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(08-24-2017 02:21 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  I posted on this board the other day that Northwestern and Colorado had scheduled a home-and-home series for next decade. If that's the case then it would make sense to put Colorado and Northwestern in the same division. Nebraska would act as a bridge to connect the eastern and western spheres of influence. In that case, I would pick Utah and the Salt Lake market over Kansas. Then create a "Pac 8" division for the West Coast and Arizona schools. The "Central Division" would for certain cover a vast amount of territory but would include the Chicago, Minneapolis, Milwaukee, Omaha, Denver and Salt Lake markets. That covers a lot of people. Poor Purdue gets put in the East but I don't think they'd really mind in the end. 03-wink

I'm open to that idea and I know it's not perfect and needs work but, like I've said, certain conditions have to be present before looking into it seriously.

If 24 is the goal then I like your thinking, but I would bet Arizona would get the call over Utah. It borders both Colorado and California.

Pacific: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, California, Stanford, USC, UCLA
Central: Arizona, Colorado, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern
Eastern: Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers
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(08-24-2017 08:53 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(08-24-2017 02:21 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  I posted on this board the other day that Northwestern and Colorado had scheduled a home-and-home series for next decade. If that's the case then it would make sense to put Colorado and Northwestern in the same division. Nebraska would act as a bridge to connect the eastern and western spheres of influence. In that case, I would pick Utah and the Salt Lake market over Kansas. Then create a "Pac 8" division for the West Coast and Arizona schools. The "Central Division" would for certain cover a vast amount of territory but would include the Chicago, Minneapolis, Milwaukee, Omaha, Denver and Salt Lake markets. That covers a lot of people. Poor Purdue gets put in the East but I don't think they'd really mind in the end. 03-wink

I'm open to that idea and I know it's not perfect and needs work but, like I've said, certain conditions have to be present before looking into it seriously.

If 24 is the goal then I like your thinking, but I would bet Arizona would get the call over Utah. It borders both Colorado and California.

Pacific: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, California, Stanford, USC, UCLA
Central: Arizona, Colorado, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern
Eastern: Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers

Those are interesting divisions and could definitely work. The only issues I see are that the B1G "traditionalists" are howling now, imagine what the reaction would be if Iowa doesn't get to play Purdue every year!!!! Oh the humanity!!!

The other is that I highly doubt that Arizona goes anywhere without ASU. They might be tied at the hip even more so that OU and OSU. In that sense, adding Utah might be easier. Arizona and ASU with TX to the ACC maybe?
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(08-24-2017 08:53 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(08-24-2017 02:21 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  I posted on this board the other day that Northwestern and Colorado had scheduled a home-and-home series for next decade. If that's the case then it would make sense to put Colorado and Northwestern in the same division. Nebraska would act as a bridge to connect the eastern and western spheres of influence. In that case, I would pick Utah and the Salt Lake market over Kansas. Then create a "Pac 8" division for the West Coast and Arizona schools. The "Central Division" would for certain cover a vast amount of territory but would include the Chicago, Minneapolis, Milwaukee, Omaha, Denver and Salt Lake markets. That covers a lot of people. Poor Purdue gets put in the East but I don't think they'd really mind in the end. 03-wink

I'm open to that idea and I know it's not perfect and needs work but, like I've said, certain conditions have to be present before looking into it seriously.

If 24 is the goal then I like your thinking, but I would bet Arizona would get the call over Utah. It borders both Colorado and California.

Pacific: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, California, Stanford, USC, UCLA
Central: Arizona, Colorado, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern
Eastern: Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers

Those are interesting divisions and could definitely work. The only issues I see are that the B1G "traditionalists" are howling now, imagine what the reaction would be if Iowa doesn't get to play Purdue every year!!!! Oh the humanity!!!

The other is that I highly doubt that Arizona goes anywhere without ASU. They might be tied at the hip even more so that OU and OSU. In that sense, adding Utah might be easier. Arizona and ASU with TX to the ACC maybe?

I love conference tradition. I would prefer more independents, the 10-team B1G, the Big 8, the SWC, etc. That being said, tradition is sadly fading away quickly.

