(05-10-2016 06:23 AM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 09:45 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 09:18 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 07:36 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 07:31 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  The expansion isn't happening. Texas doesn't want it, and truthfully OU doesn't really want it either. They just want to appear like they want it to give them the excuse to leave when it doesn't happen. The BOR member just said the truth and the president had to try to shut him up about it. OU knows there's no addition that can actually close the gap with the other leagues, and they know Texas is never giving up the LHN unless they are leaving the B12.

What they ALL want is for the LHN to become the Big12 network. No one in the current Big12 would trade a yearly game vs Texas and OU to play ANY of the expansion candidates.

I don't get why people think Texas would be willing to give up the LHN for the Big 12. If they are willing to give up the LHN, they might as well go to a more elite league like the SEC. Oh here big 12...Let me give up our big advantage of our own national network, our extra $15 million, our recruiting pipeline by having a network, etc.

Exactly people want to make it seem like Texas cares about their fellow schools but the fact is the don' t.

I think what everyone is missing here is that a majority of the b12 is willing to force their hands. Part of the issue is that the tx schools are in the same conference. That being said everyone has memories of the swc.

they have to have 8 votes to expand and are not even close to that. texas will never give up the LHN and the big 12 has too few markets to support their own. This is a dead issue and has been.

(05-10-2016 06:23 AM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 09:45 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 09:18 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 07:36 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 07:31 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  The expansion isn't happening. Texas doesn't want it, and truthfully OU doesn't really want it either. They just want to appear like they want it to give them the excuse to leave when it doesn't happen. The BOR member just said the truth and the president had to try to shut him up about it. OU knows there's no addition that can actually close the gap with the other leagues, and they know Texas is never giving up the LHN unless they are leaving the B12.

What they ALL want is for the LHN to become the Big12 network. No one in the current Big12 would trade a yearly game vs Texas and OU to play ANY of the expansion candidates.

I don't get why people think Texas would be willing to give up the LHN for the Big 12. If they are willing to give up the LHN, they might as well go to a more elite league like the SEC. Oh here big 12...Let me give up our big advantage of our own national network, our extra $15 million, our recruiting pipeline by having a network, etc.

Exactly people want to make it seem like Texas cares about their fellow schools but the fact is the don' t.

I think what everyone is missing here is that a majority of the b12 is willing to force their hands. Part of the issue is that the tx schools are in the same conference. That being said everyone has memories of the swc.

Even more they don't want to lose Texas/Oklahoma or the overall conference losses tons of value. Go from a league worth $20 million each to maybe $4-5 million based on AAC worth $2 million. No national following teams would be a major blow. The other schools will go along with Texas and Oklahoma.

(05-10-2016 06:23 AM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 09:45 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 09:18 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 07:36 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 07:31 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  The expansion isn't happening. Texas doesn't want it, and truthfully OU doesn't really want it either. They just want to appear like they want it to give them the excuse to leave when it doesn't happen. The BOR member just said the truth and the president had to try to shut him up about it. OU knows there's no addition that can actually close the gap with the other leagues, and they know Texas is never giving up the LHN unless they are leaving the B12.

What they ALL want is for the LHN to become the Big12 network. No one in the current Big12 would trade a yearly game vs Texas and OU to play ANY of the expansion candidates.

I don't get why people think Texas would be willing to give up the LHN for the Big 12. If they are willing to give up the LHN, they might as well go to a more elite league like the SEC. Oh here big 12...Let me give up our big advantage of our own national network, our extra $15 million, our recruiting pipeline by having a network, etc.

Exactly people want to make it seem like Texas cares about their fellow schools but the fact is the don' t.

I think what everyone is missing here is that a majority of the b12 is willing to force their hands. Part of the issue is that the tx schools are in the same conference. That being said everyone has memories of the swc.

But TT and TCU aren't going to line up against UT. They must have UT in conference to remain a power school and they have no guarantee of a landing spot should UT leave.

(05-10-2016 07:47 AM)TopCoog2016 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 06:23 AM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 09:45 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 09:18 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 07:36 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  What they ALL want is for the LHN to become the Big12 network. No one in the current Big12 would trade a yearly game vs Texas and OU to play ANY of the expansion candidates.

I don't get why people think Texas would be willing to give up the LHN for the Big 12. If they are willing to give up the LHN, they might as well go to a more elite league like the SEC. Oh here big 12...Let me give up our big advantage of our own national network, our extra $15 million, our recruiting pipeline by having a network, etc.

Exactly people want to make it seem like Texas cares about their fellow schools but the fact is the don' t.

I think what everyone is missing here is that a majority of the b12 is willing to force their hands. Part of the issue is that the tx schools are in the same conference. That being said everyone has memories of the swc.

they have to have 8 votes to expand and are not even close to that. texas will never give up the LHN and the big 12 has too few markets to support their own. This is a dead issue and has been.

