The list is garbage, it's the AAC then everyone else. Our worst school would still beat C-USA and the Mountain West's best team by 28. Facts are facts, from top to bottom the AAC is a top 3 conference.

(05-13-2016 04:05 PM)GreenWave16 Wrote:  The list is garbage, it's the AAC then everyone else. Our worst school would still beat C-USA and the Mountain West's best team by 28. Facts are facts, from top to bottom the AAC is a top 3 conference.

Only problem is c-usa beat usf last year.

Toledo 32 Temple 17 . Temple was only able to score 1 TD against the Rockets. Good chance team will be better than last season.

When your best offensive player is hurt, it doesn't help. Our offense should be much better this year.

(05-13-2016 01:39 PM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  Really tough to see any AAC team ranked behind App, Toledo, WMU, GSU, Air Force, NIU, BG, Arkansas state, or CMU, aside from maybe Tulane and SMU. The schedules they play just aren't even comparable. If your ECU last year your playing @Navy, @UF,@BYU,@UConn. Compared to App for example who is playing ODU, Wyoming, Georgia State, Idaho, South Alabama etc. Or WMU whos playing Murray State,CMU, Ball State, Eastern Michigan etc.

Just need the conference to keep showing up in OOC and get more respect I guess.

you have an unrealistic view of the world we live in.

(05-13-2016 08:39 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 01:39 PM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  Really tough to see any AAC team ranked behind App, Toledo, WMU, GSU, Air Force, NIU, BG, Arkansas state, or CMU, aside from maybe Tulane and SMU. The schedules they play just aren't even comparable. If your ECU last year your playing @Navy, @UF,@BYU,@UConn. Compared to App for example who is playing ODU, Wyoming, Georgia State, Idaho, South Alabama etc. Or WMU whos playing Murray State,CMU, Ball State, Eastern Michigan etc.

Just need the conference to keep showing up in OOC and get more respect I guess.

you have an unrealistic view of the world we live in.

I don't agree with the "any AAC team" comment simply because that doesn't allow for occasional poor performance years that all programs suffer; but do agree that most AAC programs should consistently be ranked ahead of that majority of the programs he listed.

(05-13-2016 10:34 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 08:39 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 01:39 PM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  Really tough to see any AAC team ranked behind App, Toledo, WMU, GSU, Air Force, NIU, BG, Arkansas state, or CMU, aside from maybe Tulane and SMU. The schedules they play just aren't even comparable. If your ECU last year your playing @Navy, @UF,@BYU,@UConn. Compared to App for example who is playing ODU, Wyoming, Georgia State, Idaho, South Alabama etc. Or WMU whos playing Murray State,CMU, Ball State, Eastern Michigan etc.

Just need the conference to keep showing up in OOC and get more respect I guess.

you have an unrealistic view of the world we live in.

I don't agree with the "any AAC team" comment simply because that doesn't allow for occasional poor performance years that all programs suffer; but do agree that most AAC programs should consistently be ranked ahead of that majority of the programs he listed.

he uses the classic argument of Team A is better than Team B because Team A plays (lists toughest teams on schedule) but Team B plays (lists weakest teams on schedule).

For instance, he justifies ECU (his favorite team) as being better than WMU (a MAC team) by cherry picking their schedules from last year like this-

ECU- Navy, BYU, UF, UConn
WMU- Murray St, CMU, Ball St, Eastern Michigan

now let me try that, using the same two teams-

ECU- Towson, UCF, SMU, UConn
WMU- Michigan, Ohio State, Toledo, Bowling Green

see how easy that is? WMU also scored a win over a ranked team last year, something ECU failed to do.

(05-13-2016 11:59 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 10:34 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 08:39 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 01:39 PM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  Really tough to see any AAC team ranked behind App, Toledo, WMU, GSU, Air Force, NIU, BG, Arkansas state, or CMU, aside from maybe Tulane and SMU. The schedules they play just aren't even comparable. If your ECU last year your playing @Navy, @UF,@BYU,@UConn. Compared to App for example who is playing ODU, Wyoming, Georgia State, Idaho, South Alabama etc. Or WMU whos playing Murray State,CMU, Ball State, Eastern Michigan etc.

