(05-10-2016 02:29 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 01:49 PM)pablowow Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 12:00 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 11:33 AM)Enviro5609 Wrote:  Jimmies rustled.

Tulane's doing just fine. Great new coaches and enthusiasm. Opening day will be a hard sellout, again. We've been doing top level college athletics since before ECU existed. Hate all you want, facts are facts.

Yet you cant fill a 30,000 seat stadium.

Ok are we going to go over this again! Your school has over 35,000 students and until this year you can't even average your student base attendance! Let's talk about your basketball for a school that has 35,000 students YOU OF ALL SCHOOLS SHOULD NEVER TALK ATTENDANCE SMACK! Only ECU can do that... Loser

This coming from a tulane fan lol, how can i take you seriously. Your trying to talk smack when your worse then our school. I mean i almost feel bad it likes fighting a child. As bad as our attendance was it was still 10x better than tulane. Also if you knew anything you would know the section allotted for students has never not been sold out but eh dont let facts get in your way.

Wrong again... BS Houst on Talking attendance smack is well documented by everyone.!! Real UH fans don't do it... Seriously.. 10x would put you at 200,000 a game which is. A lie!! And don't try to say it was just general speaking. Let's deal in facts and you can't do that.

(05-10-2016 03:04 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 02:52 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 02:45 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 02:35 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 12:53 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  Ya but we averaged 32,000 this year. The lower bowl was never empty. Plus we had 3 sellouts of 44,000

You had a great football season. I just want to see the attendance stay up while you guys aren't undefeated. Look at Texas. They sucked wind this season and they still average around 88k.

Well Texas has winning history that takes time to build. But the fact that we can turn it around in one season is awesome. If we have a great season this year i cant wait to see what happens in 2017.

I'd rather see a blowout home loss to the gooners only to be followed up a few weeks later by another home loss to Tulsa.

Well your a Tulsa fan so i cant argue with you for hoping for that.

The OU loss would only be to keep the cougars in Tulsa's conference. We like teh Rivalry!

(05-10-2016 03:13 PM)pablowow Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 02:29 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 01:49 PM)pablowow Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 12:00 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 11:33 AM)Enviro5609 Wrote:  Jimmies rustled.

Tulane's doing just fine. Great new coaches and enthusiasm. Opening day will be a hard sellout, again. We've been doing top level college athletics since before ECU existed. Hate all you want, facts are facts.

Yet you cant fill a 30,000 seat stadium.

Ok are we going to go over this again! Your school has over 35,000 students and until this year you can't even average your student base attendance! Let's talk about your basketball for a school that has 35,000 students YOU OF ALL SCHOOLS SHOULD NEVER TALK ATTENDANCE SMACK! Only ECU can do that... Loser

This coming from a tulane fan lol, how can i take you seriously. Your trying to talk smack when your worse then our school. I mean i almost feel bad it likes fighting a child. As bad as our attendance was it was still 10x better than tulane. Also if you knew anything you would know the section allotted for students has never not been sold out but eh dont let facts get in your way.

Wrong again... BS Houst on Talking attendance smack is well documented by everyone.!! Real UH fans don't do it... Seriously.. 10x would put you at 200,000 a game which is. A lie!! And don't try to say it was just general speaking. Let's deal in facts and you can't do that.

Sounds like somes feelers are hurt. Do you need tickle me elmo to hug you?

(05-10-2016 03:21 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 03:04 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 02:52 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 02:45 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 02:35 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  You had a great football season. I just want to see the attendance stay up while you guys aren't undefeated. Look at Texas. They sucked wind this season and they still average around 88k.

Well Texas has winning history that takes time to build. But the fact that we can turn it around in one season is awesome. If we have a great season this year i cant wait to see what happens in 2017.

I'd rather see a blowout home loss to the gooners only to be followed up a few weeks later by another home loss to Tulsa.

Well your a Tulsa fan so i cant argue with you for hoping for that.

The OU loss would only be to keep the cougars in Tulsa's conference. We like teh Rivalry!

I too like teh rivalry.

