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Shrug. I've always liked Calkins.

I also like the CA.
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(05-13-2016 09:17 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(05-13-2016 03:15 PM)kabluey Wrote:  There is only one factor that will be a predictable guide in this process- increasing revenue for the 10 existing members. Different individuals may have emotional bonds to other factors, but no other factor will be shared in importance as proving Memphis increases revenue the most of all options. Recall how St Louis misread who their opponents were in a perhaps rigged NFL decision. They presented the best stadium of the three cities, but not the best stadium of the 5 options, and thought that was enough. Dont misread this. 50-75% of the argument should be money, and the other 25 how this can benefit us.

This isnt about how the Big 12 can benefit us. They could give 2 sh1ts. This is how we benefit them, and benefit them more than not just Houston, Connecticut, the Florida schools, but benefit them more than staying at 10. If there are 24 other schools, make sure you present the best advantage to the Big 12 than your 25 opponents (the 25th being staying pat). Doesnt mean overanalyzing UNLV, but make sure you have the basics down.

Really, I dont know how involved Autozone and Nike are, or St Jude, but if they were 100% behind this, there are few places in the country with a #2, 3, 4 hitter like that in sports and (for St Jude) millenial marketing. ESPN could help by overpaying a network to guarantee Conn, but they are having some financial issues that perhaps the folks at Disney may not like if they are pushing the school in their backyard down in Fl. Maybe they iron it out and overcome it. I read that Uconn has the biggest existing revenue stream of the contenders. That is a huge adversary imo.

All this fluff Calkins put in the article is largely missing the point. Sure, some folks may be drawn to our strength in basketball, or how "appreciative" we'll be, and how important we'll make them feel. But everyone will be drawn to money.

If we dont translate to dollars, none of what Calkins said will overcome that. None. It's like talking about how good or bad a practice player AI was. The game is what matters, and the game is money.

Maybe it's how Calkins wrote it. I know he's not an enthusiastic civic booster in any of his media roles, and that lack of enthusiasm shows in his attempt at advocacy.

Maybe that works for the readers in the demographics the CA apparently targets and caters to.


Lmao.

It bothers you that he wrote something supportive of the Univ of Memphis.

Smh

I dont think it was supportive enough.

But, whatever you have to tell yourself to sleep better at night.
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(05-13-2016 02:32 PM)btiger Wrote:  its easy to see why you guys don't like calkins





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(05-13-2016 11:33 PM)Cletus Wrote:  
(05-13-2016 02:32 PM)btiger Wrote:  its easy to see why you guys don't like calkins






Have you guys not learned your btiger yet? He's trolling with that statement for fish and he caught several.
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(05-13-2016 08:34 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(05-13-2016 03:15 PM)kabluey Wrote:  There is only one factor that will be a predictable guide in this process- increasing revenue for the 10 existing members. Different individuals may have emotional bonds to other factors, but no other factor will be shared in importance as proving Memphis increases revenue the most of all options. Recall how St Louis misread who their opponents were in a perhaps rigged NFL decision. They presented the best stadium of the three cities, but not the best stadium of the 5 options, and thought that was enough. Dont misread this. 50-75% of the argument should be money, and the other 25 how this can benefit us.

This isnt about how the Big 12 can benefit us. They could give 2 sh1ts. This is how we benefit them, and benefit them more than not just Houston, Connecticut, the Florida schools, but benefit them more than staying at 10. If there are 24 other schools, make sure you present the best advantage to the Big 12 than your 25 opponents (the 25th being staying pat). Doesnt mean overanalyzing UNLV, but make sure you have the basics down.

Really, I dont know how involved Autozone and Nike are, or St Jude, but if they were 100% behind this, there are few places in the country with a #2, 3, 4 hitter like that in sports and (for St Jude) millenial marketing. ESPN could help by overpaying a network to guarantee Conn, but they are having some financial issues that perhaps the folks at Disney may not like if they are pushing the school in their backyard down in Fl. Maybe they iron it out and overcome it. I read that Uconn has the biggest existing revenue stream of the contenders. That is a huge adversary imo.

All this fluff Calkins put in the article is largely missing the point. Sure, some folks may be drawn to our strength in basketball, or how "appreciative" we'll be, and how important we'll make them feel. But everyone will be drawn to money.

If we dont translate to dollars, none of what Calkins said will overcome that. None. It's like talking about how good or bad a practice player AI was. The game is what matters, and the game is money.