Just need the conference to keep showing up in OOC and get more respect I guess.

you have an unrealistic view of the world we live in.

I don't agree with the "any AAC team" comment simply because that doesn't allow for occasional poor performance years that all programs suffer; but do agree that most AAC programs should consistently be ranked ahead of that majority of the programs he listed.

he uses the classic argument of Team A is better than Team B because Team A plays (lists toughest teams on schedule) but Team B plays (lists weakest teams on schedule).

For instance, he justifies ECU (his favorite team) as being better than WMU (a MAC team) by cherry picking their schedules from last year like this-

ECU- Navy, BYU, UF, UConn
WMU- Murray St, CMU, Ball St, Eastern Michigan

now let me try that, using the same two teams-

ECU- Towson, UCF, SMU, UConn
WMU- Michigan, Ohio State, Toledo, Bowling Green

see how easy that is? WMU also scored a win over a ranked team last year, something ECU failed to do.

Good point anyone can twist facts for their benefit. Some one who is truly objective though will be able to figure out the truth.

(05-13-2016 11:59 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 10:34 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 08:39 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 01:39 PM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  Really tough to see any AAC team ranked behind App, Toledo, WMU, GSU, Air Force, NIU, BG, Arkansas state, or CMU, aside from maybe Tulane and SMU. The schedules they play just aren't even comparable. If your ECU last year your playing @Navy, @UF,@BYU,@UConn. Compared to App for example who is playing ODU, Wyoming, Georgia State, Idaho, South Alabama etc. Or WMU whos playing Murray State,CMU, Ball State, Eastern Michigan etc.

Just need the conference to keep showing up in OOC and get more respect I guess.

you have an unrealistic view of the world we live in.

I don't agree with the "any AAC team" comment simply because that doesn't allow for occasional poor performance years that all programs suffer; but do agree that most AAC programs should consistently be ranked ahead of that majority of the programs he listed.

he uses the classic argument of Team A is better than Team B because Team A plays (lists toughest teams on schedule) but Team B plays (lists weakest teams on schedule).

For instance, he justifies ECU (his favorite team) as being better than WMU (a MAC team) by cherry picking their schedules from last year like this-

ECU- Navy, BYU, UF, UConn
WMU- Murray St, CMU, Ball St, Eastern Michigan

now let me try that, using the same two teams-

ECU- Towson, UCF, SMU, UConn
WMU- Michigan, Ohio State, Toledo, Bowling Green

see how easy that is? WMU also scored a win over a ranked team last year, something ECU failed to do.

That's fine, you have your opinion, I have mine. Go ahead and list out the complete schedule for each team and see which one is better since my argument wasn't fair, that would make the case even more. You can even take ECU out of the argument, we were bad last year I know that. How about Cincy, Memphis, Temple?

ECU also beat a P5 team last year in a year where we were horrible, something WMU failed to do.

(05-14-2016 08:22 AM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 11:59 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 10:34 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 08:39 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 01:39 PM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  Really tough to see any AAC team ranked behind App, Toledo, WMU, GSU, Air Force, NIU, BG, Arkansas state, or CMU, aside from maybe Tulane and SMU. The schedules they play just aren't even comparable. If your ECU last year your playing @Navy, @UF,@BYU,@UConn. Compared to App for example who is playing ODU, Wyoming, Georgia State, Idaho, South Alabama etc. Or WMU whos playing Murray State,CMU, Ball State, Eastern Michigan etc.

Just need the conference to keep showing up in OOC and get more respect I guess.

you have an unrealistic view of the world we live in.

I don't agree with the "any AAC team" comment simply because that doesn't allow for occasional poor performance years that all programs suffer; but do agree that most AAC programs should consistently be ranked ahead of that majority of the programs he listed.

he uses the classic argument of Team A is better than Team B because Team A plays (lists toughest teams on schedule) but Team B plays (lists weakest teams on schedule).

For instance, he justifies ECU (his favorite team) as being better than WMU (a MAC team) by cherry picking their schedules from last year like this-

ECU- Navy, BYU, UF, UConn
WMU- Murray St, CMU, Ball St, Eastern Michigan

now let me try that, using the same two teams-

ECU- Towson, UCF, SMU, UConn
WMU- Michigan, Ohio State, Toledo, Bowling Green

see how easy that is? WMU also scored a win over a ranked team last year, something ECU failed to do.