(05-10-2016 10:42 AM)Enviro5609 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 10:19 AM)First Mate Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 07:03 PM)Enviro5609 Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 06:34 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 04:59 PM)GreenWave16 Wrote:  It certainly makes sense to me. Tulane is at the top of the list for Big 12 expansion, we always have been. Our peers are Texas, Oklahoma, and so on. We are more in line with those schools not ECU, South Florida and other AAC schools. I do not know how realistic this Big 16 is but Tulane to the Big 12 is about as realistic as it gets.

"peers"...What do you mean by peers? Do you mean that because you're more geographically central to them?

Because that's just about the only similarity between an academically-centric private school of less than 10k in Louisiana and state public flagship behemoth schools in TX and OK.

Neither ECU nor Tulane are in similar situations to those schools.

Don't be dense. He's speaking about academic/institutional prestige. AAU status. And the BigXII isn't full of UT/OUs. Tulane has more in common with TCU, Baylor, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, Texas Tech than it does with Memphis, East Carolina or U_Fs. There is a reason why there are only 3 AAU member institutions in the entire G5, but they are a strong plurality in the P5.

There's also the history. You can find game day programs of Tulane and Texas playing each other in big time football 100 years ago, 90 years ago, 70 years ago, 50 years ago, etc. Only other AAC team that can make a claim like that is Houston or Temple. The first sugar bowl was Tulane vs Temple.

Yeah, Tulane isn't an out and out favorite. But to dismiss them as having no chance and being a nobody is just showing off how little you know about college sports and what college presidents care about. Tulane is a blue blood, even if they've only just started emphasizing sports again for the first time in 20 years. We've been playing D1 football and baseball since before ECU even existed. P5 programs have that kind of pedigree. ECU doesn't.

How many P5 wins does Tulame have in the past 25 years? How many fans? Not many on either account. No one in the P5 wants to play at Tulane in front of 10 people who got free tickets. That looks like crap on TV too. Just like it does now when anyone plays at Tulane. No chance.

9 wins against p5 in the last 25 years. Just as many really close games that could have gone either way. Includes a 12-0 season before the BCS allowed non BCS conferences to play in BCS bowl games. Heck, we are the reason why they created the BCS buster rule. Should have played Tenn that year in the Sugar Bowl, ended up in Liberty v BYU. Would have been in the playoff under new system.

You just don't like Tulane. Its pretty obvious. 10 fans? Free tickets? Please. We have 15K season ticket holders alone in football. Georgia Tech and Duke were both hard sellouts. We set the record at the New Orleans bowl for attendance (60k+). 55k came to watch Texas v Tulane in the dome a few years back. We always pack the place for big name opponents. Not our fault no one in Nola wants to come see East Carolina or Southern Florida. Theres about 30k Tulane fans in New Orleans area who will show up for big games. Its just not a mid-major town. Hardcore group of fans is only about 10K (the rest of the season tickets are usually just a way casual fans stay connected/donate)-- but there are lots of casual fans who turn out when its worth the effort. We aren't Greenville, NC, this is New Orleans. There are better things to do on a fall Saturday than watch a football game against teams with cardinal directions in their names.

You really don't know jack about conference realignment, do you?

I know plenty. New Orleans got you in the AAC I'll give you that. Which was a big mistake. You obviously have never watched any of Tulanes games on TV. It's a joke. You compare more to UAB than teams in the freaking Big 12. I've seen ECU play at both places and it looks the same, no one is there. C'mon man.

You can talk about 15k season ticket holders all day but no one shows up. TV execs want the market yes but they have finally figured out that if the school doesn't deliver said market it doesn't mean squat. If TV market was all that mattered all the SEC schools wouldn't be in the P5 bc they are in smaller markets.

Being located in Greenville, NC definitely doesn't help ECU. However, NC is the 9th largest state now and we are one hour from Raleigh which is a top 25 market. Package that with a full stadium and great atmosphere that makes a good product for TV. I guarantee you ECU games outrank Tulane on ESPN every week, by a large margin.

(05-10-2016 03:23 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 03:13 PM)pablowow Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 02:29 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 01:49 PM)pablowow Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 12:00 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  Yet you cant fill a 30,000 seat stadium.