Maybe it's how Calkins wrote it. I know he's not an enthusiastic civic booster in any of his media roles, and that lack of enthusiasm shows in his attempt at advocacy.

Maybe that works for the readers in the demographics the CA apparently targets and caters to.


thank you Mr Sunshine..... Do you know that it is 99% likely that Memphis brings the highest $$$ value to the existing 10 members of the Big12? 03-idea

I've read this somewhere before. Hmmm; where was it???

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(05-13-2016 02:37 PM)btiger Wrote:  
(05-13-2016 02:35 PM)Tigx Wrote:  
(05-13-2016 02:32 PM)btiger Wrote:  its easy to see why you guys don't like calkins

I like Calkins, but this board loves to criticize the media.

Curious btiger, what in the Calkins article did you not like?

he compared our fans to kentucky fans

That's such a Kentucky thing to get mad about
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(05-13-2016 09:28 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Shrug. I've always liked Calkins.

I also like the CA.

Me too.I even like Wolo
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(05-13-2016 02:35 PM)Tigx Wrote:  
(05-13-2016 02:32 PM)btiger Wrote:  its easy to see why you guys don't like calkins

I like Calkins, but this board loves to criticize the media.

Curious btiger, what in the Calkins article did you not like?

Tigx, B is being factious. Calkins wrote a glowing article about our university. Nothing to get riled about, it's just B's manner of speaking, nothing more. I'll give B one thing, he can get folks to bite when many can't.
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(05-13-2016 03:15 PM)kabluey Wrote:  There is only one factor that will be a predictable guide in this process- increasing revenue for the 10 existing members. Different individuals may have emotional bonds to other factors, but no other factor will be shared in importance as proving Memphis increases revenue the most of all options. Recall how St Louis misread who their opponents were in a perhaps rigged NFL decision. They presented the best stadium of the three cities, but not the best stadium of the 5 options, and thought that was enough. Dont misread this. 50-75% of the argument should be money, and the other 25 how this can benefit us.

This isnt about how the Big 12 can benefit us. They could give 2 sh1ts. This is how we benefit them, and benefit them more than not just Houston, Connecticut, the Florida schools, but benefit them more than staying at 10. If there are 24 other schools, make sure you present the best advantage to the Big 12 than your 25 opponents (the 25th being staying pat). Doesnt mean overanalyzing UNLV, but make sure you have the basics down.

Really, I dont know how involved Autozone and Nike are, or St Jude, but if they were 100% behind this, there are few places in the country with a #2, 3, 4 hitter like that in sports and (for St Jude) millenial marketing. ESPN could help by overpaying a network to guarantee Conn, but they are having some financial issues that perhaps the folks at Disney may not like if they are pushing the school in their backyard down in Fl. Maybe they iron it out and overcome it. I read that Uconn has the biggest existing revenue stream of the contenders. That is a huge adversary imo.

All this fluff Calkins put in the article is largely missing the point. Sure, some folks may be drawn to our strength in basketball, or how "appreciative" we'll be, and how important we'll make them feel. But everyone will be drawn to money.

If we dont translate to dollars, none of what Calkins said will overcome that. None. It's like talking about how good or bad a practice player AI was. The game is what matters, and the game is money.

Maybe it's how Calkins wrote it. I know he's not an enthusiastic civic booster in any of his media roles, and that lack of enthusiasm shows in his attempt at advocacy.

Maybe that works for the readers in the demographics the CA apparently targets and caters to.

This. Funny, something about Calk's column didn't sit well with me. I thought it was because I had already heard his points on his radio show. But calling it fluff it the issue exactly.
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(05-13-2016 03:15 PM)kabluey Wrote:  There is only one factor that will be a predictable guide in this process- increasing revenue for the 10 existing members.......

If you believe public statements, there IS no a predictable guide. Texas, with annual athletic revenue of about $170 million, already has plenty of money and apparently TCU and Texas Tech are afraid to vote against them. The Longhorns publicly say that that academics and perceptions are very important to them. Are the public statements a smokescreen and posturing? I hope so.
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(05-13-2016 02:40 PM)Tigx Wrote:  
(05-13-2016 02:37 PM)btiger Wrote:  
(05-13-2016 02:35 PM)Tigx Wrote:  
(05-13-2016 02:32 PM)btiger Wrote:  its easy to see why you guys don't like calkins

I like Calkins, but this board loves to criticize the media.

