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Off the burner. Okla leaving also not happening. No more off season excitement this year.

(05-13-2016 08:25 AM)westwolf Wrote:  http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca.../84298114/

Off the burner. Okla leaving also not happening. No more off season excitement this year.

We’re a member of the Big 12,” he said. “We don’t plan on going anywhere. … We want to help strengthen this (conference) whatever way.”

Yeah, I remember several Big East schools saying that very same thing, including the One I pull for but things change in the blink of an eye when it goes South !
Big 12 is the New Big East. History has a way of repeating itself.

Yeah but, we also had our own Benadict Arnold (Pittsburg). So the Big 12 has Texas and OU, they are doomed. Death to the Big 12, give way to the rise of the American.

OU to be sure wants OUT.

The problem is the GOR which in retrospect they shouldn't have agreed to.

The only option in the meantime to raise fortunes is a conference network.

A conference network, as Boren correctly pointed out requires expansion to 12 or 14 teams to provide the inventory necessary to make it viable.

To expand its going to take TCU and Baylor to smell the color of money. That is quite possible.

Add UConn, Temple, Cincinnati and Memphis for some serious product, IMO.

(05-13-2016 04:58 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  OU to be sure wants OUT.

The problem is the GOR which in retrospect they shouldn't have agreed to.

The only option in the meantime to raise fortunes is a conference network.

A conference network, as Boren correctly pointed out requires expansion to 12 or 14 teams to provide the inventory necessary to make it viable.

To expand its going to take TCU and Baylor to smell the color of money. That is quite possible.

Add UConn, Temple, Cincinnati and Memphis for some serious product, IMO.

Isn't TCU beholden to Texas for sponsoring its B12 membership?

Plus the Texas schools know Texas is a goose that lays the golden eggs. If Texas leaves, the B12 is kaput.

In my opinion, if just Texas left the XII would continue to be given the same CFP payout as the other four. Not sure what happens to their primary media rights contracts. Some loss of value, sure. But I don't see why the rest couldn't carry on. OU, OK St, TCU and Baylor have good teams, with the latter three also having the "marketing flash factor" (Oregon) to varying degrees.

(05-13-2016 05:12 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  In my opinion, if just Texas left the XII would continue to be given the same CFP payout as the other four. Not sure what happens to their primary media rights contracts. Some loss of value, sure. But I don't see why the rest couldn't carry on. OU, OK St, TCU and Baylor have good teams, with the latter three also having the "marketing flash factor" (Oregon) to varying degrees.

I don't think the B12 would get a cut if Texas left.

The situation would be more that future growth curve of TV rights for the B12 would be severely diminished.

Don't forget the old BE was offered 11 million per school a year 5 years ago as a 16 team hybrid. OSU, OU, Baylor and TCU are more valuable than any of the football schools the BE had, and the BE's most valuable WVU is now in the B12 with them.

(05-13-2016 05:17 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 05:12 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  In my opinion, if just Texas left the XII would continue to be given the same CFP payout as the other four. Not sure what happens to their primary media rights contracts. Some loss of value, sure. But I don't see why the rest couldn't carry on. OU, OK St, TCU and Baylor have good teams, with the latter three also having the "marketing flash factor" (Oregon) to varying degrees.

I don't think the B12 would get a cut if Texas left.

The situation would be more that future growth curve of TV rights for the B12 would be severely diminished.

Don't forget the old BE was offered 11 million per school a year 5 years ago as a 16 team hybrid. OSU, OU, Baylor and TCU are more valuable than any of the football schools the BE had, and the BE's most valuable WVU is now in the B12 with them.

The football schools would have made $15 million in ESPN's final offer, more than the ACC was making at the time.

(05-13-2016 06:50 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 05:17 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 05:12 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  In my opinion, if just Texas left the XII would continue to be given the same CFP payout as the other four. Not sure what happens to their primary media rights contracts. Some loss of value, sure. But I don't see why the rest couldn't carry on. OU, OK St, TCU and Baylor have good teams, with the latter three also having the "marketing flash factor" (Oregon) to varying degrees.

I don't think the B12 would get a cut if Texas left.

The situation would be more that future growth curve of TV rights for the B12 would be severely diminished.

Don't forget the old BE was offered 11 million per school a year 5 years ago as a 16 team hybrid. OSU, OU, Baylor and TCU are more valuable than any of the football schools the BE had, and the BE's most valuable WVU is now in the B12 with them.

The football schools would have made $15 million in ESPN's final offer, more than the ACC was making at the time.

So the crap known as B12 minus Texas should at least be worth 15 mill...

(05-13-2016 08:25 AM)westwolf Wrote:  http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca.../84298114/

Off the burner. Okla leaving also not happening. No more off season excitement this year.

Yup. Expansion is over. Not for "now," but pretty much for good.

The gap between the "haves" of the Power conferences and the "have-nots" of the G5 is so large that in a few years, the teams of the G5 will not be competitive with the others. Right now, the gap between a University of Cincinnati and some like TCU, Kansas State, and Texas Tech is fairly negligible. But that will not be the case going forward.

If these teams are not ready "now" they certainly will not be any time down the road. In fact, the situation will only worsen as time goes on.

Expansion outside the Power conferences is done.

(05-13-2016 05:17 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 05:12 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  In my opinion, if just Texas left the XII would continue to be given the same CFP payout as the other four. Not sure what happens to their primary media rights contracts. Some loss of value, sure. But I don't see why the rest couldn't carry on. OU, OK St, TCU and Baylor have good teams, with the latter three also having the "marketing flash factor" (Oregon) to varying degrees.

I don't think the B12 would get a cut if Texas left.

The situation would be more that future growth curve of TV rights for the B12 would be severely diminished.

Don't forget the old BE was offered 11 million per school a year 5 years ago as a 16 team hybrid. OSU, OU, Baylor and TCU are more valuable than any of the football schools the BE had, and the BE's most valuable WVU is now in the B12 with them.

Well, there you go, a rare case where I agree with you basically 100%.

If Texas and only Texas were to leave, the Big12 would expand by 3-5 with the best of the MWC and AAC, based on the reputed votes against expansion being Texas and two schools following Texas' lead, and the five votes for expansion including Oklahoma, which the rest of the Big12 would be anxious to hold onto.

Houston would be a shoe-in, since the out of Texas schools want games in Texas ... and that would be including Oklahoma. Then it could be something like UC, Boise, Colorado State, and maybe Memphis if they have kept up their relative competitiveness in the meantime.

The big question mark in the premise is, of course, whether or not Oklahoma would stay. Given the complementarity of Oklahoma's fan base to Texas A&M's in both Dallas-Fort Worth and Houston, the SEC ought to leap at the chance to woo them away. But then unless the SEC makes an offer to the Pokes as well, both Bedlam and the Red River Rivalry would be out of conference games, setting Oklahoma up for a permanent disadvantage compared to the puffball OOC schedules that many of their SEC West rivals will be facing.