Ok are we going to go over this again! Your school has over 35,000 students and until this year you can't even average your student base attendance! Let's talk about your basketball for a school that has 35,000 students YOU OF ALL SCHOOLS SHOULD NEVER TALK ATTENDANCE SMACK! Only ECU can do that... Loser

This coming from a tulane fan lol, how can i take you seriously. Your trying to talk smack when your worse then our school. I mean i almost feel bad it likes fighting a child. As bad as our attendance was it was still 10x better than tulane. Also if you knew anything you would know the section allotted for students has never not been sold out but eh dont let facts get in your way.

Wrong again... BS Houst on Talking attendance smack is well documented by everyone.!! Real UH fans don't do it... Seriously.. 10x would put you at 200,000 a game which is. A lie!! And don't try to say it was just general speaking. Let's deal in facts and you can't do that.

Sounds like somes feelers are hurt. Do you need tickle me elmo to hug you?

Actually it's fun arguing with someone who looks like a 5 and thinks they are a 10 trying to hold a Beauty contest! Butterface ?

(05-10-2016 04:00 PM)pablowow Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 03:23 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 03:13 PM)pablowow Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 02:29 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 01:49 PM)pablowow Wrote:  Ok are we going to go over this again! Your school has over 35,000 students and until this year you can't even average your student base attendance! Let's talk about your basketball for a school that has 35,000 students YOU OF ALL SCHOOLS SHOULD NEVER TALK ATTENDANCE SMACK! Only ECU can do that... Loser

This coming from a tulane fan lol, how can i take you seriously. Your trying to talk smack when your worse then our school. I mean i almost feel bad it likes fighting a child. As bad as our attendance was it was still 10x better than tulane. Also if you knew anything you would know the section allotted for students has never not been sold out but eh dont let facts get in your way.

Wrong again... BS Houst on Talking attendance smack is well documented by everyone.!! Real UH fans don't do it... Seriously.. 10x would put you at 200,000 a game which is. A lie!! And don't try to say it was just general speaking. Let's deal in facts and you can't do that.

Sounds like somes feelers are hurt. Do you need tickle me elmo to hug you?

Actually it's fun arguing with someone who looks like a 5 and thinks they are a 10 trying to hold a Beauty contest! Butterface ?

Ohhh burn! Look guys I just got burned!! What ever shall I do? BTW how does some one look like the number 5? Not sure how stating facts constitutes a beauty contest.

(05-09-2016 07:03 PM)Enviro5609 Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 06:34 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 04:59 PM)GreenWave16 Wrote:  It certainly makes sense to me. Tulane is at the top of the list for Big 12 expansion, we always have been. Our peers are Texas, Oklahoma, and so on. We are more in line with those schools not ECU, South Florida and other AAC schools. I do not know how realistic this Big 16 is but Tulane to the Big 12 is about as realistic as it gets.

"peers"...What do you mean by peers? Do you mean that because you're more geographically central to them?

Because that's just about the only similarity between an academically-centric private school of less than 10k in Louisiana and state public flagship behemoth schools in TX and OK.

Neither ECU nor Tulane are in similar situations to those schools.

Don't be dense. He's speaking about academic/institutional prestige. AAU status. And the BigXII isn't full of UT/OUs. Tulane has more in common with TCU, Baylor, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, Texas Tech than it does with Memphis, East Carolina or U_Fs. There is a reason why there are only 3 AAU member institutions in the entire G5, but they are a strong plurality in the P5.

There's also the history. You can find game day programs of Tulane and Texas playing each other in big time football 100 years ago, 90 years ago, 70 years ago, 50 years ago, etc. Only other AAC team that can make a claim like that is Houston or Temple. The first sugar bowl was Tulane vs Temple.

Yeah, Tulane isn't an out and out favorite. But to dismiss them as having no chance and being a nobody is just showing off how little you know about college sports and what college presidents care about. Tulane is a blue blood, even if they've only just started emphasizing sports again for the first time in 20 years. We've been playing D1 football and baseball since before ECU even existed. P5 programs have that kind of pedigree. ECU doesn't.

