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RE: We Don’t Need the ACC Network (Link)
(05-13-2016 08:06 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  A different perspective from Gabe Duverge at Cardinal Connect.
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http://www.thecardinalconnect.com/we-don...c-network/

Let me summarize:
The current dedicated conference cable channel pays HUGE money. But it will eventually, someday, be displaced by an OTA model, which is versatile, and tech-cool, but pays substantially less. The author thinks a forward-thinking conference like the ACC should rush to be the first adopter of the low-paying model.
Won't they look so very smart?
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FSU needs to keep up with UF, the ACC needs the network to keep FSU.
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RE: We Don’t Need the ACC Network (Link)
In regards to the OP: an "over the top" distribution method is a huge mistake for the ACC. Similarly, a huge mistake for any channel of television content.

It works for HBO (and to a lesser extent, Showtime) because that's a special case.


Don't get me wrong, the future of pay-TV is going to be distribution via the internet. Sling proved the model can work and now that Playstation VUE (which is a much better deal than Sling) and even Hulu are in the game, everyone is going to start piling in. Traditional, proprietary land-line & satellite pay-TV systems are going to be around for decades more, but eventually it will all go to the internet.

But that should not be confused with every channel adopting a "go it alone/charge end-users a direct fee" type of model. Channels don't want that. Consumers don't want that -- except the few ala-carte zealots who've always been around, but lately have been emboldened by the "cord-cutting" fad.
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RE: We Don’t Need the ACC Network (Link)
(05-13-2016 08:42 PM)Realignment Wrote:  I think you can argue the whole selling point of the ACC Network is their basketball product and you could say Baseball/Softball plus LaCrosse. But mainly you would have it for Men's & Women's Basketball and it almost makes the ACC not picking UConn and instead going with Louisville laughable. Right now the Big 12 would be back to its number 12 with Cincinnati & Louisville getting invites ASAP.
If it was part of convincing FSU to sign the GOR, it would have been well worth it. The media value of the ESPN contract for an ACC without FSU is a lot different from the media value of the ESPN for an ACC with FSU.
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(05-14-2016 08:46 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  FSU needs to keep up with UF, the ACC needs the network to keep FSU.

Yes. FSU doesn't benchmark itself against other ACC schools, save for Miami. It benchmarks against the SEC schools in its neighborhood, primarily Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, and most of all, Florida.

And in Tallahassee they are acutely aware that they are falling way behind these SEC powers money-wise. That puts loads of pressure on the ACC admins to boost revenue, because of FSU's football status.

Clemson also benchmarks itself against SEC powers not ACC schools, and it is feeling the same heat.

FSU and Clemson are the reasons anyone cares about ACC football at all. So they carry great weight even amongst the Carolina elitists.
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RE: We Don’t Need the ACC Network (Link)
(05-14-2016 09:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-14-2016 08:46 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  FSU needs to keep up with UF, the ACC needs the network to keep FSU.

Yes. FSU doesn't benchmark itself against other ACC schools, save for Miami. It benchmarks against the SEC schools in its neighborhood, primarily Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, and most of all, Florida.

And in Tallahassee they are acutely aware that they are falling way behind these SEC powers money-wise. That puts loads of pressure on the ACC admins to boost revenue, because of FSU's football status.

Clemson also benchmarks itself against SEC powers not ACC schools, and it is feeling the same heat.

FSU and Clemson are the reasons anyone cares about ACC football at all. So they carry great weight even amongst the Carolina elitists.

I have to say I kind of agree with this, but I don't see many options for FSU or Clemson also. Unless the SEC starts showing more interest to get these schools, they are going nowhere. It works both ways.
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RE: We Don’t Need the ACC Network (Link)
(05-14-2016 09:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-14-2016 08:46 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  FSU needs to keep up with UF, the ACC needs the network to keep FSU.

Yes. FSU doesn't benchmark itself against other ACC schools, save for Miami. It benchmarks against the SEC schools in its neighborhood, primarily Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, and most of all, Florida.

And in Tallahassee they are acutely aware that they are falling way behind these SEC powers money-wise. That puts loads of pressure on the ACC admins to boost revenue, because of FSU's football status.

Clemson also benchmarks itself against SEC powers not ACC schools, and it is feeling the same heat.

FSU and Clemson are the reasons anyone cares about ACC football at all. So they carry great weight even amongst the Carolina elitists.

Oh how awful it must be to play and win national titles in The ACC. It's oh so much better to be Bama's tackling dummy in The SEC....
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RE: We Don’t Need the ACC Network (Link)
(05-14-2016 04:18 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(05-14-2016 09:50 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-14-2016 08:46 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  FSU needs to keep up with UF, the ACC needs the network to keep FSU.

Yes. FSU doesn't benchmark itself against other ACC schools, save for Miami. It benchmarks against the SEC schools in its neighborhood, primarily Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, and most of all, Florida.

And in Tallahassee they are acutely aware that they are falling way behind these SEC powers money-wise. That puts loads of pressure on the ACC admins to boost revenue, because of FSU's football status.

Clemson also benchmarks itself against SEC powers not ACC schools, and it is feeling the same heat.

FSU and Clemson are the reasons anyone cares about ACC football at all. So they carry great weight even amongst the Carolina elitists.