The Arizonas may joined at the hip and that would be obvious should anyone try to split them. Utah isn't a bad option either. The Arizonas may be okay getting annual games in a Texas. Easier to recruit in Texas and California is next door.
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(08-24-2017 08:53 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  If 24 is the goal then I like your thinking, but I would bet Arizona would get the call over Utah. It borders both Colorado and California.

Pacific: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, California, Stanford, USC, UCLA
Central: Arizona, Colorado, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern
Eastern: Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers
I'd insert Connecticut and delete either Washington St or Oregon St.
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(08-24-2017 10:13 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(08-24-2017 09:46 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(08-24-2017 08:53 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(08-24-2017 02:21 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  I posted on this board the other day that Northwestern and Colorado had scheduled a home-and-home series for next decade. If that's the case then it would make sense to put Colorado and Northwestern in the same division. Nebraska would act as a bridge to connect the eastern and western spheres of influence. In that case, I would pick Utah and the Salt Lake market over Kansas. Then create a "Pac 8" division for the West Coast and Arizona schools. The "Central Division" would for certain cover a vast amount of territory but would include the Chicago, Minneapolis, Milwaukee, Omaha, Denver and Salt Lake markets. That covers a lot of people. Poor Purdue gets put in the East but I don't think they'd really mind in the end. 03-wink

I'm open to that idea and I know it's not perfect and needs work but, like I've said, certain conditions have to be present before looking into it seriously.

If 24 is the goal then I like your thinking, but I would bet Arizona would get the call over Utah. It borders both Colorado and California.

Pacific: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, California, Stanford, USC, UCLA
Central: Arizona, Colorado, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern
Eastern: Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers

Those are interesting divisions and could definitely work. The only issues I see are that the B1G "traditionalists" are howling now, imagine what the reaction would be if Iowa doesn't get to play Purdue every year!!!! Oh the humanity!!!

The other is that I highly doubt that Arizona goes anywhere without ASU. They might be tied at the hip even more so that OU and OSU. In that sense, adding Utah might be easier. Arizona and ASU with TX to the ACC maybe?

I love conference tradition. I would prefer more independents, the 10-team B1G, the Big 8, the SWC, etc. That being said, tradition is sadly fading away quickly.

The Arizonas may joined at the hip and that would be obvious should anyone try to split them. Utah isn't a bad option either. The Arizonas may be okay getting annual games in a Texas. Easier to recruit in Texas and California is next door.

I'm in the school of "traditional" is overrated.

Sure it's nice to see schools you have history with, maybe even a little contempt for, but familiarity can lead to complacency which breeds mediocrity.

I think shaking up the status quo can not only be helpful, but be interesting as well. In your divisional break down, as a Wisconsin fan, I'd gladly give up seeing Purdue or Illinois on a yearly basis if it means someone like SC rolls into town more often. Me thinks the networks would likely feel that way as well.

Maybe it's just me.
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(08-24-2017 12:53 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  
(08-24-2017 08:53 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  If 24 is the goal then I like your thinking, but I would bet Arizona would get the call over Utah. It borders both Colorado and California.

Pacific: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, California, Stanford, USC, UCLA
Central: Arizona, Colorado, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern
Eastern: Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers
I'd insert Connecticut and delete either Washington St or Oregon St.

That's fair - I think Connecticut is a better option on all fronts. I just think the PAC schools will put up a fight for their brethren.
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(08-24-2017 01:33 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(08-24-2017 10:13 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(08-24-2017 09:46 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(08-24-2017 08:53 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  [quote='Transic_nyc' pid='14523428' dateline='1503559294']I posted on this board the other day that Northwestern and Colorado had scheduled a home-and-home series for next decade. If that's the case then it would make sense to put Colorado and Northwestern in the same division. Nebraska would act as a bridge to connect the eastern and western spheres of influence. In that case, I would pick Utah and the Salt Lake market over Kansas. Then create a "Pac 8" division for the West Coast and Arizona schools. The "Central Division" would for certain cover a vast amount of territory but would include the Chicago, Minneapolis, Milwaukee, Omaha, Denver and Salt Lake markets. That covers a lot of people. Poor Purdue gets put in the East but I don't think they'd really mind in the end. 03-wink

I'm open to that idea and I know it's not perfect and needs work but, like I've said, certain conditions have to be present before looking into it seriously.

