The new rule really takes away much incentive to redshirt players at our level and develop them. If they pan out and are smart, they graduate then they're free agents and move on to a dream school. We may as well play them whatever we can and only redshirt if a medical problem arises. PTJR, what is the history of this rule and how long has it been in effect? I assume the Big schools are behind it.

The rule sort of works both ways. Didn't we pick up Andrew Green this past season who fit that mold? I guess you'll win some and lose some. There are plenty of players each year who fit this criteria, so if you can get a good one for your program every once in awhile, that's a benefit. And you only lose a player in that situation who has already graduated, so in reality you wouldn't expect him to be here anyway. I guess a good attorney could argue both sides of the question.

(05-13-2016 10:35 AM)Karl B Wrote:  The new rule really takes away much incentive to redshirt players at our level and develop them. If they pan out and are smart, they graduate then they're free agents and move on to a dream school. We may as well play them whatever we can and only redshirt if a medical problem arises. PTJR, what is the history of this rule and how long has it been in effect? I assume the Big schools are behind it.

I really don't know how this rule came about, but I think it's another example of the NCAA having good intentions but not thinking through how the rule would impact schools. I believe that the original thought was that if a kid had graduated, still had eligibility, and wanted to pursue a graduate degree that the school he graduated from didn't offer, then the kid should be allowed to transfer to pursue that degree without having to sit out. Fine.

The problem is that there is zero confirmation that these transfers are 1) transferring to a school and actually enrolling in a degree program that their undergraduate school didn't offer, or 2) that the undergraduate school didn't actually offer the same degree. So, as it is now, if a kid graduates he can go anywhere he wants without sitting out regardless of whether the original goals of why the rule was instituted have been met or not.

The net effect is that a big school can cherry pick these players from the smaller schools that developed the players free of risk. If the player turns out to be as good at the higher level as the big schools thought he might, they come up aces. If he doesn't pan out as well as they thought, no problem, his scholarship will again be available next year. The smaller schools that spent four years developing the kid gets screwed.

If the NCAA would actually enforce the original intent re the degree program, lack of it at the undergraduate school, and that the transfer actually entered the degree program, it might work in an equitable fashion. But since the NCAA doesn't do any of that, it is a license to steal players for the big boys with the glitter.

You are spot on about the redshirt deal though. A smaller school should NEVER voluntarily redshirt a player and leave themselves vulnerable to having the player stolen if their development of the player is too good.

Never redshirt a good young player. And find good jucos who are ready to contribute. Even signing good high school players, they could transfer to a larger school in a year or two. John Gillon. Perfect example. Kid from Western a number of years ago, who transferred to Kentucky, sat out a year, and was their starting point guard for two seasons.

I guess the only answer is to make your program the dream program. Make kids want to play at your school. Keep winning championships and making waves in the NCAA tournament, and then you begin to find a lot of good players who want to play for you. Easier said then done, but that's the goal.

(05-14-2016 11:49 AM)outsideualr Wrote:  Never redshirt a good young player. And find good jucos who are ready to contribute. Even signing good high school players, they could transfer to a larger school in a year or two. John Gillon. Perfect example. Kid from Western a number of years ago, who transferred to Kentucky, sat out a year, and was their starting point guard for two seasons.

I guess the only answer is to make your program the dream program. Make kids want to play at your school. Keep winning championships and making waves in the NCAA tournament, and then you begin to find a lot of good players who want to play for you. Easier said then done, but that's the goal.

You keep missing the point here. If a kid wants to transfer and is willing to sit out a year to do so, and the receiving school is willing to burn a scholarship on a kid while he sits out, then so be it. If these graduated players had to sit out a year I'd have no problem with that either. It usually takes two years to get a graduate degree anyway if that was really the purpose. It's the immediate eligibility that causes the problem.

Well to be fair, coaches can leave whenever they want, but kids are tied up pretty tight. Maybe this levels the playing field a little. In Mo's case, I think he's already been working on his graduate degree, so he might only need one more year to complete his Masters degree. I was impressed that he and his Dad made a seventeen hour round trip to tell Wes in person, rather than do it over the telephone. I thought that showed a lot of class. We now have one and done, and maybe this should be knows as one and none. One year for the player and none for the school.

(05-14-2016 12:07 PM)outsideualr Wrote:  Well to be fair, coaches can leave whenever they want, but kids are tied up pretty tight. Maybe this levels the playing field a little. In Mo's case, I think he's already been working on his graduate degree, so he might only need one more year to complete his Masters degree. I was impressed that he and his Dad made a seventeen hour round trip to tell Wes in person, rather than do it over the telephone. I thought that showed a lot of class. We now have one and done, and maybe this should be knows as one and none. One year for the player and none for the school.

If Mo was already working on his Masters Degree at Little Rock, that would be a prime Exhibit A of what BS this rule is!

It is what it is. I wonder how this ever came about in the first place.