(05-11-2016 10:35 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(05-11-2016 09:20 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(05-11-2016 09:11 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(05-11-2016 08:09 AM)gotigers1 Wrote:  Where did Colorado St come from all of the sudden?

I think there brand stadium and additional investments made them a target.

Our new stadium and billion dollar investment in our campus laughs at the total 500 million investment.....

Considering that Houston has 42,000 students and Memphis has 22,000, it makes sense that Houston's campus investment is twice as large.

You do realize that was in reference to Colorado State (and their pledge to make 500 million in improvements) don't you........

"Where did Colorado St come from all of the sudden?"

(05-11-2016 10:15 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  I think the B12 is afraid of Ohio State.

They "dominate" Ohio because there has never been another option for big boy football.

Ohio is a huge state. Recruiting (not just for football), population, money. I just don't understand how it only has one p5 school.

The reverse is true in North Carolina. Four "Power" 5 school but all in the same conference.....

(05-11-2016 10:15 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  I just don't understand how it only has one p5 school.

The same can be said for Louisiana off the top of my head. Smaller state than Ohio but still not small and growing.

(05-11-2016 11:05 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(05-11-2016 10:35 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(05-11-2016 09:20 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(05-11-2016 09:11 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(05-11-2016 08:09 AM)gotigers1 Wrote:  Where did Colorado St come from all of the sudden?

I think there brand stadium and additional investments made them a target.

Our new stadium and billion dollar investment in our campus laughs at the total 500 million investment.....

Considering that Houston has 42,000 students and Memphis has 22,000, it makes sense that Houston's campus investment is twice as large.

You do realize that was in reference to Colorado State (and their pledge to make 500 million in improvements) don't you........

"Where did Colorado St come from all of the sudden?"

I thought Memphis had a $500 Million investment comment, but it makes no difference what folks on a message board say anyway. :)

(05-11-2016 11:05 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(05-11-2016 10:35 AM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(05-11-2016 09:20 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(05-11-2016 09:11 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(05-11-2016 08:09 AM)gotigers1 Wrote:  Where did Colorado St come from all of the sudden?

I think there brand stadium and additional investments made them a target.

Our new stadium and billion dollar investment in our campus laughs at the total 500 million investment.....

Considering that Houston has 42,000 students and Memphis has 22,000, it makes sense that Houston's campus investment is twice as large.

You do realize that was in reference to Colorado State (and their pledge to make 500 million in improvements) don't you........

"Where did Colorado St come from all of the sudden?"

I thought Memphis had a $500 Million investment comment, but it makes no difference what folks on a message board say anyway. :)

(05-11-2016 08:09 AM)gotigers1 Wrote:  Where did Colorado St come from all of the sudden?

That letter ESPN uncovered in the FOIA request, that the CSU prez sent to Gee, along with a brochure. Gee said, "Thanks, you have a nice school, we'll think about it."

The Memphis commitment is $500M in infrastructure in 5 years. There is another $500M coming for the next 5 years after that.

(05-11-2016 11:39 AM)TripleA Wrote:  The Memphis commitment is $500M in infrastructure in 5 years. There is another $500M coming for the next 5 years after that.

a billion dollars. it's just money

Colorado State is definitely a tweener type school...no one should be surprised they are in the discussion.

127 ranking, $300 mill endowment, about 32K students. Land-Grant Public Flagship

Not too far from the Denver metro and Colorado as a whole is a growing state with only one P5 school. Adjacent to Kansas.

You could say that CSU is even or better than Iowa State in terms of fit to the Big 12 NOW...since Iowa State technically sits on a geographic island like West Virginia. Iowa State has a better ranking and twice the endowment, but you can argue Colorado State's market could be considered bigger with Colorado's growing population of 5.5 mill (it was 2.9 in 1980) compared to Iowa's stagnant 3.1 mill (it was 2.9 mill in 1980). For comparison, West Virginia has a population less than 2 mill, less than 30K students and an endowment of about $500 mill. Its ranking is about 170.

And finally considering the Big 12 lost the Colorado market and Colorado has not done well in the PAC-12 overall...that move might make some long term sense for the Big 12.

(05-11-2016 09:59 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-11-2016 09:47 AM)Enviro5609 Wrote:  If this article proves anything, its that wins/losses aren't more important than anything else. Which is contrary to the supposed experts all over this board.

Memphis is the big "winner" in this article. They can bring the big $, despite being average to above average at best in both MBB and CFB recently. Yeah, they've done well, but to the casual Texas/OU fan? Memphis is no different than any other G5/mid-major. But they are the big story here, and FedEx just dropped the mic. The other schools are just talked about in platitudes. And lets be real, that letter to UCF? It looks like the kind of form email you get when you submit a resume for a job and then never hear from them again.