If 24 is the goal then I like your thinking, but I would bet Arizona would get the call over Utah. It borders both Colorado and California.

Pacific: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, California, Stanford, USC, UCLA
Central: Arizona, Colorado, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern
Eastern: Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers

Those are interesting divisions and could definitely work. The only issues I see are that the B1G "traditionalists" are howling now, imagine what the reaction would be if Iowa doesn't get to play Purdue every year!!!! Oh the humanity!!!

The other is that I highly doubt that Arizona goes anywhere without ASU. They might be tied at the hip even more so that OU and OSU. In that sense, adding Utah might be easier. Arizona and ASU with TX to the ACC maybe?

I love conference tradition. I would prefer more independents, the 10-team B1G, the Big 8, the SWC, etc. That being said, tradition is sadly fading away quickly.

The Arizonas may joined at the hip and that would be obvious should anyone try to split them. Utah isn't a bad option either. The Arizonas may be okay getting annual games in a Texas. Easier to recruit in Texas and California is next door.

Quote:I'm in the school of "traditional" is overrated.

Its totally subjective. I personally traditional is out-the-door unless and until schools get fed up with it.

Quote:Sure it's nice to see schools you have history with, maybe even a little contempt for, but familiarity can lead to complacency which breeds mediocrity.

I've used that phrase (and I like it because it has merit) but does that apply to conference traditionalism? lol

Quote:I think shaking up the status quo can not only be helpful, but be interesting as well.

I agree! Which is why I'm an advocate for divisionless conferences. Keep a couple rivals on the schedule every year and rotate the others!

Quote:In your divisional break down, as a Wisconsin fan, I'd gladly give up seeing Purdue or Illinois on a yearly basis if it means someone like SC rolls into town more often. Me thinks the networks would likely feel that way as well.

It would be an easy sell. I imagine there could come a time when a decent number of power schools split from the rest and form their own division. Something like 48.

PAC
West: Washington, Oregon, California, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona St
East: Utah, Colorado, Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas

SEC
West: Texas A&M, Arkansas, LSU, Mississippi, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Kentucky
East: Florida, Florida St, Miami, Georgia, Georgia Tech, South Carolina, Clemson, North Carolina St

B1G
West: Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St
East: Notre Dame, Penn St, Maryland, Virginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina, Pittsburgh, Syracuse

Left out: Washington St, Oregon St, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Kansas St, Iowa St, West Virginia, Mississippi St, Vanderbilt, Duke, Wake Forest, Louisville, Boston College, Northwestern, Purdue, Rutgers
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(08-24-2017 02:15 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(08-24-2017 12:53 PM)NJ2MDTerp Wrote:  
(08-24-2017 08:53 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  If 24 is the goal then I like your thinking, but I would bet Arizona would get the call over Utah. It borders both Colorado and California.

Pacific: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, California, Stanford, USC, UCLA
Central: Arizona, Colorado, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern
Eastern: Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers
I'd insert Connecticut and delete either Washington St or Oregon St.

That's fair - I think Connecticut is a better option on all fronts. I just think the PAC schools will put up a fight for their brethren.
I think the ideal 24 school Big Ten would look like this:

Pacific: Washington, Oregon, California, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Arizona, Colorado
Central: Oklahoma, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern, Indiana
Eastern: Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers, Connecticut

The Mountain West Conference would benefit from the additions of Washington St, Oregon St, Utah and Arizona St.
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If there are any remnants from the Pac-12 Conference they'd have a chance to assemble a few quality programs from the MWC + BYU and maybe even a few from the Big 12 if they become available.