Tulane is SO smart they dropped out of the SEC. Congrats on the next Big 12 invite.

(05-09-2016 04:03 PM)Tigermemphis Wrote:  http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...ooked-like

TM

Funny SEC is not looking for a big TV market - whoever; if they ever add a team it is because they can control a significant portion of the entire state TV market or in the case of A&M (Texas is the size of three or four southern states)...stop reading and started laughing at Charlotte being in the SEC... seriously.

(05-10-2016 03:58 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 10:42 AM)Enviro5609 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 10:19 AM)First Mate Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 07:03 PM)Enviro5609 Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 06:34 PM)PiratePanther189 Wrote:  "peers"...What do you mean by peers? Do you mean that because you're more geographically central to them?

Because that's just about the only similarity between an academically-centric private school of less than 10k in Louisiana and state public flagship behemoth schools in TX and OK.

Neither ECU nor Tulane are in similar situations to those schools.

Don't be dense. He's speaking about academic/institutional prestige. AAU status. And the BigXII isn't full of UT/OUs. Tulane has more in common with TCU, Baylor, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, Texas Tech than it does with Memphis, East Carolina or U_Fs. There is a reason why there are only 3 AAU member institutions in the entire G5, but they are a strong plurality in the P5.

There's also the history. You can find game day programs of Tulane and Texas playing each other in big time football 100 years ago, 90 years ago, 70 years ago, 50 years ago, etc. Only other AAC team that can make a claim like that is Houston or Temple. The first sugar bowl was Tulane vs Temple.

Yeah, Tulane isn't an out and out favorite. But to dismiss them as having no chance and being a nobody is just showing off how little you know about college sports and what college presidents care about. Tulane is a blue blood, even if they've only just started emphasizing sports again for the first time in 20 years. We've been playing D1 football and baseball since before ECU even existed. P5 programs have that kind of pedigree. ECU doesn't.

How many P5 wins does Tulame have in the past 25 years? How many fans? Not many on either account. No one in the P5 wants to play at Tulane in front of 10 people who got free tickets. That looks like crap on TV too. Just like it does now when anyone plays at Tulane. No chance.

9 wins against p5 in the last 25 years. Just as many really close games that could have gone either way. Includes a 12-0 season before the BCS allowed non BCS conferences to play in BCS bowl games. Heck, we are the reason why they created the BCS buster rule. Should have played Tenn that year in the Sugar Bowl, ended up in Liberty v BYU. Would have been in the playoff under new system.

You just don't like Tulane. Its pretty obvious. 10 fans? Free tickets? Please. We have 15K season ticket holders alone in football. Georgia Tech and Duke were both hard sellouts. We set the record at the New Orleans bowl for attendance (60k+). 55k came to watch Texas v Tulane in the dome a few years back. We always pack the place for big name opponents. Not our fault no one in Nola wants to come see East Carolina or Southern Florida. Theres about 30k Tulane fans in New Orleans area who will show up for big games. Its just not a mid-major town. Hardcore group of fans is only about 10K (the rest of the season tickets are usually just a way casual fans stay connected/donate)-- but there are lots of casual fans who turn out when its worth the effort. We aren't Greenville, NC, this is New Orleans. There are better things to do on a fall Saturday than watch a football game against teams with cardinal directions in their names.

You really don't know jack about conference realignment, do you?

I know plenty. New Orleans got you in the AAC I'll give you that. Which was a big mistake. You obviously have never watched any of Tulanes games on TV. It's a joke. You compare more to UAB than teams in the freaking Big 12. I've seen ECU play at both places and it looks the same, no one is there. C'mon man.

You can talk about 15k season ticket holders all day but no one shows up. TV execs want the market yes but they have finally figured out that if the school doesn't deliver said market it doesn't mean squat. If TV market was all that mattered all the SEC schools wouldn't be in the P5 bc they are in smaller markets.

Being located in Greenville, NC definitely doesn't help ECU. However, NC is the 9th largest state now and we are one hour from Raleigh which is a top 25 market. Package that with a full stadium and great atmosphere that makes a good product for TV. I guarantee you ECU games outrank Tulane on ESPN every week, by a large margin.

