...go after Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU and Houston.

That's the only way they're going to legitimately expand. They need Oklahoma, and they need the state of Texas accessibility, or else they will be left behind.

(05-09-2016 03:22 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  ...go after Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU and Houston.

That's the only way they're going to legitimately expand. They need Oklahoma, and they need the state of Texas accessibility, or else they will be left behind.

PAC 12 North
Cal
Stanford
Oregon
Oregon State
Washington
Washington State
Utah
Colorado

PAC 12 South
USC
UCLA
Arizona
Arizona State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
TCU
Houston

I wouldn't be completely floored if the Pac-12 added Oklahoma and Houston. 14 members aligns them with the other conferences, and allows them to keep their current divisions essentially intact, with the South taking the new members and Utah getting bumped to the North.

UNLV and Hawaii to add great vacation spots for the visiting fans!

(05-09-2016 03:29 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 03:22 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  ...go after Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU and Houston.

That's the only way they're going to legitimately expand. They need Oklahoma, and they need the state of Texas accessibility, or else they will be left behind.

PAC 12 North
Cal
Stanford
Oregon
Oregon State
Washington
Washington State
Utah
Colorado

PAC 12 South
USC
UCLA
Arizona
Arizona State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
TCU
Houston

Can't imagine the California schools would want to be separated, so swap USC/UCLA and Utah/Colorado. That gives you the Pac 8 in one division and the more recent additions in the other.

(05-09-2016 03:29 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 03:22 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  ...go after Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU and Houston.

That's the only way they're going to legitimately expand. They need Oklahoma, and they need the state of Texas accessibility, or else they will be left behind.

PAC 12 North
Cal
Stanford
Oregon
Oregon State
Washington
Washington State
Utah
Colorado

PAC 12 South
USC
UCLA
Arizona
Arizona State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
TCU
Houston

I like it (go figure.....) but you are not going to have the original 8 swallow a pill where they are split up. You have to start and end with UCLA, Cal, Stanford, USC, Washington, Washington St, Oregon, and Oregon State and go from there.

Personally I see the Pac (if they expanded) going to 16 and restoring the original 8 in a division and the rest in the "East"

so that would look like:

West: UCLA, Cal, Stanford, USC, Washington, Washington St, Oregon, and Oregon State

East: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah, TCU, Houston.

I know they are split now but if you're going to 16 you're not getting them to agree if they aren't together.

I know TCU is "Christian" in name only but would the PAC be willing to take a religious school? I know they would not take BYU or Baylor.

Also, I don't know how Arizona and A St. would feel about being separated from the original Pac 8 and losing their California recruiting grounds, but the only way a 16 team league works in one division based in Cal the other in Texas.

I do not see the Pac going to just 14. But if they can not get Texas or Oklahoma, Houston might make sense for them. Their "second tier" candidates would be Hawaii, New Mexico, UNLV, Boise, Houston, and Rice. SDSU is essentially their version of Houston to the Big 12.

Hawaii opens Asia markets and New Mexico has strong academics. I could see Hawaii (football only), New Mexico, UNLV and Houston being a reasonable option, especially if UNLV winds up sharing a field with the Raiders. In fact I am not sure how New Mexico matches up with options like Kansas State, Iowa State, or Oklahoma State if those are the remaining pieces of a Big 12 that has been picked over by SEC/Big 12. New Mexico has 1) better market 2) better academic 3) worse football.

(05-09-2016 03:52 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 03:29 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 03:22 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  ...go after Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU and Houston.

That's the only way they're going to legitimately expand. They need Oklahoma, and they need the state of Texas accessibility, or else they will be left behind.

PAC 12 North
Cal
Stanford
Oregon
Oregon State
Washington
Washington State
Utah
Colorado

PAC 12 South
USC
UCLA
Arizona
Arizona State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
TCU
Houston

I like it (go figure.....) but you are not going to have the original 8 swallow a pill where they are split up. You have to start and end with UCLA, Cal, Stanford, USC, Washington, Washington St, Oregon, and Oregon State and go from there.

Personally I see the Pac (if they expanded) going to 16 and restoring the original 8 in a division and the rest in the "East"

so that would look like:

West: UCLA, Cal, Stanford, USC, Washington, Washington St, Oregon, and Oregon State

East: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah, TCU, Houston.

I know they are split now but if you're going to 16 you're not getting them to agree if they aren't together.

And that lineup gives you 4 no votes-UA, ASU, CU and Utah.

(05-09-2016 03:52 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 03:29 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 03:22 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  ...go after Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU and Houston.