Example:

BYU
Arizona St
Oregon St
Washington St
Utah
Boise State

New Mexico
Texas Tech
Oklahoma State
TCU
Colorado State
Kansas/Kansas State/Baylor (if Kansas isn't picked up by either the SEC or Big Ten)

Already much better than the MWC. Kansas, New Mexico, Utah, BYU would hold their own in basketball. Even Baylor has decent basketball.
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(08-24-2017 01:33 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(08-24-2017 10:13 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(08-24-2017 09:46 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(08-24-2017 08:53 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(08-24-2017 02:21 AM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  I posted on this board the other day that Northwestern and Colorado had scheduled a home-and-home series for next decade. If that's the case then it would make sense to put Colorado and Northwestern in the same division. Nebraska would act as a bridge to connect the eastern and western spheres of influence. In that case, I would pick Utah and the Salt Lake market over Kansas. Then create a "Pac 8" division for the West Coast and Arizona schools. The "Central Division" would for certain cover a vast amount of territory but would include the Chicago, Minneapolis, Milwaukee, Omaha, Denver and Salt Lake markets. That covers a lot of people. Poor Purdue gets put in the East but I don't think they'd really mind in the end. 03-wink

I'm open to that idea and I know it's not perfect and needs work but, like I've said, certain conditions have to be present before looking into it seriously.

If 24 is the goal then I like your thinking, but I would bet Arizona would get the call over Utah. It borders both Colorado and California.

Pacific: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St, California, Stanford, USC, UCLA
Central: Arizona, Colorado, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern
Eastern: Indiana, Purdue, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers

Those are interesting divisions and could definitely work. The only issues I see are that the B1G "traditionalists" are howling now, imagine what the reaction would be if Iowa doesn't get to play Purdue every year!!!! Oh the humanity!!!

The other is that I highly doubt that Arizona goes anywhere without ASU. They might be tied at the hip even more so that OU and OSU. In that sense, adding Utah might be easier. Arizona and ASU with TX to the ACC maybe?

I love conference tradition. I would prefer more independents, the 10-team B1G, the Big 8, the SWC, etc. That being said, tradition is sadly fading away quickly.

The Arizonas may joined at the hip and that would be obvious should anyone try to split them. Utah isn't a bad option either. The Arizonas may be okay getting annual games in a Texas. Easier to recruit in Texas and California is next door.

I'm in the school of "traditional" is overrated.

Sure it's nice to see schools you have history with, maybe even a little contempt for, but familiarity can lead to complacency which breeds mediocrity.

I think shaking up the status quo can not only be helpful, but be interesting as well. In your divisional break down, as a Wisconsin fan, I'd gladly give up seeing Purdue or Illinois on a yearly basis if it means someone like SC rolls into town more often. Me thinks the networks would likely feel that way as well.

Maybe it's just me.

Of course the rampant cheating also hurt the SWC...but I think complacency is one of the things that also really hurt the SWC. I'm of the opinion that schools like TCU up until a few years before the end felt really comfortable in the SWC and probably assumed that it would exist forever. TCU had a massive lack of commitment/investment to athletics from about 1965 to the mid 90s or so.

Getting left out of the original Big 12 is probably one of the best things that ever happened to TCU because it made the leadership take a hard look in the mirror and answer the question of what do we want to be and what type of commitment do we want to make. It has only been uphill from there.
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Growing up in BIG country and being a Spartan alum and watching the Rose Bowl as the ultimate college football game every year, I am a huge fan of any kind of BIG PAC arrangement. To me the PAC schools are brothers of the BIG. We have decades of history with them. I am supportive of any collaboration along those lines.

I am a fan of OU to the BIG.

I like UCONN and KANSAS for bball and think they would be ok filler.

I think TEXAS would be a great catch and nice to show off to your friends with great pictures at the wedding and reception. I just worry that she would be a "***** on wheels" to try to live with.
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Rumorville from https://twitter.com/flugempire/with_replies :

Quote:In late February 2017, during Oklahoma and Kansas Basketball game, non official reps from all 3 Universities of Oklahoma, Kansas & Nebraska met in a planned informal meeting to discuss potential steps forward in Conference Realignment. Completely unofficial meeting among non-employees of the 3 Universities, but significant.

How do we know this happened? Because notes were taken. I know there were notes taken, not because I’ve seen them, but I know the party who has seen them when he was called to help guide the person (Nebraska unofficial rep) in answering follow up questions two weeks out after said meeting occurred.

When did I find out about this meeting at Allen Fieldhouse? 4 days ago. How did I find out? Because of a what I do in my business, my job, I was curious and asked about a recent large donation to KU. The rest of info unraveled in my lap.

