this is BS...the opportunity for a free college education that no one else on campus gets seems to be adequate to me.

I am surprised no one has sued a college or the NCAA for discrimination or something because athletes get more than the general student population, since the topic of the day is gender identity and gender equity. if it is about providing athletes spending money, change the rules to let them have jobs or earn work study money, like the rest of us had to do. I mean think of the walk-on to the team who gets no scholarship and has to pay the whole freight and pay his own cell phone bill to boot. If I were a baseball player or a soccer player I would be pissed because I am apparently not as worthy a representative of the University as a football or basketball player.

Again, my opinion, but this is just BS and undo privilege for already well privileged STUDENT athletes who get preference for housing, registration for classes, and added class and academic success support among other things.

I am sure I am about to get verbally beat up, but just remember this is only my opinion, you are welcome to your and I am welcome to mine.

My only nitpik with you is the whole "let 'em get jobs" argument. Counting training, practice, travel the season and offseason schedule, they already have a job in addition to being college students. And saying let them get jobs only opens up the old Pandora's Box of boosters giving non-jobs jobs or kids paid to turn on sprinklers to water fields -- if anyone still does that anymore.

I hate the idea as well, but that's where we are. We have to do it if we want to compete.

(05-13-2016 04:03 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 03:31 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  http://pilotonline.com/odu-will-pay-full...caa2f.html

Per Harry Minium report. Glad they worked that out so they can focus on the stadium.

I still think this is BS...the opportunity for a free college education that no one else on campus gets seems to be adequate to me.

I am surprised no one has sued a college or the NCAA for discrimination or something because athletes get more than the general student population, since the topic of the day is gender identity and gender equity. if it is about providing athletes spending money, change the rules to let them have jobs or earn work study money, like the rest of us had to do. I mean think of the walk-on to the team who gets no scholarship and has to pay the whole freight and pay his own cell phone bill to boot. If I were a baseball player or a soccer player I would be pissed because I am apparently not as worthy a representative of the University as a football or basketball player.

Again, my opinion, but this is just BS and undo privilege for already well privileged STUDENT athletes who get preference for housing, registration for classes, and added class and academic success support among other things.

I am sure I am about to get verbally beat up, but just remember this is only my opinion, you are welcome to your and I am welcome to mine.

I think the lawsuits are going to come. I am with you. I think a free college education is enough but I know they had to do it to stay competitive. Why are they entitled to help with travel, cellphones, entertainment when my college sophomore is not. My ex wife and I have to pick up those things and we are not raking in the big bugs.

(05-13-2016 04:03 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 03:31 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  http://pilotonline.com/odu-will-pay-full...caa2f.html

Per Harry Minium report. Glad they worked that out so they can focus on the stadium.

I still think this is BS...the opportunity for a free college education that no one else on campus gets seems to be adequate to me.

I am surprised no one has sued a college or the NCAA for discrimination or something because athletes get more than the general student population, since the topic of the day is gender identity and gender equity. if it is about providing athletes spending money, change the rules to let them have jobs or earn work study money, like the rest of us had to do. I mean think of the walk-on to the team who gets no scholarship and has to pay the whole freight and pay his own cell phone bill to boot. If I were a baseball player or a soccer player I would be pissed because I am apparently not as worthy a representative of the University as a football or basketball player.

Again, my opinion, but this is just BS and undo privilege for already well privileged STUDENT athletes who get preference for housing, registration for classes, and added class and academic success support among other things.

I am sure I am about to get verbally beat up, but just remember this is only my opinion, you are welcome to your and I am welcome to mine.

I actually agree with you, but this COA business had to be done in order to stay competitive. We have to pay if we want to play. Its as simple as that. I wish they never approved the COA, but once they did ODU had to pony up. There really wasn't any other choice. I hope it doesn't mess up baseball and soccer. But those sports still give scholarships at least.