You are obviously trolling, Tulane absolutely delivers the New Orleans market and some of the Mississippi Gulf Coast as well. We are New Orleans, that is our city and we own it. Tulane an athletic and academic giant and that's a fact.

(05-10-2016 01:27 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 01:14 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 01:06 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 12:53 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 12:50 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  Lol. I've seen some sparse UH crowds. Cougs are fairweather fans.

Ya but we averaged 32,000 this year. The lower bowl was never empty. Plus we had 3 sellouts of 44,000

What kills me about Houston is they are a sleeping giant. A Big 12 Invite would change them into a beast overnight. I can see crowds over 50K regularly.... But I also dont see Texas and their cronies ever letting it happen.

Its one of the reasons I hope something crazy like Texas and OU going to the Big 10 or Pac 12. I think a Big 12 with TCU, Baylor, Kansas, KSU, WVU and ISU would still move Houston into a major player and that new Big 12 would NEED Houston to keep that market, since from what Ive seen TCU and Baylor have almost no support there.

This is the same way I feel. Its almost like the bigger schools know this and are trying to keep us down for that reason.

If I am Tech, TCU and Baylor, I know I dont want Houston in my conference. They pull a bunch of talent from there and yall would hurt their recruiting efforts... and soon, those three may not have Texas there to help exclude you out.

Long term, Houston will be in some form of the Big 12. Without Texas, The Big 12 wont keep most of the Texas market... Houstons numbers in Dallas/Ft Worth are decent. TCU may need you to help secure that market too. THey do well but are a Distant third there.

I actually LOVE the idea of a new Big 12. Being in the current one make it really hard to compete. You have several schools with budgets that are impossible to go against.

If you had a west of ISU, KSU, Kansas, TCU, Baylor, Houston, Air Force and BYU, and an east of WVU, Uconn, Cinci, Memphis, USF, UCF, Navy and Temple... well now you have a conference of relative equals.... and we can keep together a group of teams I really enjoy playing. I like Cinci and Uconn. Weve been playing them for so long, I hate to not. Ive grown to enjoy Houston, Memphis and Temple... UCF I hate, but I want to continue hating them. Its kinda fun and honestly combined, we make a big dent in the Florida market.

That conference I listed is the one I dream about. I could be happy there for a long time. Even if it make less than the other P5s.... though I think it would be equal to the ACC.

Yup, I honestly don't care if we don't make the same money as the current p5 schools, I just want a set up to where it's possible one of our teams could play for a NC any given year which is far from the case now.

And you're right, actually many of the AAC schools are kinda on the bubble to where if you threw them on a level playing field with their p5 counter parts they would thrive.. To me Houston is going to have one of the hardest times finding its way into one of those conference of any of the potential candidates regardless of w/l's.

UCF is a good example that going 0-12 won't hurt you that much as a candidate if you're in the right market, just like houston going 13-1 didn't help much to move the needle.

Maybe the b12 blows up and we take the top of the AAC with the leftover b12.. but honestly, it wouldn't be any more stable unless the playoff expanded to have the conference championship count as a playoff birth.

(05-10-2016 05:30 PM)GreenWave16 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 03:58 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 10:42 AM)Enviro5609 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 10:19 AM)First Mate Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 07:03 PM)Enviro5609 Wrote:  Don't be dense. He's speaking about academic/institutional prestige. AAU status. And the BigXII isn't full of UT/OUs. Tulane has more in common with TCU, Baylor, Iowa St, Kansas, Kansas St, Texas Tech than it does with Memphis, East Carolina or U_Fs. There is a reason why there are only 3 AAU member institutions in the entire G5, but they are a strong plurality in the P5.

There's also the history. You can find game day programs of Tulane and Texas playing each other in big time football 100 years ago, 90 years ago, 70 years ago, 50 years ago, etc. Only other AAC team that can make a claim like that is Houston or Temple. The first sugar bowl was Tulane vs Temple.