Let’s take a step back. Few years ago Kansas and Oklahoma opened their books for Big Ten examination. This is not a secret. Opening the books at the time was never about the last Big Ten Expansion, but about the next one. The last Big Ten Expansion was always going East. Delany was going to get Eastern population, Eastern Media to increase value of entire Conference. Delany always had 2 region conference concept for next Big Ten Expansion. Big Ten back-channeled talked with Rutgers for over 6 years. No promises, but no secrets. Same is happening now with Kansas & Oklahoma. But there is one big and extremely telling and interesting difference.

These back-channel talks (twice that we know of 1: Opened books 2013 2: Feb 2017)with Kansas & Oklahoma has been in tandem. Package deal. We do not know of any comparable examples of this long range back-channeling with a tandem before now. Kansas & Oklahoma need to know what each other are doing if they want to keep their options going forward. They can’t go into their separate 3rd Tier negotiations in 2021 & 2022 without some sort of idea of how the other one is proceeding.

As valuable as KU and OU are in brands, institutions, and economic centers in their respective states they both still need each other to gain invite to Big Ten. Both schools bring in value the other does not have. They jump every hurdle together. It’s why they had the meeting. Informal, planned meeting with non officials, non direct employees of Nebraska, Oklahoma & Kansas. The interest is mutual on all sides. It has been for quite sometime and the interest has not dissipated

None of these schools would set up a formal meeting with direct representation of each school at this time for it would endanger Kansas & Oklahoma financially because of its obvious violation of Big 12 bylaws when schools have entered Grant of Rights Discussions, the meeting notes of February of 2017, centered around maximizing options of 3rd Tier rights for OU & KU leading up to potential Big Ten invite in 2023/24 for 2025 entry.

These rights are important. They involve multiple platforms within each institution. And they also differ from each other. Questions were raised on how these next 3rd Tier negotiations OU & KU will be going through very shortly can have off ramps into Big Ten Network if possible. Discussions also included what are the options, not so much to shorten the 6 year investment into Big Ten Network, but if the off ramp from their own new 3rd Tier deals negotiated 2021/2022 can somehow be mixed into Big Ten Network on short term basis.

Oklahoma & Kansas want to keep all options open, which includes staying with reformed Big 12. So it wants to work in concert with each other and *understandings* from Big Ten when moving into next 3rd Tier negotiations with ESPN, IMG or other media. What is striking about this meeting, about this particular back-channel talks is Kansas & Oklahoma did it together. It’s no surprise it happened with Nebraska unofficial rep, but it’s meaningful Kansas & Oklahoma did it together.

When KU & OU and their Board of Regents look at their options for beyond 2025 when Big 12 Grant of Rights comes to completion, they will be looking at what they both hope is a reformed Big 12 Option & Big Ten Option. They will be doing it together. There is a growing perception in Big Ten circles Oklahoma & Kansas do not have much Pro SEC or Pro PAC factions within their Board of Regents and for Oklahoma it’s Pro SEC donors have huge uphill climb against Oklahoma BOR. But there is, and will continue to be, very strong voices at OU & KU to push reform in Big 12 and stay in Big 12 past 2025. And this is the reason for back-channel talks. This is how OU and KU work in concert with each other during their upcoming separate 3rd Tier negotiations and keep clear options open for Big Ten invite and entry, and also keep a reformed Big 12 Option.

Big Ten interest is very high on expanding with Kansas & Oklahoma. The 16 School Conference has been war gamed out for years. It’s extra content it would provide to sell in Tier 1/2 market and 3rd Tier to Big Ten Network has been discussed thoroughly. 16 school Logistics, schedules, divisions, effect on non revenue sports, discussions with 51% owner of BTN FOX Sports, travel has all been on the table for years. The number 16 itself is not an issue. The right value-add with 15 & 16 have to be nailed to keep it a sweet spot. Current ripples in Big Ten, and Media partner FOX, is in favor of targeting Kansas & Oklahoma.
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As long as Nebraska was recruiting and not being recruited, that's good. I think Oklahoma and Kansas is a safe pairing and very much helps diversify the conference's portfolio in everything in the short and long term.
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(03-26-2018 05:23 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  As long as Nebraska was recruiting and not being recruited, that's good. I think Oklahoma and Kansas is a safe pairing and very much helps diversify the conference's portfolio in everything in the short and long term.