Curious btiger, what in the Calkins article did you not like?

he compared our fans to kentucky fans

Wow, Calkins is complimenting our fan base for its passion, and you see that as a negative?

"But another word for that craziness is passion. Since when is that a bad thing? Alabama football fans are crazy. Kentucky basketball fans are crazy. You sensing a theme here? The best programs tend to be those that care the most. Memphians care as much or more than anyone."

The best football program and best basketball program have crazy fans that expect dominance? Count me in
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(05-13-2016 08:34 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  
(05-13-2016 03:15 PM)kabluey Wrote:  There is only one factor that will be a predictable guide in this process- increasing revenue for the 10 existing members. Different individuals may have emotional bonds to other factors, but no other factor will be shared in importance as proving Memphis increases revenue the most of all options. Recall how St Louis misread who their opponents were in a perhaps rigged NFL decision. They presented the best stadium of the three cities, but not the best stadium of the 5 options, and thought that was enough. Dont misread this. 50-75% of the argument should be money, and the other 25 how this can benefit us.

This isnt about how the Big 12 can benefit us. They could give 2 sh1ts. This is how we benefit them, and benefit them more than not just Houston, Connecticut, the Florida schools, but benefit them more than staying at 10. If there are 24 other schools, make sure you present the best advantage to the Big 12 than your 25 opponents (the 25th being staying pat). Doesnt mean overanalyzing UNLV, but make sure you have the basics down.

Really, I dont know how involved Autozone and Nike are, or St Jude, but if they were 100% behind this, there are few places in the country with a #2, 3, 4 hitter like that in sports and (for St Jude) millenial marketing. ESPN could help by overpaying a network to guarantee Conn, but they are having some financial issues that perhaps the folks at Disney may not like if they are pushing the school in their backyard down in Fl. Maybe they iron it out and overcome it. I read that Uconn has the biggest existing revenue stream of the contenders. That is a huge adversary imo.

All this fluff Calkins put in the article is largely missing the point. Sure, some folks may be drawn to our strength in basketball, or how "appreciative" we'll be, and how important we'll make them feel. But everyone will be drawn to money.

If we dont translate to dollars, none of what Calkins said will overcome that. None. It's like talking about how good or bad a practice player AI was. The game is what matters, and the game is money.

Maybe it's how Calkins wrote it. I know he's not an enthusiastic civic booster in any of his media roles, and that lack of enthusiasm shows in his attempt at advocacy.

Maybe that works for the readers in the demographics the CA apparently targets and caters to.


thank you Mr Sunshine..... Do you know that it is 99% likely that Memphis brings the highest $$$ value to the existing 10 members of the Big12? 03-idea

Only team that had brought money to the table in the name of a sponsorship.

Outside of entrance fees, are other schools saying they are paying the Big XII money?

The factor is the Big XII's revenues increase enough that the new school aren't lowing revenues in average for all the schools. If it is true that the current contracts require the national TV deals to increase to pay two new schools currently level, then short term and long term effect on revenue and payout is what matters. And if FedEx is going to pay the Big XII millions more annually than they would get otherwise, then that's going to be the most attractive package.
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(05-13-2016 07:01 PM)3601 Wrote:  
(05-13-2016 02:14 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  ...[H]ere are six reasons Memphis is the obvious choice to join Cincinnati as the newest additions to your league: ...

HERE >>>

http://www.commercialappeal.com/columnis...19261.html


And finishes with >>>

…Indeed, I'm reminded of University of Oklahoma president David Boren's comments about Louisville, when he lamented that the Big 12 "let Louisville get away." Boren — who had lobbied to add Louisville to the Big 12 — said, "I obviously did not prevail, and they have now gone into another conference and they're not available now. But they'd have been a good fit."

In many ways, Memphis is Louisville. Or Louisville is what Memphis could easily be. They're both urban universities, located in mid-sized cities, with the ability to dominate interest in those cities in a way that is both remarkable and rare. The primary difference between the two schools has been the quality of their leadership. And Memphis has quality leadership now.

So do not pass up the opportunity a second time. Do not be fooled by some other pitch. If you choose to expand by two schools, do not let Memphis get away.

It is known that Boren was smitten on Louisville. I said a while back that we should do all we can to convince him that we are the next UL.

True --- and Memphis is posed to become the next 'Louisville' for all of the reasons Calkins mentioned. Let's hope this real potential doesn't escape the selectors -- again.
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