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(05-12-2016 10:43 PM)Kronke Wrote:  UT to the Pac. OU to the SEC. Only a matter of time.

Agree, both will be gone at some point. IMO, both TX and OK wind up in the SEC.
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One of the main things I've learned in expansion is that when something is going to actually happen it happens quickly and with very little public discussion. These things don't get negotiated out in public. They happen in backrooms and usually there's no warning until it happens. That goes from the highest level moves to the lowest level moves. Hell I remember the day ECU got the invite to the Big East Tulane got leaked first and not a single ECU source anywhere knew ECU was about to get an invite. There weren't even any rumors or grumblings about it possibly happening. This has all just been posturing.
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(05-12-2016 09:35 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Posted by Dodd an hour ago...

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...sion-talk/


Time to form best of rest

05-stirthepot Looks like Oklahoma could be tiring of Texas's obstructionism and isrt getting Kansas and thier self ready for their move to the Big 10! 07-coffee3
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(05-13-2016 08:23 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  I don’t think this prevents expansion at all, I think it just puts it on hold for 8 years and this will all start right back again under another scenario.

Texas holds firm on not giving up the guaranteed money of the LHN for the unknown money of the Big12 network and ESPN isn’t going to pen Texas a check for 250 million to make the LHN go away. Texas agrees to expansion with the stipulation that it’s with current P5 members which we all know isn’t happening. Formal notice is given that Big12 expansion is on hold.

Oklahoma says screw this mess and gets on the phone with the BIG or SEC and gets the hell out of the Big12 (because they can). From that point expansion talks are on the table with all of the usual suspects (Memphis, UC, UConn, BYU, ect) because now at 9 they are forced to expand, but you end up with a situation similar to the old Big East. Everyone pledges allegiance to the Big12 while in the same time they are shopping for a better home. The schools that can move do (Kansas, OSU, Texas, WVU and maybe Baylor), and the remnants are left behind to pick the best 6, 8 or maybe even 10 programs from the AAC and MWC to make the Big12 the weakest Power 5 or what some will start calling the true tweener conference. Just like the old Big East it will become a challenge to add programs of value quicker than members leave the Big12 and the challenge will be to try and hold the conferences TV contract value.

IMO this only delays what will end up happening eventually, it’s just the Big12 that the AAC schools end up in will look nothing like it does today.

FIFY
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(05-13-2016 01:16 PM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  
(05-13-2016 08:23 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  I don’t think this prevents expansion at all, I think it just puts it on hold for 8 years and this will all start right back again under another scenario.

Texas holds firm on not giving up the guaranteed money of the LHN for the unknown money of the Big12 network and ESPN isn’t going to pen Texas a check for 250 million to make the LHN go away. Texas agrees to expansion with the stipulation that it’s with current P5 members which we all know isn’t happening. Formal notice is given that Big12 expansion is on hold.

Oklahoma says screw this mess and gets on the phone with the BIG or SEC and gets the hell out of the Big12 (because they can). From that point expansion talks are on the table with all of the usual suspects (Memphis, UC, UConn, BYU, ect) because now at 9 they are forced to expand, but you end up with a situation similar to the old Big East. Everyone pledges allegiance to the Big12 while in the same time they are shopping for a better home. The schools that can move do (Kansas, OSU, Texas, WVU and maybe Baylor), and the remnants are left behind to pick the best 6, 8 or maybe even 10 programs from the AAC and MWC to make the Big12 the weakest Power 5 or what some will start calling the true tweener conference. Just like the old Big East it will become a challenge to add programs of value quicker than members leave the Big12 and the challenge will be to try and hold the conferences TV contract value.

IMO this only delays what will end up happening eventually, it’s just the Big12 that the AAC schools end up in will look nothing like it does today.

FIFY

Ya I really think if it doesn't happen this year it will be a while before expansion happens.
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(05-13-2016 01:16 PM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  
(05-13-2016 08:23 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  I don’t think this prevents expansion at all, I think it just puts it on hold for 8 years and this will all start right back again under another scenario.

Texas holds firm on not giving up the guaranteed money of the LHN for the unknown money of the Big12 network and ESPN isn’t going to pen Texas a check for 250 million to make the LHN go away. Texas agrees to expansion with the stipulation that it’s with current P5 members which we all know isn’t happening. Formal notice is given that Big12 expansion is on hold.

Oklahoma says screw this mess and gets on the phone with the BIG or SEC and gets the hell out of the Big12 (because they can). From that point expansion talks are on the table with all of the usual suspects (Memphis, UC, UConn, BYU, ect) because now at 9 they are forced to expand, but you end up with a situation similar to the old Big East. Everyone pledges allegiance to the Big12 while in the same time they are shopping for a better home. The schools that can move do (Kansas, OSU, Texas, WVU and maybe Baylor), and the remnants are left behind to pick the best 6, 8 or maybe even 10 programs from the AAC and MWC to make the Big12 the weakest Power 5 or what some will start calling the true tweener conference. Just like the old Big East it will become a challenge to add programs of value quicker than members leave the Big12 and the challenge will be to try and hold the conferences TV contract value.