I agree wholeheartedly. I know there is some handwringing about Kansas football, but their basketball(and Oklahoma football) more than makes up for it. While Texas is the big prize, I don’t think they want to leave, even without OU and KU in the Big12. It would add another football power to the West (hopefully Scott Frost can bring back UNL) and having another basketball school can always help January/February BTN ratings.
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(03-27-2018 06:29 PM)dayooper Wrote:  
(03-26-2018 05:23 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  As long as Nebraska was recruiting and not being recruited, that's good. I think Oklahoma and Kansas is a safe pairing and very much helps diversify the conference's portfolio in everything in the short and long term.

I agree wholeheartedly. I know there is some handwringing about Kansas football, but their basketball(and Oklahoma football) more than makes up for it. While Texas is the big prize, I don’t think they want to leave, even without OU and KU in the Big12. It would add another football power to the West (hopefully Scott Frost can bring back UNL) and having another basketball school can always help January/February BTN ratings.

To further illustrate, Kansas and Oklahoma are like an RBI double. You could have swung for the fences and struck out but instead played it safe and still scored a run and set yourself up for more runs.

In addition to your above points, having Oklahoma makes it more attractive for Texas down the road. Kansas and Oklahoma open up future expansion further south or west. Both make Nebraska feel more welcome after adding Maryland and Rutgers for Penn State.

I think the author of the article is full of crap as far as his "sources" are concerned but I don't disagree with the overall logic behind the moves.
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(03-27-2018 08:43 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(03-27-2018 06:29 PM)dayooper Wrote:  
(03-26-2018 05:23 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  As long as Nebraska was recruiting and not being recruited, that's good. I think Oklahoma and Kansas is a safe pairing and very much helps diversify the conference's portfolio in everything in the short and long term.

I agree wholeheartedly. I know there is some handwringing about Kansas football, but their basketball(and Oklahoma football) more than makes up for it. While Texas is the big prize, I don’t think they want to leave, even without OU and KU in the Big12. It would add another football power to the West (hopefully Scott Frost can bring back UNL) and having another basketball school can always help January/February BTN ratings.

To further illustrate, Kansas and Oklahoma are like an RBI double. You could have swung for the fences and struck out but instead played it safe and still scored a run and set yourself up for more runs.

In addition to your above points, having Oklahoma makes it more attractive for Texas down the road. Kansas and Oklahoma open up future expansion further south or west. Both make Nebraska feel more welcome after adding Maryland and Rutgers for Penn State.

I think the author of the article is full of crap as far as his "sources" are concerned but I don't disagree with the overall logic behind the moves.

OU gives the Big10 the best chance at Texas. OU greases the wheel for Texas down the road. I think the Big10 can get to 20 and still make it work. Ideal? No, but possible. That would allow other impactful schools along with Texas to join the Big10.

That all being said, if Oklahoma and Kansas were the end game for the next 30 years, that would be fine as well.
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RE: OU & KU in B1G
(03-27-2018 10:11 PM)dayooper Wrote:  
(03-27-2018 08:43 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(03-27-2018 06:29 PM)dayooper Wrote:  
(03-26-2018 05:23 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  As long as Nebraska was recruiting and not being recruited, that's good. I think Oklahoma and Kansas is a safe pairing and very much helps diversify the conference's portfolio in everything in the short and long term.

I agree wholeheartedly. I know there is some handwringing about Kansas football, but their basketball(and Oklahoma football) more than makes up for it. While Texas is the big prize, I don’t think they want to leave, even without OU and KU in the Big12. It would add another football power to the West (hopefully Scott Frost can bring back UNL) and having another basketball school can always help January/February BTN ratings.

To further illustrate, Kansas and Oklahoma are like an RBI double. You could have swung for the fences and struck out but instead played it safe and still scored a run and set yourself up for more runs.

In addition to your above points, having Oklahoma makes it more attractive for Texas down the road. Kansas and Oklahoma open up future expansion further south or west. Both make Nebraska feel more welcome after adding Maryland and Rutgers for Penn State.