Dude, how many times are you going to post the same damn thing? And never state an opinion as a fact. Bad practice.

"They have to have 8 votes to expand and are not even close to that?"

"Texas will never give up the LHN?"

Time will tell.

(05-10-2016 07:56 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 06:23 AM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 09:45 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 09:18 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 07:36 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  What they ALL want is for the LHN to become the Big12 network. No one in the current Big12 would trade a yearly game vs Texas and OU to play ANY of the expansion candidates.

I don't get why people think Texas would be willing to give up the LHN for the Big 12. If they are willing to give up the LHN, they might as well go to a more elite league like the SEC. Oh here big 12...Let me give up our big advantage of our own national network, our extra $15 million, our recruiting pipeline by having a network, etc.

Exactly people want to make it seem like Texas cares about their fellow schools but the fact is the don' t.

I think what everyone is missing here is that a majority of the b12 is willing to force their hands. Part of the issue is that the tx schools are in the same conference. That being said everyone has memories of the swc.

But TT and TCU aren't going to line up against UT. They must have UT in conference to remain a power school and they have no guarantee of a landing spot should UT leave.

Those schools are AAC caliber without Texas and Oklahoma sharing $20 million. Same with Baylor.

(05-10-2016 08:01 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 07:56 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 06:23 AM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 09:45 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 09:18 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  I don't get why people think Texas would be willing to give up the LHN for the Big 12. If they are willing to give up the LHN, they might as well go to a more elite league like the SEC. Oh here big 12...Let me give up our big advantage of our own national network, our extra $15 million, our recruiting pipeline by having a network, etc.

Exactly people want to make it seem like Texas cares about their fellow schools but the fact is the don' t.

I think what everyone is missing here is that a majority of the b12 is willing to force their hands. Part of the issue is that the tx schools are in the same conference. That being said everyone has memories of the swc.

But TT and TCU aren't going to line up against UT. They must have UT in conference to remain a power school and they have no guarantee of a landing spot should UT leave.

Those schools are AAC caliber without Texas and Oklahoma sharing $20 million. Same with Baylor.

You make it seem as though AAC caliber is a bad thing. We had 4 teams ranked last year and our champion beat Florida State in what was basically a home game for them.

(05-10-2016 08:42 AM)uhmump95 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 08:01 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 07:56 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 06:23 AM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 09:45 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  Exactly people want to make it seem like Texas cares about their fellow schools but the fact is the don' t.

I think what everyone is missing here is that a majority of the b12 is willing to force their hands. Part of the issue is that the tx schools are in the same conference. That being said everyone has memories of the swc.

But TT and TCU aren't going to line up against UT. They must have UT in conference to remain a power school and they have no guarantee of a landing spot should UT leave.

Those schools are AAC caliber without Texas and Oklahoma sharing $20 million. Same with Baylor.

You make it seem as though AAC caliber is a bad thing. We had 4 teams ranked last year and our champion beat Florida State in what was basically a home game for them.

Good post.

(05-10-2016 08:01 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 07:47 AM)TopCoog2016 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 06:23 AM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 09:45 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 09:18 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  I don't get why people think Texas would be willing to give up the LHN for the Big 12. If they are willing to give up the LHN, they might as well go to a more elite league like the SEC. Oh here big 12...Let me give up our big advantage of our own national network, our extra $15 million, our recruiting pipeline by having a network, etc.

Exactly people want to make it seem like Texas cares about their fellow schools but the fact is the don' t.

I think what everyone is missing here is that a majority of the b12 is willing to force their hands. Part of the issue is that the tx schools are in the same conference. That being said everyone has memories of the swc.

they have to have 8 votes to expand and are not even close to that. texas will never give up the LHN and the big 12 has too few markets to support their own. This is a dead issue and has been.

Dude, how many times are you going to post the same damn thing? And never state an opinion as a fact. Bad practice.

"They have to have 8 votes to expand and are not even close to that?"

"Texas will never give up the LHN?"

Time will tell.

The only way Texas gives up the LHN Network is if they are forced to change Conferences. They will not just give up 15 Million a year its not that hard to figure out.

(05-10-2016 08:45 AM)billetingman1 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 08:01 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 07:47 AM)TopCoog2016 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 06:23 AM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 09:45 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  Exactly people want to make it seem like Texas cares about their fellow schools but the fact is the don' t.

I think what everyone is missing here is that a majority of the b12 is willing to force their hands. Part of the issue is that the tx schools are in the same conference. That being said everyone has memories of the swc.

they have to have 8 votes to expand and are not even close to that. texas will never give up the LHN and the big 12 has too few markets to support their own. This is a dead issue and has been.