Yeah, Tulane isn't an out and out favorite. But to dismiss them as having no chance and being a nobody is just showing off how little you know about college sports and what college presidents care about. Tulane is a blue blood, even if they've only just started emphasizing sports again for the first time in 20 years. We've been playing D1 football and baseball since before ECU even existed. P5 programs have that kind of pedigree. ECU doesn't.

How many P5 wins does Tulame have in the past 25 years? How many fans? Not many on either account. No one in the P5 wants to play at Tulane in front of 10 people who got free tickets. That looks like crap on TV too. Just like it does now when anyone plays at Tulane. No chance.

9 wins against p5 in the last 25 years. Just as many really close games that could have gone either way. Includes a 12-0 season before the BCS allowed non BCS conferences to play in BCS bowl games. Heck, we are the reason why they created the BCS buster rule. Should have played Tenn that year in the Sugar Bowl, ended up in Liberty v BYU. Would have been in the playoff under new system.

You just don't like Tulane. Its pretty obvious. 10 fans? Free tickets? Please. We have 15K season ticket holders alone in football. Georgia Tech and Duke were both hard sellouts. We set the record at the New Orleans bowl for attendance (60k+). 55k came to watch Texas v Tulane in the dome a few years back. We always pack the place for big name opponents. Not our fault no one in Nola wants to come see East Carolina or Southern Florida. Theres about 30k Tulane fans in New Orleans area who will show up for big games. Its just not a mid-major town. Hardcore group of fans is only about 10K (the rest of the season tickets are usually just a way casual fans stay connected/donate)-- but there are lots of casual fans who turn out when its worth the effort. We aren't Greenville, NC, this is New Orleans. There are better things to do on a fall Saturday than watch a football game against teams with cardinal directions in their names.

You really don't know jack about conference realignment, do you?

I know plenty. New Orleans got you in the AAC I'll give you that. Which was a big mistake. You obviously have never watched any of Tulanes games on TV. It's a joke. You compare more to UAB than teams in the freaking Big 12. I've seen ECU play at both places and it looks the same, no one is there. C'mon man.

You can talk about 15k season ticket holders all day but no one shows up. TV execs want the market yes but they have finally figured out that if the school doesn't deliver said market it doesn't mean squat. If TV market was all that mattered all the SEC schools wouldn't be in the P5 bc they are in smaller markets.

Being located in Greenville, NC definitely doesn't help ECU. However, NC is the 9th largest state now and we are one hour from Raleigh which is a top 25 market. Package that with a full stadium and great atmosphere that makes a good product for TV. I guarantee you ECU games outrank Tulane on ESPN every week, by a large margin.

You are obviously trolling, Tulane absolutely delivers the New Orleans market and some of the Mississippi Gulf Coast as well. We are New Orleans, that is our city and we own it. Tulane an athletic and academic giant and that's a fact.

GreenWave16, you must be on some serious medication..that obviously not working and having some serious side affects..thinking that Tulane is an ATHLETIC Giant..lol.

You must be a stand up comic down there on Bourbon Street in New Orleans...because you are hilarious .

(05-10-2016 08:53 PM)Jayesseagle Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 05:30 PM)GreenWave16 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 03:58 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 10:42 AM)Enviro5609 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 10:19 AM)First Mate Wrote:  How many P5 wins does Tulame have in the past 25 years? How many fans? Not many on either account. No one in the P5 wants to play at Tulane in front of 10 people who got free tickets. That looks like crap on TV too. Just like it does now when anyone plays at Tulane. No chance.

9 wins against p5 in the last 25 years. Just as many really close games that could have gone either way. Includes a 12-0 season before the BCS allowed non BCS conferences to play in BCS bowl games. Heck, we are the reason why they created the BCS buster rule. Should have played Tenn that year in the Sugar Bowl, ended up in Liberty v BYU. Would have been in the playoff under new system.

