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Does an ACC Network completely close the gap with the SEC & B1G?
A lot of steam building up for an ACC Network and from my view it looks like it should happen sooner than later. Obviously any visibility issues would be addressed with a Network ( not that I think the ACC has a visibility issue in the first place). But the real issue is closing the gap financially. Would a Network close the gap entirely for the ACC or at least within a couple million of the SEC/B1G? If so the future viability of the ACC is sound. But if not... eyes are likely to wander or worse rumors will appear from nowhere alleging wandering eyes which will manifest in a perceived weaker conference.
What do you all think? Is a network the panacea for what ails the ACC?
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RE: Does an ACC Network completely close the gap with the SEC & B1G?
Completely? No, but then it doesn't necessarily have to COMPLETELY close it to close it enough to make everyone in the ACC contented.
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RE: Does an ACC Network completely close the gap with the SEC & B1G?
No. Just because they start one doesn't mean it will be a success. With the loss of B1G content, ESPN will need more content to put on their regular channels for college events. That means less content for the network. Less content for the network = low price point, low profits, and not going to get wide distribution.

There weren't any leaks from the ACC meeting today in regards to a network. There was one person that made a satire tweet and people rank with it to get some good laughs.
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RE: Does an ACC Network completely close the gap with the SEC & B1G?
I think it becomes competitive with the B1G and SEC, but it won't close the gap. Still, I think the ACCN will be very successful when it's launched.
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RE: Does an ACC Network completely close the gap with the SEC & B1G?
Not sure about the money but it would have more "live" eyeballs year round than any of the other conference channels. Sport for sport, the ACC holds their own with all the other conference networks.
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RE: Does an ACC Network completely close the gap with the SEC & B1G?
I think that "steam" is actually one of those automatic bathroom sanitizer sprayers going off

and there is little to suggest the AACn would close the gaps if it was thought to then ESPN would already be on it because ESPN would be making the other half of the cash needed to close that gap

unless ESPN is willing to take the risk to try and cram yet more content people do not want on cable subscribers and cable MSOs and unless they can get a very large portion of them there is little chance it will make money and I do not think that ESPN is willing to spend the money to buy back content to take that risk because I think they know that if even one major cable provider calls their bluff on the cramming for even a single month it could cost them 100% of the money they would hope to make on an ACCn for possibly even a couple of years

with a major MSO having 10 to 20 million or so subscribers even losing one month of total Disney/ABC/ESPN revenues from them can mean a loss of $56 to $112 million in total revenue or more

they also run the risk of cable MSOs looking to resist having other networks like the SECN crammed onto them as well and that would hurt them badly

the risk is becoming too great on a month to month basis for Disney/ABC/ESPN to keep attempting to withhold 100% of their content from major MSOs for even a single month to push networks with very small profit potential and with meaningful fixed cost involved to get going
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RE: Does an ACC Network completely close the gap with the SEC & B1G?
Close the gap??? An ACC Network allows the ACC to carry more weight on its shoulders.

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RE: Does an ACC Network completely close the gap with the SEC & B1G?
The goal I think with an ACC or B12 network isn't so much to keep up with the B1G which will be an impossible feat but to bring in more $$$ than they were before.

If its 5 million or 2 million per school its still a revenue source.

Further, having a network gets a conference better prepared for future changes in the marketplace. If streaming per subscriber is the future than conference networks will allow for that.
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RE: Does an ACC Network completely close the gap with the SEC & B1G?
Yeah ... I am with most on here. I don't think the ACC will ever close the gap with the Big Ten, but a solid network will be a revenue boost to the conference, and will appease those in the league. Which is all it really has to do.
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RE: Does an ACC Network completely close the gap with the SEC & B1G?
As mentioned; the ACC Network doesn't "close the gap". What it does do is keep the ACC competitive. ESPN has to be concerned that if conference realignment spins out of control can they keep a managing influence on it. I know many think that ESPN was the starter of realignment within the conferences. But sometimes actions start to move faster than ESPN would like. Then they become the manager of the changes. If they don't then things may spin out of control. It's kind of like being a conservative revolutionary. (A phrase the historian Joseph Ellis used to describe John Adams).
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RE: Does an ACC Network completely close the gap with the SEC & B1G?
50% chance there is even an ACCN at all in the next 3 years.