So I want someone to explain to me the justification for putting on-the-field product ahead of immutable metrics when it comes to expansion. Its all any of the self-styled experts talk about on the boards on this site, especially when dismissing Tulane.

Why do you believe that wins/losses over the past 5 years, which is no guarantee of future results, (and fortunes can, and do, change at any time with just the right coaches and investment), are more important than things that no amount of money can change-- such as location, prestige, pedigree, and connections.

Its a serious question. But I really want to understand the justification for just dismissing all of that out of hand and focusing solely on how well a school did last year. A poster in this very thread said something to the effect of "UCF picked the wrong season to implode." bull****. If they are only out of it because of one bad football season, and that somehow overshadows everything else they claim to bring to the table, then they weren't a serious candidate to begin with.

The way I see it, if it were on the field product "merit" that counted, Bosie, UConn, USM, etc would have been in the P5 years ago. And Rutgers had no business being in the B1G.

Because the on the field product is what drives attendance. If Memphis only had 22000 people in the stands last year, I doubt they would be on the radar. Instead they averaged over 40K and had some sell outs that looked liked big time SEC games on TV. That doesn't happen without a quality product on the field. One last point, while power conference teams all earn upwards of 20 million each from TV revenue, power conference programs actually make much more from ticket sales and donations than they do from their media contracts. Thus, winning isnt just fun---it actually helps pay the bills.

I get that, but it's not something you can't build. And it's not like TCU had a massive fanbase when they got the call up. I remember their attendance in their first few BigXII years being pretty horrid actually.

It's like saying you would prefer a new construction prefab in an unideal neighborhood, but wouldn't buy a historic mansion in the perfect spot on the cheap because it hasn't been maintained for years and looks ugly, even though it has great bones and you have the money/people in place to strip/renovate.

What about attendance, on the field product can't be fixed in a short amount of time?

(05-11-2016 11:09 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(05-11-2016 10:15 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  I just don't understand how it only has one p5 school.

The same can be said for Louisiana off the top of my head. Smaller state than Ohio but still not small and growing.

This is precisely why (even rational) Tulane fans think we have a shot at B12/ACC if we ever got our $hit together. The biggest value for LA is that it's the only recruiting hotbed with only one P5, you know B12/ACC schools would like to put a dent in LSU's monopoly. Also the fans of our opponents love the idea of coming to NOLA, then we have Benson's wife on our board which allows us access to the Dome/Smoothie King Center for hosting conference championships. We just have sucked so bad lately.

Things really seem to be changing at TU. Our AD is a beast who is demanding accountability and the last two coaching hires have been A+'s, time will tell.

(05-12-2016 10:22 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(05-11-2016 11:09 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(05-11-2016 10:15 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  I just don't understand how it only has one p5 school.

The same can be said for Louisiana off the top of my head. Smaller state than Ohio but still not small and growing.

This is precisely why (even rational) Tulane fans think we have a shot at B12/ACC if we ever got our $hit together. The biggest value for LA is that it's the only recruiting hotbed with only one P5, you know B12/ACC schools would like to put a dent in LSU's monopoly. Also the fans of our opponents love the idea of coming to NOLA, then we have Benson's wife on our board which allows us access to the Dome/Smoothie King Center for hosting conference championships. We just have sucked so bad lately.

Things really seem to be changing at TU. Our AD is a beast who is demanding accountability and the last two coaching hires have been A+'s, time will tell.

good post but do we have to use obscene language on a public forum?

Dr. Hitt interview.....nothing really new other than the the part about the stadium expanding to 60,000 within 2 seasons of getting the call up.
http://www.wftv.com/news/local/ucf-presi...witter_sfp

(05-12-2016 10:28 AM)TopCoog2016 Wrote:  

(05-12-2016 10:22 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(05-11-2016 11:09 AM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(05-11-2016 10:15 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  I just don't understand how it only has one p5 school.

The same can be said for Louisiana off the top of my head. Smaller state than Ohio but still not small and growing.

This is precisely why (even rational) Tulane fans think we have a shot at B12/ACC if we ever got our $hit together. The biggest value for LA is that it's the only recruiting hotbed with only one P5, you know B12/ACC schools would like to put a dent in LSU's monopoly. Also the fans of our opponents love the idea of coming to NOLA, then we have Benson's wife on our board which allows us access to the Dome/Smoothie King Center for hosting conference championships. We just have sucked so bad lately.

Things really seem to be changing at TU. Our AD is a beast who is demanding accountability and the last two coaching hires have been A+'s, time will tell.

good post but do we have to use obscene language on a public forum?

I too took offense to seeing LSU's name.