Dude, how many times are you going to post the same damn thing? And never state an opinion as a fact. Bad practice.

"They have to have 8 votes to expand and are not even close to that?"

"Texas will never give up the LHN?"

Time will tell.

The only way Texas gives up the LHN Network is if they are forced to change Conferences. They will not just give up 15 Million a year its not that hard to figure out.

Well, I agree. You would have to be a moron to think Texas would "give it up." That's ridiculous. Maybe I didn't make it clear. Texas could perhaps roll it into the B12N, if they received every penny of what they are owed, plus a regular share of what the B12N generates beyond that.

The trick is if the networks would pay enough to make that work, but I guarantee that ESPN execs would swim the English Channel to get out from under the LHN.

In addition, Texas would probably want to keep their branding in some form, like "the B12N, presented by the LHN," plus each school with perhaps their own regional sub-channel, like Fox does to some extent.

That's just me spitballing, but I'm sure some things like that are being discussed, in an attempt to make a B12N feasible. Where there is a will, there is often a way. And Boren has made it clear that expansion, a CCG and a B12N are intertwined.

(05-10-2016 08:52 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 08:45 AM)billetingman1 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 08:01 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 07:47 AM)TopCoog2016 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 06:23 AM)Knightbengal Wrote:  I think what everyone is missing here is that a majority of the b12 is willing to force their hands. Part of the issue is that the tx schools are in the same conference. That being said everyone has memories of the swc.

they have to have 8 votes to expand and are not even close to that. texas will never give up the LHN and the big 12 has too few markets to support their own. This is a dead issue and has been.

Dude, how many times are you going to post the same damn thing? And never state an opinion as a fact. Bad practice.

"They have to have 8 votes to expand and are not even close to that?"

"Texas will never give up the LHN?"

Time will tell.

The only way Texas gives up the LHN Network is if they are forced to change Conferences. They will not just give up 15 Million a year its not that hard to figure out.

Well, I agree. You would have to be a moron to think Texas would "give it up." That's ridiculous. Maybe I didn't make it clear. Texas could perhaps roll it into the B12N, if they received every penny of what they are owed, plus a regular share of what the B12N generates beyond that.

The trick is if the networks would pay enough to make that work, but I guarantee that ESPN execs would swim the English Channel to get out from under the LHN.

In addition, Texas would probably want to keep their branding in some form, like "the B12N, presented by the LHN," plus each school with perhaps their own regional sub-channel, like Fox does to some extent.

That's just me spitballing, but I'm sure some things like that are being discussed, in an attempt to make a B12N feasible. Where there is a will, there is often a way. And Boren has made it clear that expansion, a CCG and a B12N are intertwined.

Games are being played, OU and Texas want out of the B12. This is playing out just the way the want it. When no agreement can be reached OU, will be looking for a way to leave. Texas knows this and are letting OU be the bad guy this time, even though UT is the Cancer.

(05-10-2016 08:01 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 07:47 AM)TopCoog2016 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 06:23 AM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 09:45 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 09:18 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  I don't get why people think Texas would be willing to give up the LHN for the Big 12. If they are willing to give up the LHN, they might as well go to a more elite league like the SEC. Oh here big 12...Let me give up our big advantage of our own national network, our extra $15 million, our recruiting pipeline by having a network, etc.

Exactly people want to make it seem like Texas cares about their fellow schools but the fact is the don' t.

I think what everyone is missing here is that a majority of the b12 is willing to force their hands. Part of the issue is that the tx schools are in the same conference. That being said everyone has memories of the swc.

they have to have 8 votes to expand and are not even close to that. texas will never give up the LHN and the big 12 has too few markets to support their own. This is a dead issue and has been.

Dude, how many times are you going to post the same damn thing? And never state an opinion as a fact. Bad practice.

"They have to have 8 votes to expand and are not even close to that?"

"Texas will never give up the LHN?"

Time will tell.

are you kidding me? Did you just fly in here from Neptune? Everyone on this board posts the same thing over and over and over again.

(05-10-2016 08:42 AM)uhmump95 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 08:01 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 07:56 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 06:23 AM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 09:45 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  Exactly people want to make it seem like Texas cares about their fellow schools but the fact is the don' t.

I think what everyone is missing here is that a majority of the b12 is willing to force their hands. Part of the issue is that the tx schools are in the same conference. That being said everyone has memories of the swc.

But TT and TCU aren't going to line up against UT. They must have UT in conference to remain a power school and they have no guarantee of a landing spot should UT leave.

Those schools are AAC caliber without Texas and Oklahoma sharing $20 million. Same with Baylor.

You make it seem as though AAC caliber is a bad thing. We had 4 teams ranked last year and our champion beat Florida State in what was basically a home game for them.