(05-13-2016 04:44 PM)odubsu Wrote:  My ex wife and I have to pick up those things and we are not raking in the big bugs.

Careful. If you don't regularly rake in the "big bugs" they can end up taking over the whole house.

On a less flippant note, and not to be unsympathetic, life's not fair. Never has been. Never will be.

I don't mean to belittle the huge costs of educating your children (which I know first hand), but fussing over the inequities of c.o.a. is focusing on the trivial. Just my opinion.

(05-13-2016 04:03 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 03:31 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  http://pilotonline.com/odu-will-pay-full...caa2f.html

Per Harry Minium report. Glad they worked that out so they can focus on the stadium.

I still think this is BS...the opportunity for a free college education that no one else on campus gets seems to be adequate to me.

I am surprised no one has sued a college or the NCAA for discrimination or something because athletes get more than the general student population, since the topic of the day is gender identity and gender equity. if it is about providing athletes spending money, change the rules to let them have jobs or earn work study money, like the rest of us had to do. I mean think of the walk-on to the team who gets no scholarship and has to pay the whole freight and pay his own cell phone bill to boot. If I were a baseball player or a soccer player I would be pissed because I am apparently not as worthy a representative of the University as a football or basketball player.

Again, my opinion, but this is just BS and undo privilege for already well privileged STUDENT athletes who get preference for housing, registration for classes, and added class and academic success support among other things.

I am sure I am about to get verbally beat up, but just remember this is only my opinion, you are welcome to your and I am welcome to mine.

Completely agree with you, but glad we did it.

(05-13-2016 04:44 PM)odubsu Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 04:03 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 03:31 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  http://pilotonline.com/odu-will-pay-full...caa2f.html

Per Harry Minium report. Glad they worked that out so they can focus on the stadium.

I still think this is BS...the opportunity for a free college education that no one else on campus gets seems to be adequate to me.

I am surprised no one has sued a college or the NCAA for discrimination or something because athletes get more than the general student population, since the topic of the day is gender identity and gender equity. if it is about providing athletes spending money, change the rules to let them have jobs or earn work study money, like the rest of us had to do. I mean think of the walk-on to the team who gets no scholarship and has to pay the whole freight and pay his own cell phone bill to boot. If I were a baseball player or a soccer player I would be pissed because I am apparently not as worthy a representative of the University as a football or basketball player.

Again, my opinion, but this is just BS and undo privilege for already well privileged STUDENT athletes who get preference for housing, registration for classes, and added class and academic success support among other things.

I am sure I am about to get verbally beat up, but just remember this is only my opinion, you are welcome to your and I am welcome to mine.

I think the lawsuits are going to come. I am with you. I think a free college education is enough but I know they had to do it to stay competitive. Why are they entitled to help with travel, cellphones, entertainment when my college sophomore is not. My ex wife and I have to pick up those things and we are not raking in the big bugs.

Your college Sophomore does not bring hundreds of thousands of dollars to the university. Just the truth.

(05-13-2016 10:46 PM)Tbac3 Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 04:44 PM)odubsu Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 04:03 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 03:31 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  http://pilotonline.com/odu-will-pay-full...caa2f.html

Per Harry Minium report. Glad they worked that out so they can focus on the stadium.

I still think this is BS...the opportunity for a free college education that no one else on campus gets seems to be adequate to me.

I am surprised no one has sued a college or the NCAA for discrimination or something because athletes get more than the general student population, since the topic of the day is gender identity and gender equity. if it is about providing athletes spending money, change the rules to let them have jobs or earn work study money, like the rest of us had to do. I mean think of the walk-on to the team who gets no scholarship and has to pay the whole freight and pay his own cell phone bill to boot. If I were a baseball player or a soccer player I would be pissed because I am apparently not as worthy a representative of the University as a football or basketball player.

Again, my opinion, but this is just BS and undo privilege for already well privileged STUDENT athletes who get preference for housing, registration for classes, and added class and academic success support among other things.