Oh how awful it must be to play and win national titles in The ACC. It's oh so much better to be Bama's tackling dummy in The SEC....

It works now because the money is similar. 10 years from now it won't be. Even the mediocre schools of the SEC will pass FSU in facilities.
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(05-15-2016 06:06 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  It works now because the money is similar. 10 years from now it won't be. Even the mediocre schools of the SEC will pass FSU in facilities.

And that is the problem with fans of some programs....
They worry too much about money they don't have. P5 money never won a game at any program. IU and UK have been racking in the big conference welfare checks for decades and still have terrible facilities.

Louisville won Three BCS Bowls (Fiesta, Orange, Sugar), Three National Titles in Basketball (80, 86, 13), and made Three CWS appearances (07, 13, 14) with zero dollars from P5.

It's more than money. It's a commitment to win. Boise State has done the same thing. Programs like FSU, Clemson, Syracuse and Miami will be successful no matter what conference they are in. I believe our friends at Memphis, Houston and Cincinnati are just beginning to scratch the surface of their potential. Watch how successful they are now that they gave started investing in their programs.
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Indiana and Kentucky have terrible facilities?
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(05-15-2016 08:19 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(05-15-2016 06:06 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  It works now because the money is similar. 10 years from now it won't be. Even the mediocre schools of the SEC will pass FSU in facilities.

And that is the problem with fans of some programs....
They worry too much about money they don't have. P5 money never won a game at any program. IU and UK have been racking in the big conference welfare checks for decades and still have terrible facilities.

Louisville won Three BCS Bowls (Fiesta, Orange, Sugar), Three National Titles in Basketball (80, 86, 13), and made Three CWS appearances (07, 13, 14) with zero dollars from P5.

It's more than money. It's a commitment to win. Boise State has done the same thing. Programs like FSU, Clemson, Syracuse and Miami will be successful no matter what conference they are in. I believe our friends at Memphis, Houston and Cincinnati are just beginning to scratch the surface of their potential. Watch how successful they are now that they gave started investing in their programs.

I think you miss the point: From a t-shirt fan's perspective, winning is what matters most. But from the institution's perspective, money is the bottom line. IU and and UK don't have gleaming football facilities because they don't choose to use their money on that, they have other priorities.

National titles and the like are for t-shirt fans and alumni bragging. Institutions would far rather have tons of money coming in than win. That's the bottom line.

Any school would rather be Purdue, with all its B1G money rolling in, than UConn, who needs to soak its students with a $28m subsidy to spend as much on athletics as Purdue, and with all those basketball title banners in the rafters.

Winning is just a means to an end - making money. If you win, fans get excited and buy more tickets, more merchandise, etc. that's why schools do care about winning and fire losing coaches. But money is the end itself.
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(05-15-2016 08:22 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Indiana and Kentucky have terrible facilities?

Terrible is being kind...
Until the recent expansion Kentucky's football recruiting room was folding tables and chairs in a corner of the Nutter Center.

At IU the roof is caving in at Memorial.



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Indiana has a relatively new football facility as part of the north endzone closing in Memorial stadium (2009). Relatively new basketball practice facility (2010). Next they're going to close the south endzone in Memorial stadium (2018).

You guys can't be serious.
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The problem for the ACC is that they have 4 schools in one state. It is tough to get new tv markets or networks with that many schools. They could do something like trace NC State to SEC for Auburn. Used the Auburn Vs Alabama as the last week of the season as a ACC Vs SEC contests. Send Virginia Tech and Memphis to the Big 12 and they could add Cincinnati to take Virginia Tech's place. Gives the ACC two new markets, and give the Big 12 a P5 school is expansion along with a power basketball school in Memphis.
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(05-15-2016 03:11 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The problem for the ACC is that they have 4 schools in one state. It is tough to get new tv markets or networks with that many schools. They could do something like trace NC State to SEC for Auburn. Used the Auburn Vs Alabama as the last week of the season as a ACC Vs SEC contests. Send Virginia Tech and Memphis to the Big 12 and they could add Cincinnati to take Virginia Tech's place. Gives the ACC two new markets, and give the Big 12 a P5 school is expansion along with a power basketball school in Memphis.

BTW, Va Tech is NOT in NC. Trading VT would not help, and in fact, hurts the ACC.
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(05-15-2016 05:13 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(05-15-2016 03:11 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The problem for the ACC is that they have 4 schools in one state. It is tough to get new tv markets or networks with that many schools. They could do something like trace NC State to SEC for Auburn. Used the Auburn Vs Alabama as the last week of the season as a ACC Vs SEC contests. Send Virginia Tech and Memphis to the Big 12 and they could add Cincinnati to take Virginia Tech's place. Gives the ACC two new markets, and give the Big 12 a P5 school is expansion along with a power basketball school in Memphis.

BTW, Va Tech is NOT in NC. Trading VT would not help, and in fact, hurts the ACC.


ACC would help stop the bleeding, but Virginia Tech would be a travel partner for West Virginia in the Big 12. NC State could go to the SEC as number 15. Oklahoma could be SEC number 16. UConn, UMass, Navy, Temple, East Carolina, UCF, USF and some eastern schools could go to a Power conferences if the ACC, SEC, Big 12 and the AAC do trading of schools.
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