Probably came off wrong, but meaning half the AAC is really P5 caliber (low end p5) and half the Big 12 is on that level. The AAC is an underrated league. Those Big 12 teams get the power label, recruiting advantage, and money just from being associated with Texas and Oklahoma. We have a good league.

ESPN Austin all morning is saying UT/OU/OSU/Tech need to just wait another year and then move on. No need to associate with likes of Cincinnati and Memphis

Nice to hear them making fun of someone else besides SMU for once

(05-10-2016 09:17 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  ESPN Austin all morning is saying UT/OU/OSU/Tech need to just wait another year and then move on. No need to associate with likes of Cincinnati and Memphis

Nice to hear them making fun of someone else besides SMU for once

^^^^^^^
This is what happening, the B12 as it stands now is Dead man walking. The Conference won't go away, they will take from the AAC and the MW once those teams leave. Its coming its just a matter of when.

(05-10-2016 09:20 AM)billetingman1 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 09:17 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  ESPN Austin all morning is saying UT/OU/OSU/Tech need to just wait another year and then move on. No need to associate with likes of Cincinnati and Memphis

Nice to hear them making fun of someone else besides SMU for once

^^^^^^^
This is what happening, the B12 as it stands now is Dead man walking. The Conference won't go away, they will take from the AAC and the MW once those teams leave. Its coming its just a matter of when.

the b 12 will go away. No one from the aac or MWC is going to join what would be a marketless tumbleweed league with no name teams.

(05-10-2016 09:17 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  ESPN Austin all morning is saying UT/OU/OSU/Tech need to just wait another year and then move on. No need to associate with likes of Cincinnati and Memphis

Nice to hear them making fun of someone else besides SMU for once

Oh the cocky attitude. Outside of Texas and Oklahoma, is there really a big gap between the AAC and Big 12? I'm almost hoping just Texas and Oklahoma leave and these big egos for the rest get in check.

(05-10-2016 08:59 AM)TopCoog2016 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 08:01 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 07:47 AM)TopCoog2016 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 06:23 AM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 09:45 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  Exactly people want to make it seem like Texas cares about their fellow schools but the fact is the don' t.

I think what everyone is missing here is that a majority of the b12 is willing to force their hands. Part of the issue is that the tx schools are in the same conference. That being said everyone has memories of the swc.

they have to have 8 votes to expand and are not even close to that. texas will never give up the LHN and the big 12 has too few markets to support their own. This is a dead issue and has been.

Dude, how many times are you going to post the same damn thing? And never state an opinion as a fact. Bad practice.

"They have to have 8 votes to expand and are not even close to that?"

"Texas will never give up the LHN?"

Time will tell.

are you kidding me? Did you just fly in here from Neptune? Everyone on this board posts the same thing over and over and over again.

I think you might be the king of repetitive posts this month. And no, I didn't fly in from Neptune. I was here long before you showed up.

(05-10-2016 09:25 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 09:17 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  ESPN Austin all morning is saying UT/OU/OSU/Tech need to just wait another year and then move on. No need to associate with likes of Cincinnati and Memphis

Nice to hear them making fun of someone else besides SMU for once

Oh the cocky attitude. Outside of Texas and Oklahoma, is there really a big gap between the AAC and Big 12? I'm almost hoping just Texas and Oklahoma leave and these big egos for the rest get in check.

Baylor, TCU, OSU are pretty Salty. You could throw Kansas St in there as well.

(05-10-2016 09:26 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 08:59 AM)TopCoog2016 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 08:01 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 07:47 AM)TopCoog2016 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 06:23 AM)Knightbengal Wrote:  I think what everyone is missing here is that a majority of the b12 is willing to force their hands. Part of the issue is that the tx schools are in the same conference. That being said everyone has memories of the swc.

they have to have 8 votes to expand and are not even close to that. texas will never give up the LHN and the big 12 has too few markets to support their own. This is a dead issue and has been.

Dude, how many times are you going to post the same damn thing? And never state an opinion as a fact. Bad practice.

"They have to have 8 votes to expand and are not even close to that?"

"Texas will never give up the LHN?"

Time will tell.

are you kidding me? Did you just fly in here from Neptune? Everyone on this board posts the same thing over and over and over again.

I think you might be the king of repetitive posts this month. And no, I didn't fly in from Neptune. I was here long before you showed up.

you don't like my posts because I do not agree with you. if you have those kinds of issues there is help available

(05-10-2016 09:25 AM)TopCoog2016 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 09:20 AM)billetingman1 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 09:17 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  

^^^^^^^

the b 12 will go away. No one from the aac or MWC is going to join what would be a marketless tumbleweed league with no name teams.

right, just like no one left CUSA for a falling apart BE.

The left overs will cherry pick and just like with the AAC be stronger than those that get cherry picked. In this case though, they will keep the name. There is no one to sell it to.