I think the author of the article is full of crap as far as his "sources" are concerned but I don't disagree with the overall logic behind the moves.

OU gives the Big10 the best chance at Texas. OU greases the wheel for Texas down the road. I think the Big10 can get to 20 and still make it work. Ideal? No, but possible. That would allow other impactful schools along with Texas to join the Big10.

That all being said, if Oklahoma and Kansas were the end game for the next 30 years, that would be fine as well.

I don't think Texas ever comes with just OU, they need at least one other Texas school. A&M with Texas and OU and a 4th would be great for the league, even if it had to be a 3rd t. Texas team, but then I would do Texas, OU and even 2 Texas schools not named A&M if that was what it took to get Texas to come. If the league could bring in Houston and TT along with those two that's the only way to make the West competitive long term.
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RE: OU & KU in B1G
(03-27-2018 10:11 PM)dayooper Wrote:  
(03-27-2018 08:43 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(03-27-2018 06:29 PM)dayooper Wrote:  
(03-26-2018 05:23 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  As long as Nebraska was recruiting and not being recruited, that's good. I think Oklahoma and Kansas is a safe pairing and very much helps diversify the conference's portfolio in everything in the short and long term.

I agree wholeheartedly. I know there is some handwringing about Kansas football, but their basketball(and Oklahoma football) more than makes up for it. While Texas is the big prize, I don’t think they want to leave, even without OU and KU in the Big12. It would add another football power to the West (hopefully Scott Frost can bring back UNL) and having another basketball school can always help January/February BTN ratings.

To further illustrate, Kansas and Oklahoma are like an RBI double. You could have swung for the fences and struck out but instead played it safe and still scored a run and set yourself up for more runs.

In addition to your above points, having Oklahoma makes it more attractive for Texas down the road. Kansas and Oklahoma open up future expansion further south or west. Both make Nebraska feel more welcome after adding Maryland and Rutgers for Penn State.

I think the author of the article is full of crap as far as his "sources" are concerned but I don't disagree with the overall logic behind the moves.

OU gives the Big10 the best chance at Texas. OU greases the wheel for Texas down the road. I think the Big10 can get to 20 and still make it work. Ideal? No, but possible. That would allow other impactful schools along with Texas to join the Big10.

That all being said, if Oklahoma and Kansas were the end game for the next 30 years, that would be fine as well.

you also don't need to get to 20 to have a Texas addition anyway.

The conference had an odd number for many years and did fine, and 18 is already an ideal situation where the conference can have 3 divisions and push for either conf championship deregulation or allowance for a semifinal (3 division champs + 1 at-large).
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RE: OU & KU in B1G
(03-27-2018 08:43 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(03-27-2018 06:29 PM)dayooper Wrote:  
(03-26-2018 05:23 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  As long as Nebraska was recruiting and not being recruited, that's good. I think Oklahoma and Kansas is a safe pairing and very much helps diversify the conference's portfolio in everything in the short and long term.

I agree wholeheartedly. I know there is some handwringing about Kansas football, but their basketball(and Oklahoma football) more than makes up for it. While Texas is the big prize, I don’t think they want to leave, even without OU and KU in the Big12. It would add another football power to the West (hopefully Scott Frost can bring back UNL) and having another basketball school can always help January/February BTN ratings.

To further illustrate, Kansas and Oklahoma are like an RBI double. You could have swung for the fences and struck out but instead played it safe and still scored a run and set yourself up for more runs.

In addition to your above points, having Oklahoma makes it more attractive for Texas down the road. Kansas and Oklahoma open up future expansion further south or west. Both make Nebraska feel more welcome after adding Maryland and Rutgers for Penn State.

I think the author of the article is full of crap as far as his "sources" are concerned but I don't disagree with the overall logic behind the moves.

I would suggest proceeding with caution in inviting Texas, particularly Texas with a contingent of other Texas schools. Texas has a history of "not playing well with others". Texas alone might be all right but Texas with a number of other Texas teams just gives them a cohesive voting block. History proves that does not work well.
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Video from KU Athletics' website on the renovation of Memorial Stadium, plus news of their new indoor practice facility:

http://raisethechant.com/?utm_medium=sid...d3e98e9843
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