(05-09-2016 08:00 PM)knightastic Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 06:47 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 05:14 PM)Kronke Wrote:  How is USF academically "head and shoulders above" any of the potential candidates, much less everyone?

The only other thing I took from those articles is that they're trying to spin nothing into something. "Yeah, no one's talking about us, but that is because we're being very calculated and holding our cards close to the vest." Yeah, not buying it.

So his sources are wrong in your opinion.

The guy that runs that blog is the most delusional USF fan on the Internet.

He thinks he is some sort of reliable source bc he worked at USF over a decade ago , he doesn't realize that Lee Roy Selmon is not walking through that door. The current situation at USF is very different , they are not even top 3 in Booster Donations in the AAC

Is usf hurting for booster money?

(05-09-2016 08:00 PM)knightastic Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 06:47 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 05:14 PM)Kronke Wrote:  How is USF academically "head and shoulders above" any of the potential candidates, much less everyone?

The only other thing I took from those articles is that they're trying to spin nothing into something. "Yeah, no one's talking about us, but that is because we're being very calculated and holding our cards close to the vest." Yeah, not buying it.

So his sources are wrong in your opinion.

The guy that runs that blog is the most delusional USF fan on the Internet.

He thinks he is some sort of reliable source bc he worked at USF over a decade ago , he doesn't realize that Lee Roy Selmon is not walking through that door. The current situation at USF is very different , they are not even top 3 in Booster Donations in the AAC

First off you are correct on a couple of points.
Yes Leroy Selmon is not around but USF has done a good job of assembling community leaders to support their case. The Bucs organization being one of them.
Secondly you are correct our booster levels were never great and have hit rock bottom after the last few losing seasons. Harlan is addressing that and winning will help, but all expansion candidates have their pluses and weaknesses.
There is a lot of good points USF can make to the Big12 and I won't bore this board on them because in reality no one here will make any expansion decisions.

As I said ALL expansion candidates have their pluses and minuses. I feel good with the direction USF is headed and our AD has made it a point as he did in that letter to keep reminding all Bull supporters that we need to keep getting better in all facets from winning games, attendance, booster support, facilities, coaches as the university also improves its endowment ,research dollars, graduation rates etc. if we keep improving in all those categories as we are currently doing we will look better as an expansion candidate.

I hate threads like this because it becomes a back and forth by fans trying to push up or down schools.

Right, Collin Sherwin is delusional. Clearly not enough of you know who he is or you wouldn't be saying that. Not that I blame the NON-USF people, you aren't expected to know who he is. Sherwin is not just some fan. He's got sources inside USF that know the entire story. He's told me stuff that only became public knowledge months later. He fundraiser for USF athletics as a private citizen and is a booster himself. I believe Sherwin 100%

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(05-09-2016 08:20 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I hate threads like this because it becomes a back and forth by fans trying to push up or down schools.

I think we're still all wondering how USF is academically "head and shoulders above all other candidates except UConn".

When someone spews nonsense like that, it doesn't set the table for a very productive discussion.

(05-09-2016 09:32 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 08:20 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I hate threads like this because it becomes a back and forth by fans trying to push up or down schools.

I think we're still all wondering how USF is academically "head and shoulders above all other candidates except UConn".

When someone spews nonsense like that, it doesn't set the table for a very productive discussion.

Yup!

(05-09-2016 09:32 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 08:20 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I hate threads like this because it becomes a back and forth by fans trying to push up or down schools.

I think we're still all wondering how USF is academically "head and shoulders above all other candidates except UConn".

When someone spews nonsense like that, it doesn't set the table for a very productive discussion.

Yes it was a dumb comment but so have others I have read from other so called experts. The reality is that USF academics are not head and shoulders ahead and not the dregs some on here would believe. USF academics has come a long way in past 20 years and when you look at things like research dollars would be at the top of those in AAC or any other Big12 contender

Taking this stuff too seriously... He is talking to his alumni and donors, what do you all expect him to say?? He is just doing his job.

For some reason (lol) USF seems to get some folks heads spinning...

(05-10-2016 08:21 AM)Bull Wrote:  Taking this stuff too seriously... He is talking to his alumni and donors, what do you all expect him to say?? He is just doing his job.