IMO this only delays what will end up happening eventually, it’s just the Big12 that the AAC schools end up in will look nothing like it does today.

FIFY

If the Big12 Network doesn’t happen how long do you think it will take Oklahoma to find a new conference home? You really think they are going to sit back, play second fiddle to Texas and let the BIG and SEC move 20 million per year (revenue number quoted by the OK president) ahead of them in revenue for 8 years?

They will announce a new conference home in less than 12 months and how many teams the Big12 adds will only be limited by how many schools follow Oklahoma. The conference won't operate at 9.
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(05-13-2016 01:01 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  One of the main things I've learned in expansion is that when something is going to actually happen it happens quickly and with very little public discussion. These things don't get negotiated out in public. They happen in backrooms and usually there's no warning until it happens. That goes from the highest level moves to the lowest level moves. Hell I remember the day ECU got the invite to the Big East Tulane got leaked first and not a single ECU source anywhere knew ECU was about to get an invite. There weren't even any rumors or grumblings about it possibly happening. This has all just been posturing.

Yes there were. I posted 2 days before it happened on this very board that it was imminent.
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(05-13-2016 01:44 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  
(05-13-2016 01:16 PM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  
(05-13-2016 08:23 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  I don’t think this prevents expansion at all, I think it just puts it on hold for 8 years and this will all start right back again under another scenario.

Texas holds firm on not giving up the guaranteed money of the LHN for the unknown money of the Big12 network and ESPN isn’t going to pen Texas a check for 250 million to make the LHN go away. Texas agrees to expansion with the stipulation that it’s with current P5 members which we all know isn’t happening. Formal notice is given that Big12 expansion is on hold.

Oklahoma says screw this mess and gets on the phone with the BIG or SEC and gets the hell out of the Big12 (because they can). From that point expansion talks are on the table with all of the usual suspects (Memphis, UC, UConn, BYU, ect) because now at 9 they are forced to expand, but you end up with a situation similar to the old Big East. Everyone pledges allegiance to the Big12 while in the same time they are shopping for a better home. The schools that can move do (Kansas, OSU, Texas, WVU and maybe Baylor), and the remnants are left behind to pick the best 6, 8 or maybe even 10 programs from the AAC and MWC to make the Big12 the weakest Power 5 or what some will start calling the true tweener conference. Just like the old Big East it will become a challenge to add programs of value quicker than members leave the Big12 and the challenge will be to try and hold the conferences TV contract value.

IMO this only delays what will end up happening eventually, it’s just the Big12 that the AAC schools end up in will look nothing like it does today.

FIFY

If the Big12 Network doesn’t happen how long do you think it will take Oklahoma to find a new conference home? You really think they are going to sit back, play second fiddle to Texas and let the BIG and SEC move 20 million per year (revenue number quoted by the OK president) ahead of them in revenue for 8 years?

They will announce a new conference home in less than 12 months and how many teams the Big12 adds will only be limited by how many schools follow Oklahoma. The conference won't operate at 9.

GOR GOR GOR
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(05-13-2016 02:56 PM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  
(05-13-2016 01:44 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  
(05-13-2016 01:16 PM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  
(05-13-2016 08:23 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  I don’t think this prevents expansion at all, I think it just puts it on hold for 8 years and this will all start right back again under another scenario.

Texas holds firm on not giving up the guaranteed money of the LHN for the unknown money of the Big12 network and ESPN isn’t going to pen Texas a check for 250 million to make the LHN go away. Texas agrees to expansion with the stipulation that it’s with current P5 members which we all know isn’t happening. Formal notice is given that Big12 expansion is on hold.

Oklahoma says screw this mess and gets on the phone with the BIG or SEC and gets the hell out of the Big12 (because they can). From that point expansion talks are on the table with all of the usual suspects (Memphis, UC, UConn, BYU, ect) because now at 9 they are forced to expand, but you end up with a situation similar to the old Big East. Everyone pledges allegiance to the Big12 while in the same time they are shopping for a better home. The schools that can move do (Kansas, OSU, Texas, WVU and maybe Baylor), and the remnants are left behind to pick the best 6, 8 or maybe even 10 programs from the AAC and MWC to make the Big12 the weakest Power 5 or what some will start calling the true tweener conference. Just like the old Big East it will become a challenge to add programs of value quicker than members leave the Big12 and the challenge will be to try and hold the conferences TV contract value.

IMO this only delays what will end up happening eventually, it’s just the Big12 that the AAC schools end up in will look nothing like it does today.

FIFY

If the Big12 Network doesn’t happen how long do you think it will take Oklahoma to find a new conference home? You really think they are going to sit back, play second fiddle to Texas and let the BIG and SEC move 20 million per year (revenue number quoted by the OK president) ahead of them in revenue for 8 years?

They will announce a new conference home in less than 12 months and how many teams the Big12 adds will only be limited by how many schools follow Oklahoma. The conference won't operate at 9.

GOR GOR GOR

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(05-13-2016 03:22 PM)Bull Wrote:  
(05-13-2016 02:56 PM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  
(05-13-2016 01:44 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  
(05-13-2016 01:16 PM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  
(05-13-2016 08:23 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  I don’t think this prevents expansion at all, I think it just puts it on hold for 8 years and this will all start right back again under another scenario.