If there is, 10% chance it closes the money gap meaningfully with the SEC and B1G.

90% chance some ACC schools, particularly Clemson and FSU, still feel an acute $$$ disadvantage that will make them restless.

Bottom Line: ACCN or not, the presence of FSU and Clemson in the ACC will likely continue to depend on the good will of the SEC not inviting them.
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RE: Does an ACC Network completely close the gap with the SEC & B1G?
(05-10-2016 09:10 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  50% chance there is even an ACCN at all in the next 3 years.

If there is, 10% chance it closes the money gap meaningfully with the SEC and B1G.

90% chance some ACC schools, particularly Clemson and FSU, still feel an acute $$$ disadvantage that will make them restless.

Bottom Line: ACCN or not, the presence of FSU and Clemson in the ACC will likely continue to depend on the good will of the SEC not inviting them.

With the $$$$ the SEC is making they don't need them...the Missouri/Texas A&M moves were a stroke of genius-(which you was against at the time of the moves)...opened up new markets for them and really got them into Texas...it makes more sense if the SEC wants ACC schools they would try to get into Virginia and North Carolina...not double down in Florida/South Carolina.

Rumor is if nothing is announced about an ACCN by 1 July 2016 than ESPN would owe the ACC $45 Million...we shall see in about 7 weeks.

And what’s key here is that the ACC will stand to get paid if a TV network isn’t offered by ESPN by this summer. That’s according to ACC TV voice Wes Durham in an interview with Louisville Sports Live:

“ESPN has a clause in their contract that if they do not offer a network by July 1 of 2016, they owe the ACC – reportedly I should say – a clause in the contract that requires ESPN to pay the ACC $45 million a year to be divided among its schools,” Durham


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RE: Does an ACC Network completely close the gap with the SEC & B1G?
(05-09-2016 09:35 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Close the gap??? An ACC Network allows the ACC to carry more weight on its shoulders.

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RE: Does an ACC Network completely close the gap with the SEC & B1G?
The ACC has some of the best sports in the nation. ESPN could definitely make a good profit with it, especially if they were able to bring Notre Dame in to the fold...

IMO, I think a network happens and is very competitive vs. the B1G

It's in ESPN's best interest to have a strong ACC and SEC
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RE: Does an ACC Network completely close the gap with the SEC & B1G?
(05-10-2016 09:37 AM)EvilVodka Wrote:  The ACC has some of the best sports in the nation. ESPN could definitely make a good profit with it, especially if they were able to bring Notre Dame in to the fold...

IMO, I think a network happens and is very competitive vs. the B1G

It's in ESPN's best interest to have a strong ACC and SEC

They have the NFL first and foremost along with the NBA/MLB....that gives them a HUGE Leg up on FS1 & NBC...for their college coverage as you stated it best to have the best College Football conference and in the winter having the best College Basketball Conference...in the Fall Alabama, Florida, LSU & Georgia Football...in the winter UNC, Duke, Syracuse and Louisville Basketball.
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(05-10-2016 09:10 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  50% chance there is even an ACCN at all in the next 3 years.

If there is, 10% chance it closes the money gap meaningfully with the SEC and B1G.

90% chance some ACC schools, particularly Clemson and FSU, still feel an acute $$$ disadvantage that will make them restless.

Bottom Line: ACCN or not, the presence of FSU and Clemson in the ACC will likely continue to depend on the good will of the SEC not inviting them.


I think that the ACC Network will happen. I don't think that it will make a ton of money like the SEC and Big Ten networks.

I don't think that Clemson and/or FSU will get an invitation to the SEC.

I don't think that Virginia and UNC will go to the Big Ten.

I think that the Big 12 will implode whether they expand this summer or not.

I just wish I could "think" what the next Powerball numbers are.....
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(05-09-2016 09:10 PM)Big Ron Buckeye Wrote:  A lot of steam building up for an ACC Network and from my view it looks like it should happen sooner than later. Obviously any visibility issues would be addressed with a Network ( not that I think the ACC has a visibility issue in the first place). But the real issue is closing the gap financially. Would a Network close the gap entirely for the ACC or at least within a couple million of the SEC/B1G? If so the future viability of the ACC is sound. But if not... eyes are likely to wander or worse rumors will appear from nowhere alleging wandering eyes which will manifest in a perceived weaker conference.
What do you all think? Is a network the panacea for what ails the ACC?
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(05-10-2016 09:17 AM)Maize Wrote:  
(05-10-2016 09:10 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  50% chance there is even an ACCN at all in the next 3 years.