For some reason (lol) USF seems to get some folks heads spinning...

That stupid sentence about being academically head and shoulders above the rest wasn't said to donors. It's just one of USFs idiotic beat writers making that claim.

I'll give you some benchmarks to enlighten you who seem to be living in the days we were a commuter school. WE aren't. We are top ten yearly in patents approved. We are the #2 university in research dollars in the state of Florida. Our university is academically more selective and our six year graduation rate is up 15 percent in the last five years. It was a poorly stated comment, but it wasn't without some basis.

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Pretty interesting responses in this thread.

USF is just the bestest. They got that pirate ship and hundreds of alums.

(05-10-2016 11:07 AM)shere khan Wrote:  USF is just the bestest. They got that pirate ship and hundreds of alums.

ALL HAIL USF!!!

(05-09-2016 08:40 PM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  Right, Collin Sherwin is delusional. Clearly not enough of you know who he is or you wouldn't be saying that. Not that I blame the NON-USF people, you aren't expected to know who he is. Sherwin is not just some fan. He's got sources inside USF that know the entire story. He's told me stuff that only became public knowledge months later. He fundraiser for USF athletics as a private citizen and is a booster himself. I believe Sherwin 100%

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People have no clue who he is... Sherwin was on the staff that wrote the proposal that got USF into the Big East. He literally wrote the majority of the document which sealed the deal. He is very in the know.

As far as being head and shoulders above.... it depends on how you look at it. Nobody in the AAC or MWC touches our academic Research dollar ranking. Were top 25 in the nation for public schools and top 40 overall. There are alot of AAU universities that dont do as much.
Then if you look at research patents, were top 10 in the nation. Those are facts and not some stupid ranking service like US News, who has been proven time and time again to have severe issues with their rankings. (like ranking programs that dont exist)
Then if we compare endowment, there are a few ahead of us. cinci and Uconn are far ahead, but schools like UCF and Memphis are far behind.

Using those factors, I think there is a seperation in who is the academic elite in the AAC and who isnt. I wouldnt say USF is above everyone in the AAC, but among the likely expansion schools, were toward the top.

(btw, fundraising is also seen as a sign of academic success... USFs is in middle of raising $1 Billion. Were a bit over $930 million toward that goal. Very few in the G5 can pull that off. Cinci and Uconn come to mind)

(05-10-2016 12:01 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 11:07 AM)shere khan Wrote:  USF is just the bestest. They got that pirate ship and hundreds of alums.

ALL HAIL USF!!!

Really. USF is too good for the big12

(05-10-2016 12:29 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 12:01 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 11:07 AM)shere khan Wrote:  USF is just the bestest. They got that pirate ship and hundreds of alums.

ALL HAIL USF!!!

Really. USF is too good for the big12

Totally agree they should demand a B1G invite.

Didn't UT schedule a home and home with UCF and a 2 for 1 with USF. Clearly UCF is viewed as a peer and USF is not.

(05-10-2016 12:51 PM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  Didn't UT schedule a home and home with UCF and a 2 for 1 with USF. Clearly UCF is viewed as a peer and USF is not.

We got $1.2 million for that return. I like that setup ALOT.

(05-10-2016 12:28 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  As far as being head and shoulders above.... it depends on how you look at it.

It really doesn't.

(05-10-2016 01:15 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 12:28 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  As far as being head and shoulders above.... it depends on how you look at it.

It really doesn't.

Great argument. Love how you supported all of that.

(05-10-2016 01:18 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 01:15 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 12:28 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  As far as being head and shoulders above.... it depends on how you look at it.

It really doesn't.

Great argument. Love how you supported all of that.

I don't need a great argument against nonsense.

USF is a decent school in it's own right (as is everyone in the AAC, that's why they're here), but it isn't "head and shoulders above" any of Cincy, Temple, Houston, UCF, Colorado State, etc., much less all of them, and it sure as hell isn't above SMU, Tulane, Tulsa and BYU.

Cuban already agreed that it was a dumb thing to say, so it's funny to see USF fans continue to try and spin it with claims about fundraising (as if that is a concept exclusive to USF), patents (lol), endowment (in which they are middle of the pack), research dollars, etc.