I am sure I am about to get verbally beat up, but just remember this is only my opinion, you are welcome to your and I am welcome to mine.

I think the lawsuits are going to come. I am with you. I think a free college education is enough but I know they had to do it to stay competitive. Why are they entitled to help with travel, cellphones, entertainment when my college sophomore is not. My ex wife and I have to pick up those things and we are not raking in the big bugs.

Your college Sophomore does not bring hundreds of thousands of dollars to the university. Just the truth.

How much money is spent on Football and BB?
How much money is brought in from those two sports?

(05-13-2016 04:03 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 03:31 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  http://pilotonline.com/odu-will-pay-full...caa2f.html

Per Harry Minium report. Glad they worked that out so they can focus on the stadium.

I still think this is BS...the opportunity for a free college education that no one else on campus gets seems to be adequate to me.

I am surprised no one has sued a college or the NCAA for discrimination or something because athletes get more than the general student population, since the topic of the day is gender identity and gender equity. if it is about providing athletes spending money, change the rules to let them have jobs or earn work study money, like the rest of us had to do. I mean think of the walk-on to the team who gets no scholarship and has to pay the whole freight and pay his own cell phone bill to boot. If I were a baseball player or a soccer player I would be pissed because I am apparently not as worthy a representative of the University as a football or basketball player.

Again, my opinion, but this is just BS and undo privilege for already well privileged STUDENT athletes who get preference for housing, registration for classes, and added class and academic success support among other things.

I am sure I am about to get verbally beat up, but just remember this is only my opinion, you are welcome to your and I am welcome to mine.

Ditto for me. And I have already told ODAF that I will not contribute one extra penny to help cover the cost of this foolishness.

(05-13-2016 10:46 PM)Tbac3 Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 04:44 PM)odubsu Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 04:03 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 03:31 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  http://pilotonline.com/odu-will-pay-full...caa2f.html

Per Harry Minium report. Glad they worked that out so they can focus on the stadium.

I still think this is BS...the opportunity for a free college education that no one else on campus gets seems to be adequate to me.

I am surprised no one has sued a college or the NCAA for discrimination or something because athletes get more than the general student population, since the topic of the day is gender identity and gender equity. if it is about providing athletes spending money, change the rules to let them have jobs or earn work study money, like the rest of us had to do. I mean think of the walk-on to the team who gets no scholarship and has to pay the whole freight and pay his own cell phone bill to boot. If I were a baseball player or a soccer player I would be pissed because I am apparently not as worthy a representative of the University as a football or basketball player.

Again, my opinion, but this is just BS and undo privilege for already well privileged STUDENT athletes who get preference for housing, registration for classes, and added class and academic success support among other things.

I am sure I am about to get verbally beat up, but just remember this is only my opinion, you are welcome to your and I am welcome to mine.

I think the lawsuits are going to come. I am with you. I think a free college education is enough but I know they had to do it to stay competitive. Why are they entitled to help with travel, cellphones, entertainment when my college sophomore is not. My ex wife and I have to pick up those things and we are not raking in the big bugs.

Your college Sophomore does not bring hundreds of thousands of dollars to the university. Just the truth.

other than the 100,000 plus he will spend on his tuition and COA, no he will not bring in any additional money. If ODU uses the revenue they bring in for football and basketball to pay for their players COA, I don't have a problem with that. However, I don't want to see ODU go the route of increasing student fees to pay for this.

I don't care about the argument of how much the university makes off of them because as was pointed out earlier the university is spending about at least three times that in sponsoring the sport in the first place.

The only possible argument for COA is the inability of the student-athlete to work part time (like I did) for extra money due to time constraints and NCAA rules.

I foresee many troubles ahead with violations in COA payments; this is a huge Pandora's Box. It may actually be the catalyst in the separation of the P5 from the NCAA if enough P5 schools are cited for mismanaging the funds.