That's fine, you have your opinion, I have mine. Go ahead and list out the complete schedule for each team and see which one is better since my argument wasn't fair, that would make the case even more. You can even take ECU out of the argument, we were bad last year I know that. How about Cincy, Memphis, Temple?

ECU also beat a P5 team last year in a year where we were horrible, something WMU failed to do.

your right, WMU failed to beat at #6 Michigan State and #4 Ohio State but ECU beat VaTech so ECU is obviously superior.

How about Cinci, Memphis and Temple? Cinci beat Miami(3-9) by 3pts, Memphis beat BGSU by 3pts and Temple beat UMass(3-9) by 2pts. I don't see this great, huge divide that is supposed to be so obvious. Sorry.

Moral victories, nice. All that tells me AAC>MAC head to head. I see your an Ohio fan, still salty about our bowl game?

(05-14-2016 09:40 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  your right, WMU failed to beat at #6 Michigan State and #4 Ohio State but ECU beat VaTech so ECU is obviously superior.

How about Cinci, Memphis and Temple? Cinci beat Miami(3-9) by 3pts, Memphis beat BGSU by 3pts and Temple beat UMass(3-9) by 2pts. I don't see this great, huge divide that is supposed to be so obvious. Sorry.

bgsu beat everyone not named toledo in the Mac by an average of 30
having our "technically" 5th place team beat your champion by 3 proves your point how?

(05-14-2016 09:40 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(05-14-2016 08:22 AM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 11:59 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 10:34 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 08:39 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  you have an unrealistic view of the world we live in.

I don't agree with the "any AAC team" comment simply because that doesn't allow for occasional poor performance years that all programs suffer; but do agree that most AAC programs should consistently be ranked ahead of that majority of the programs he listed.

he uses the classic argument of Team A is better than Team B because Team A plays (lists toughest teams on schedule) but Team B plays (lists weakest teams on schedule).

For instance, he justifies ECU (his favorite team) as being better than WMU (a MAC team) by cherry picking their schedules from last year like this-

ECU- Navy, BYU, UF, UConn
WMU- Murray St, CMU, Ball St, Eastern Michigan

now let me try that, using the same two teams-

ECU- Towson, UCF, SMU, UConn
WMU- Michigan, Ohio State, Toledo, Bowling Green

see how easy that is? WMU also scored a win over a ranked team last year, something ECU failed to do.

That's fine, you have your opinion, I have mine. Go ahead and list out the complete schedule for each team and see which one is better since my argument wasn't fair, that would make the case even more. You can even take ECU out of the argument, we were bad last year I know that. How about Cincy, Memphis, Temple?

ECU also beat a P5 team last year in a year where we were horrible, something WMU failed to do.

your right, WMU failed to beat at #6 Michigan State and #4 Ohio State but ECU beat VaTech so ECU is obviously superior.

How about Cinci, Memphis and Temple? Cinci beat Miami(3-9) by 3pts, Memphis beat BGSU by 3pts and Temple beat UMass(3-9) by 2pts. I don't see this great, huge divide that is supposed to be so obvious. Sorry.

ECU lost by 7 in the swamp, Memphis beat Ole Miss, UH beat Vandy...not seeing a divide between AAC and SEC

(05-14-2016 10:41 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-14-2016 09:40 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  your right, WMU failed to beat at #6 Michigan State and #4 Ohio State but ECU beat VaTech so ECU is obviously superior.