Texas holds firm on not giving up the guaranteed money of the LHN for the unknown money of the Big12 network and ESPN isn’t going to pen Texas a check for 250 million to make the LHN go away. Texas agrees to expansion with the stipulation that it’s with current P5 members which we all know isn’t happening. Formal notice is given that Big12 expansion is on hold.

Oklahoma says screw this mess and gets on the phone with the BIG or SEC and gets the hell out of the Big12 (because they can). From that point expansion talks are on the table with all of the usual suspects (Memphis, UC, UConn, BYU, ect) because now at 9 they are forced to expand, but you end up with a situation similar to the old Big East. Everyone pledges allegiance to the Big12 while in the same time they are shopping for a better home. The schools that can move do (Kansas, OSU, Texas, WVU and maybe Baylor), and the remnants are left behind to pick the best 6, 8 or maybe even 10 programs from the AAC and MWC to make the Big12 the weakest Power 5 or what some will start calling the true tweener conference. Just like the old Big East it will become a challenge to add programs of value quicker than members leave the Big12 and the challenge will be to try and hold the conferences TV contract value.

IMO this only delays what will end up happening eventually, it’s just the Big12 that the AAC schools end up in will look nothing like it does today.

FIFY

If the Big12 Network doesn’t happen how long do you think it will take Oklahoma to find a new conference home? You really think they are going to sit back, play second fiddle to Texas and let the BIG and SEC move 20 million per year (revenue number quoted by the OK president) ahead of them in revenue for 8 years?

They will announce a new conference home in less than 12 months and how many teams the Big12 adds will only be limited by how many schools follow Oklahoma. The conference won't operate at 9.

GOR GOR GOR

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(05-13-2016 01:47 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(05-13-2016 01:01 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  One of the main things I've learned in expansion is that when something is going to actually happen it happens quickly and with very little public discussion. These things don't get negotiated out in public. They happen in backrooms and usually there's no warning until it happens. That goes from the highest level moves to the lowest level moves. Hell I remember the day ECU got the invite to the Big East Tulane got leaked first and not a single ECU source anywhere knew ECU was about to get an invite. There weren't even any rumors or grumblings about it possibly happening. This has all just been posturing.

Yes there were. I posted 2 days before it happened on this very board that it was imminent.

Do you want a gold star or something. You're not exactly ESPN.
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(05-13-2016 04:28 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  
(05-13-2016 01:47 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(05-13-2016 01:01 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  One of the main things I've learned in expansion is that when something is going to actually happen it happens quickly and with very little public discussion. These things don't get negotiated out in public. They happen in backrooms and usually there's no warning until it happens. That goes from the highest level moves to the lowest level moves. Hell I remember the day ECU got the invite to the Big East Tulane got leaked first and not a single ECU source anywhere knew ECU was about to get an invite. There weren't even any rumors or grumblings about it possibly happening. This has all just been posturing.

Yes there were. I posted 2 days before it happened on this very board that it was imminent.

Do you want a gold star or something. You're not exactly ESPN.

I'll take one!
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(05-13-2016 12:53 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  
(05-13-2016 12:50 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-13-2016 12:41 PM)TopCoog2016 Wrote:  
(05-13-2016 11:52 AM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  
(05-13-2016 05:41 AM)TopCoog2016 Wrote:  I do not want any part of the PAC, its insane. Just stay where we are and build this league. We are turning into a bunch of grovelers.

Don't be silly the PAC-12 would be awesome. Besides the money and exposer, getting to play teams like usc and Oregon every year would draw huge crowds in Houston.
this may be the dumbest idea posted here. we are going to send all of our minor sports to the west coast? This is not what college sports is suppose to be about.

But its cool to send them across the nation in the east? Same difference, just 20 million more per year, direct access to the CFP, and instantly better standing among all recruits. Look, its as simple as this---it doesn't matter which the P5 conference it is---like every other member of this conference, we are saying yes to the first P5 that asks us to join.

Exactly why would you turn down winning the lottery because you don't wan't to have travel. Sorry geography can no longer play a factor in this day and age of college football if you want to stay relative.

100% agree... A PAC invitation will be the one thing Houston would need to officially claim Southeast Texas as their own.
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(05-13-2016 01:47 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(05-13-2016 01:01 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  One of the main things I've learned in expansion is that when something is going to actually happen it happens quickly and with very little public discussion. These things don't get negotiated out in public. They happen in backrooms and usually there's no warning until it happens. That goes from the highest level moves to the lowest level moves. Hell I remember the day ECU got the invite to the Big East Tulane got leaked first and not a single ECU source anywhere knew ECU was about to get an invite. There weren't even any rumors or grumblings about it possibly happening. This has all just been posturing.

Yes there were. I posted 2 days before it happened on this very board that it was imminent.

Yes you did. I remember when you stated it, because people didn't initially believe you over on the expansion board due to you not having the actual date that it would happen; but you stated that you were advised that it was going to be soon.

Please let us know if and when Lebo is going to get the heave ho. Much appreciated.
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