One game against Alabama, Michigan, Ohio State will take care of this. ODU is having to do this largely because of football anyway, let the football team get the money to cover it.

Would you prefer (as I do) to allow students to be paid what ever the market rate is for their abilities/demand, BUT remove the school budget completely out of it?

(05-14-2016 08:34 AM)odubsu Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 10:46 PM)Tbac3 Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 04:44 PM)odubsu Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 04:03 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 03:31 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  http://pilotonline.com/odu-will-pay-full...caa2f.html

Per Harry Minium report. Glad they worked that out so they can focus on the stadium.

I still think this is BS...the opportunity for a free college education that no one else on campus gets seems to be adequate to me.

I am surprised no one has sued a college or the NCAA for discrimination or something because athletes get more than the general student population, since the topic of the day is gender identity and gender equity. if it is about providing athletes spending money, change the rules to let them have jobs or earn work study money, like the rest of us had to do. I mean think of the walk-on to the team who gets no scholarship and has to pay the whole freight and pay his own cell phone bill to boot. If I were a baseball player or a soccer player I would be pissed because I am apparently not as worthy a representative of the University as a football or basketball player.

Again, my opinion, but this is just BS and undo privilege for already well privileged STUDENT athletes who get preference for housing, registration for classes, and added class and academic success support among other things.

I am sure I am about to get verbally beat up, but just remember this is only my opinion, you are welcome to your and I am welcome to mine.

I think the lawsuits are going to come. I am with you. I think a free college education is enough but I know they had to do it to stay competitive. Why are they entitled to help with travel, cellphones, entertainment when my college sophomore is not. My ex wife and I have to pick up those things and we are not raking in the big bugs.

Your college Sophomore does not bring hundreds of thousands of dollars to the university. Just the truth.

other than the 100,000 plus he will spend on his tuition and COA, no he will not bring in any additional money. If ODU uses the revenue they bring in for football and basketball to pay for their players COA, I don't have a problem with that. However, I don't want to see ODU go the route of increasing student fees to pay for this.

President Broderick already said student fees won't cover this. And in case you haven't been paying attention these last few years, student fees (for athletics) have to decrease.

(05-14-2016 08:54 AM)Friar Tuck 4400 Wrote:  I don't care about the argument of how much the university makes off of them because as was pointed out earlier the university is spending about at least three times that in sponsoring the sport in the first place.

The only possible argument for COA is the inability of the student-athlete to work part time (like I did) for extra money due to time constraints and NCAA rules.

I foresee many troubles ahead with violations in COA payments; this is a huge Pandora's Box. It may actually be the catalyst in the separation of the P5 from the NCAA if enough P5 schools are cited for mismanaging the funds.

Well getting rid of football would help. Then we would only have to cover COA for men's and women's basketball.... How much do you enjoy football games?

(05-14-2016 09:13 AM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(05-14-2016 08:54 AM)Friar Tuck 4400 Wrote:  I don't care about the argument of how much the university makes off of them because as was pointed out earlier the university is spending about at least three times that in sponsoring the sport in the first place.

The only possible argument for COA is the inability of the student-athlete to work part time (like I did) for extra money due to time constraints and NCAA rules.

I foresee many troubles ahead with violations in COA payments; this is a huge Pandora's Box. It may actually be the catalyst in the separation of the P5 from the NCAA if enough P5 schools are cited for mismanaging the funds.

Well getting rid of football would help. Then we would only have to cover COA for men's and women's basketball.... How much do you enjoy football games?

Great idea! Let's flush the millions of dollars we spent on starting football down the toilet and pretend it never happened.

I swear, Jim Jarrett must have multiple accounts on this board. This one, the one that swears that ODU football is doomed because we are playing .500 ball, and the one that maintains that Foreman Field is good enough for CUSA. We get it, Jim; you didn't want football, you were dead wrong, and now you are trying to make your case through anonymous message board accounts. Please stay in retirement where you belong, because you best serve ODU there.