How about Cinci, Memphis and Temple? Cinci beat Miami(3-9) by 3pts, Memphis beat BGSU by 3pts and Temple beat UMass(3-9) by 2pts. I don't see this great, huge divide that is supposed to be so obvious. Sorry.

bgsu beat everyone not named toledo in the Mac by an average of 30
having our "technically" 5th place team beat your champion by 3 proves your point how?

my point was you can't cherry pick match ups to make whole cloth assumptions about teams or leagues. Glad to see you agree with me.

i dont agree, to the extent he doesn, but i full believe believe the AAC is far above the other G4

it has zero to do wit individual games, it has little to do wit individually seasons

we are dramatically out-recruiting ever other G5 and its not remotely close..(our league average is around 65-70 nationally, it dramatically drops to 90-110 for the rest of the g4 averages)

we dramatically pay our coaches better (we averaged 1.5mil , the rest of the g4 averages like 500k, the mwc probably around 800k) for getting better coaches and being able to keep them away from lower p5 programs

our facilites and budget also have huge similar gaps

upsets happen, having random great seasons with underfunded undertalented teams occasionally happens ..but in the long run money and recruiting is a hard divide that will be hard to vercome

(05-14-2016 01:47 PM)pesik Wrote:  i dont agree, to the extent he doesn, but i full believe believe the AAC is far above the other G4

it has zero to do wit individual games, it has little to do wit individually seasons

we are dramatically out-recruiting ever other G5 and its not remotely close..(our league average is around 65-70 nationally, it dramatically drops to 90-110 for the rest of the g4 averages)

we dramatically pay our coaches better (we averaged 1.5mil , the rest of the g4 averages like 500k, the mwc probably around 800k) for getting better coaches and being able to keep them away from lower p5 programs

our facilites and budget also have huge similar gaps

upsets happen, having random great seasons with underfunded undertalented teams occasionally happens ..but in the long run money and recruiting is a hard divide that will be hard to vercome

Hopefully we can keep it up.

(05-14-2016 10:46 AM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(05-14-2016 09:40 AM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(05-14-2016 08:22 AM)DownEastPirate Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 11:59 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 10:34 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  I don't agree with the "any AAC team" comment simply because that doesn't allow for occasional poor performance years that all programs suffer; but do agree that most AAC programs should consistently be ranked ahead of that majority of the programs he listed.

he uses the classic argument of Team A is better than Team B because Team A plays (lists toughest teams on schedule) but Team B plays (lists weakest teams on schedule).

For instance, he justifies ECU (his favorite team) as being better than WMU (a MAC team) by cherry picking their schedules from last year like this-

ECU- Navy, BYU, UF, UConn
WMU- Murray St, CMU, Ball St, Eastern Michigan

now let me try that, using the same two teams-

ECU- Towson, UCF, SMU, UConn
WMU- Michigan, Ohio State, Toledo, Bowling Green

see how easy that is? WMU also scored a win over a ranked team last year, something ECU failed to do.

That's fine, you have your opinion, I have mine. Go ahead and list out the complete schedule for each team and see which one is better since my argument wasn't fair, that would make the case even more. You can even take ECU out of the argument, we were bad last year I know that. How about Cincy, Memphis, Temple?

ECU also beat a P5 team last year in a year where we were horrible, something WMU failed to do.

your right, WMU failed to beat at #6 Michigan State and #4 Ohio State but ECU beat VaTech so ECU is obviously superior.

How about Cinci, Memphis and Temple? Cinci beat Miami(3-9) by 3pts, Memphis beat BGSU by 3pts and Temple beat UMass(3-9) by 2pts. I don't see this great, huge divide that is supposed to be so obvious. Sorry.

ECU lost by 7 in the swamp, Memphis beat Ole Miss, UH beat Vandy...not seeing a divide between AAC and SEC

every AAC team would have a losing record in the SEC in football...be real dude

(05-13-2016 03:53 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 02:09 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Not terrible. Virtually the entire conference is in the top half.

he seems low on our top teams, even houston despite naming them #1...most have houston on top by a wide margin, he has houston barely on top..if he made a national top 25 im not sure he'd have houston top 25

but he doesnt see any team in our league low/horrific i bet our average is dramatically better than any other g5

I'm certain he wouldn't. His "model" has us projected in the 50's, right?

He's a moron.

(05-15-2016 12:29 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 03:53 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 02:09 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Not terrible. Virtually the entire conference is in the top half.

he seems low on our top teams, even houston despite naming them #1...most have houston on top by a wide margin, he has houston barely on top..if he made a national top 25 im not sure he'd have houston top 25

but he doesnt see any team in our league low/horrific i bet our average is dramatically better than any other g5

I'm certain he wouldn't. His "model" has us projected in the 50's, right?

He's a moron.

It's definitely hard to take him seriously.