If there is, 10% chance it closes the money gap meaningfully with the SEC and B1G.

90% chance some ACC schools, particularly Clemson and FSU, still feel an acute $$$ disadvantage that will make them restless.

Bottom Line: ACCN or not, the presence of FSU and Clemson in the ACC will likely continue to depend on the good will of the SEC not inviting them.

With the $$$$ the SEC is making they don't need them...the Missouri/Texas A&M moves were a stroke of genius-(which you was against at the time of the moves)...opened up new markets for them and really got them into Texas...it makes more sense if the SEC wants ACC schools they would try to get into Virginia and North Carolina...not double down in Florida/South Carolina.

Rumor is if nothing is announced about an ACCN by 1 July 2016 than ESPN would owe the ACC $45 Million...we shall see in about 7 weeks.

1) IIRC, I was against Missouri (and still don't see what they bring to the table), but not Texas A/M.

2) I agree that the SEC doesn't want Clemson or FSU, and is unlikely to in the near future. But I didn't say otherwise, my comment just said that the SEC could have those schools *if* it wanted them, and I don't think that ACCN dollars would be enough to change that, I didn't mean to imply that it did want them.

2) Thanks for the info about ESPN owing the ACC $45 million a year (about $3m per school) if they don't offer a network. It will be very telling about the value ESPN places on an ACCN if it chooses to pay that $45m a year rather than create a network. That would be say a lot about the value of ACC media rights.
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(05-10-2016 09:50 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(05-10-2016 09:10 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  50% chance there is even an ACCN at all in the next 3 years.

If there is, 10% chance it closes the money gap meaningfully with the SEC and B1G.

90% chance some ACC schools, particularly Clemson and FSU, still feel an acute $$$ disadvantage that will make them restless.

Bottom Line: ACCN or not, the presence of FSU and Clemson in the ACC will likely continue to depend on the good will of the SEC not inviting them.


I think that the ACC Network will happen. I don't think that it will make a ton of money like the SEC and Big Ten networks.

I don't think that Clemson and/or FSU will get an invitation to the SEC.

I don't think that Virginia and UNC will go to the Big Ten.

I think that the Big 12 will implode whether they expand this summer or not.

I just wish I could "think" what the next Powerball numbers are.....

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(05-10-2016 10:02 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-10-2016 09:17 AM)Maize Wrote:  
(05-10-2016 09:10 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  50% chance there is even an ACCN at all in the next 3 years.

If there is, 10% chance it closes the money gap meaningfully with the SEC and B1G.

90% chance some ACC schools, particularly Clemson and FSU, still feel an acute $$$ disadvantage that will make them restless.

Bottom Line: ACCN or not, the presence of FSU and Clemson in the ACC will likely continue to depend on the good will of the SEC not inviting them.

With the $$$$ the SEC is making they don't need them...the Missouri/Texas A&M moves were a stroke of genius-(which you was against at the time of the moves)...opened up new markets for them and really got them into Texas...it makes more sense if the SEC wants ACC schools they would try to get into Virginia and North Carolina...not double down in Florida/South Carolina.

Rumor is if nothing is announced about an ACCN by 1 July 2016 than ESPN would owe the ACC $45 Million...we shall see in about 7 weeks.

1) IIRC, I was against Missouri (and still don't see what they bring to the table), but not Texas A/M.

2) I agree that the SEC doesn't want Clemson or FSU, and is unlikely to in the near future. But I didn't say otherwise, my comment just said that the SEC could have those schools *if* it wanted them, and I don't think that AACN dollars would be enough to change that, I didn't mean to imply that it did want them.

2) Thanks for the info about ESPN owing the ACC $45 million a year (about $3m per school) if they don't offer a network. It will be very telling about the value ESPN places on an ACCN if it chooses to pay that $45m a year rather than create a network. That would be say a lot about the value of ACC media rights.

On the $45 Million...don't think it just a one time payment either...yes it will be interesting for the simple fact they could fork over $45 Million for content they already have
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