You just don't like Tulane. Its pretty obvious. 10 fans? Free tickets? Please. We have 15K season ticket holders alone in football. Georgia Tech and Duke were both hard sellouts. We set the record at the New Orleans bowl for attendance (60k+). 55k came to watch Texas v Tulane in the dome a few years back. We always pack the place for big name opponents. Not our fault no one in Nola wants to come see East Carolina or Southern Florida. Theres about 30k Tulane fans in New Orleans area who will show up for big games. Its just not a mid-major town. Hardcore group of fans is only about 10K (the rest of the season tickets are usually just a way casual fans stay connected/donate)-- but there are lots of casual fans who turn out when its worth the effort. We aren't Greenville, NC, this is New Orleans. There are better things to do on a fall Saturday than watch a football game against teams with cardinal directions in their names.

You really don't know jack about conference realignment, do you?

I know plenty. New Orleans got you in the AAC I'll give you that. Which was a big mistake. You obviously have never watched any of Tulanes games on TV. It's a joke. You compare more to UAB than teams in the freaking Big 12. I've seen ECU play at both places and it looks the same, no one is there. C'mon man.

You can talk about 15k season ticket holders all day but no one shows up. TV execs want the market yes but they have finally figured out that if the school doesn't deliver said market it doesn't mean squat. If TV market was all that mattered all the SEC schools wouldn't be in the P5 bc they are in smaller markets.

Being located in Greenville, NC definitely doesn't help ECU. However, NC is the 9th largest state now and we are one hour from Raleigh which is a top 25 market. Package that with a full stadium and great atmosphere that makes a good product for TV. I guarantee you ECU games outrank Tulane on ESPN every week, by a large margin.

You are obviously trolling, Tulane absolutely delivers the New Orleans market and some of the Mississippi Gulf Coast as well. We are New Orleans, that is our city and we own it. Tulane an athletic and academic giant and that's a fact.

GreenWave16, you must be on some serious medication..that obviously not working and having some serious side affects..thinking that Tulane is an ATHLETIC Giant..lol.

You must be a stand up comic down there on Bourbon Street in New Orleans...because you are hilarious .

Nah he is just another crazy resident that consumes too much liquor.

Yes, we like us some booze.

When you talk "delivering the market" it's helpful to understand what that means. It's not eyeballs or ratings-- its can the "BigXII network" be put on everyone's basic cable packages and get the $ per subscriber from the content provider. If the cable provider says no, do you have enough of the market to win the blackout war. You saw this play out with the SEC network, when companies balked at how much ESPN wanted per subscriber. ESPN won. Even though I never watch LSU, it's in my New Orleans package so I pay for it.

The LHN network is already in Nola too. Making it a BigXII network and upping the per subscriber fee because Tulane and rest of BigXII is included wouldn't be a stretch. Putting the BIGXII network on a basic package in a market that doesn't currently have LHN is a harder sell. And they may end up losing the Nola market entirely because without Tulane it would be a hard sell to win the blackout war if Cox balked. Imagine the ads "Call Cox and demand the BigXII network so you don't miss out on your.... Memphis/Cincy games?"

Which is just another plus in Tulane's collum.

(05-11-2016 12:14 PM)Enviro5609 Wrote:  When you talk "delivering the market" it's helpful to understand what that means. It's not eyeballs or ratings-- its can the "BigXII network" be put on everyone's basic cable packages and get the $ per subscriber from the content provider. If the cable provider says no, do you have enough of the market to win the blackout war. You saw this play out with the SEC network, when companies balked at how much ESPN wanted per subscriber. ESPN won. Even though I never watch LSU, it's in my New Orleans package so I pay for it.

The LHN network is already in Nola too. Making it a BigXII network and upping the per subscriber fee because Tulane and rest of BigXII is included wouldn't be a stretch. Putting the BIGXII network on a basic package in a market that doesn't currently have LHN is a harder sell. And they may end up losing the Nola market entirely because without Tulane it would be a hard sell to win the blackout war if Cox balked. Imagine the ads "Call Cox and demand the BigXII network so you don't miss out on your.... Memphis/Cincy games?"

Which is just another plus in Tulane's collum.

Tulane is not going to the Big 12. Period. End of Story. You would be somewhere around 10th in line.

(05-11-2016 01:46 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(05-11-2016 12:14 PM)Enviro5609 Wrote:  When you talk "delivering the market" it's helpful to understand what that means. It's not eyeballs or ratings-- its can the "BigXII network" be put on everyone's basic cable packages and get the $ per subscriber from the content provider. If the cable provider says no, do you have enough of the market to win the blackout war. You saw this play out with the SEC network, when companies balked at how much ESPN wanted per subscriber. ESPN won. Even though I never watch LSU, it's in my New Orleans package so I pay for it.

The LHN network is already in Nola too. Making it a BigXII network and upping the per subscriber fee because Tulane and rest of BigXII is included wouldn't be a stretch. Putting the BIGXII network on a basic package in a market that doesn't currently have LHN is a harder sell. And they may end up losing the Nola market entirely because without Tulane it would be a hard sell to win the blackout war if Cox balked. Imagine the ads "Call Cox and demand the BigXII network so you don't miss out on your.... Memphis/Cincy games?"

Which is just another plus in Tulane's collum.

Tulane is not going to the Big 12. Period. End of Story. You would be somewhere around 10th in line.

Nice rebuttal there. Really got into the specifics and details that actually drive conference realignment.

(05-11-2016 01:50 PM)Enviro5609 Wrote:  

(05-11-2016 01:46 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(05-11-2016 12:14 PM)Enviro5609 Wrote:  When you talk "delivering the market" it's helpful to understand what that means. It's not eyeballs or ratings-- its can the "BigXII network" be put on everyone's basic cable packages and get the $ per subscriber from the content provider. If the cable provider says no, do you have enough of the market to win the blackout war. You saw this play out with the SEC network, when companies balked at how much ESPN wanted per subscriber. ESPN won. Even though I never watch LSU, it's in my New Orleans package so I pay for it.

The LHN network is already in Nola too. Making it a BigXII network and upping the per subscriber fee because Tulane and rest of BigXII is included wouldn't be a stretch. Putting the BIGXII network on a basic package in a market that doesn't currently have LHN is a harder sell. And they may end up losing the Nola market entirely because without Tulane it would be a hard sell to win the blackout war if Cox balked. Imagine the ads "Call Cox and demand the BigXII network so you don't miss out on your.... Memphis/Cincy games?"

Which is just another plus in Tulane's collum.

Tulane is not going to the Big 12. Period. End of Story. You would be somewhere around 10th in line.

Nice rebuttal there. Really got into the specifics and details that actually drive conference realignment.

Your on the wrong board if you expect insightful rebuttals.

Reasons number 1 and 1A for Tulane not being in the Big 12:

1.They don't even begin to command their media market which is completely saturated by the SEC. (Same problem for Tulsa in regards to the Big 12 saturating ours)

2. They're just terrible at both major sports and have been (barring the odd +.500 year or two) for 30 or so years.

That's all you need. There's no other discussions or excuses.

(05-11-2016 01:46 PM)invisiblehand Wrote:  

(05-11-2016 12:14 PM)Enviro5609 Wrote:  When you talk "delivering the market" it's helpful to understand what that means. It's not eyeballs or ratings-- its can the "BigXII network" be put on everyone's basic cable packages and get the $ per subscriber from the content provider. If the cable provider says no, do you have enough of the market to win the blackout war. You saw this play out with the SEC network, when companies balked at how much ESPN wanted per subscriber. ESPN won. Even though I never watch LSU, it's in my New Orleans package so I pay for it.

The LHN network is already in Nola too. Making it a BigXII network and upping the per subscriber fee because Tulane and rest of BigXII is included wouldn't be a stretch. Putting the BIGXII network on a basic package in a market that doesn't currently have LHN is a harder sell. And they may end up losing the Nola market entirely because without Tulane it would be a hard sell to win the blackout war if Cox balked. Imagine the ads "Call Cox and demand the BigXII network so you don't miss out on your.... Memphis/Cincy games?"

Which is just another plus in Tulane's collum.

Tulane is not going to the Big 12. Period. End of Story. You would be somewhere around 10th in line.

Thanks for you opinion. I will file that under. You don't know ****. But hey it's ok.