That's the only way they're going to legitimately expand. They need Oklahoma, and they need the state of Texas accessibility, or else they will be left behind.

PAC 12 North
Cal
Stanford
Oregon
Oregon State
Washington
Washington State
Utah
Colorado

PAC 12 South
USC
UCLA
Arizona
Arizona State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
TCU
Houston

I like it (go figure.....) but you are not going to have the original 8 swallow a pill where they are split up. You have to start and end with UCLA, Cal, Stanford, USC, Washington, Washington St, Oregon, and Oregon State and go from there.

Personally I see the Pac (if they expanded) going to 16 and restoring the original 8 in a division and the rest in the "East"

so that would look like:

West: UCLA, Cal, Stanford, USC, Washington, Washington St, Oregon, and Oregon State

East: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah, TCU, Houston.

I know they are split now but if you're going to 16 you're not getting them to agree if they aren't together.

I'm not sure how many votes it takes to veto something in the PAC, but my sense here is that the four schools that weren't in the original PAC 8 joined that league because they didn't want to be part of a league/division that was more southwest than Pacific. If you put them in this configuration you will have some very unhappy members. They are going to want some guarantees this won't happen, IMO.

(05-09-2016 04:52 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 03:52 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 03:29 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 03:22 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  ...go after Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU and Houston.

That's the only way they're going to legitimately expand. They need Oklahoma, and they need the state of Texas accessibility, or else they will be left behind.

PAC 12 North
Cal
Stanford
Oregon
Oregon State
Washington
Washington State
Utah
Colorado

PAC 12 South
USC
UCLA
Arizona
Arizona State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
TCU
Houston

I like it (go figure.....) but you are not going to have the original 8 swallow a pill where they are split up. You have to start and end with UCLA, Cal, Stanford, USC, Washington, Washington St, Oregon, and Oregon State and go from there.

Personally I see the Pac (if they expanded) going to 16 and restoring the original 8 in a division and the rest in the "East"

so that would look like:

West: UCLA, Cal, Stanford, USC, Washington, Washington St, Oregon, and Oregon State

East: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah, TCU, Houston.

I know they are split now but if you're going to 16 you're not getting them to agree if they aren't together.

And that lineup gives you 4 no votes-UA, ASU, CU and Utah.

Perhaps a protected crossover game with the Southern California schools would placate the Arizona schools.

As for Colorado and Utah, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯? I mean, they'd still be in with the Arizonas and they'd add Oklahoma. Sucks to lose USC and UCLA, but it'd suck more to be in what's left of the Big 12 or the MWC, respectively.

Something important to consider is that Utah and Colorado don't want to get dominated by Texas schools.

In that light could a plan where the PAC takes Oklahoma and TCU work?

Add some spice to the PAC lineup. TCU is easy to get to with the DFW hub. Oklahoma is on the level of Alabama in football. Adding both could put the PAC on the same level as the SEC.

Texas has some inept leadership if they are still in the B12, IMO. The could have an ND deal with the ACC with room to play a more national schedule. Try a schedule ND style with Cal, UCLA on it every year from the West Coast, Army and maybe retain a regional rival like Oklahoma and/or Baylor to kick around. Play Army on the road in the Meadowlands like ND does with Navy at an NFL arena.

The PAC would take Rice before TCU. If the PAC were to go to 16, the only option would be zipper divisions with two protected rivals (e.g. Zipper includes USC and Furd with UCLA and Cal protected rivals for both; zipper includes UA and CU with UU and ASU protected rivals for both).

(05-09-2016 03:44 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Can't imagine the California schools would want to be separated, so swap USC/UCLA and Utah/Colorado. That gives you the Pac 8 in one division and the more recent additions in the other.

They already are separated. Utah and Colorado are currently in the Pac 12 South with the Arizona and Los Angeles schools.

(05-09-2016 05:59 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 03:44 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Can't imagine the California schools would want to be separated, so swap USC/UCLA and Utah/Colorado. That gives you the Pac 8 in one division and the more recent additions in the other.

They already are separated. Utah and Colorado are currently in the Pac 12 South with the Arizona and Los Angeles schools.

Right, because the original Pac 8 had no choice in two six-team divisions but to be broken up. With a 16-team layout, you can reunite the core eight.

(05-09-2016 06:07 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 05:59 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 03:44 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Can't imagine the California schools would want to be separated, so swap USC/UCLA and Utah/Colorado. That gives you the Pac 8 in one division and the more recent additions in the other.

They already are separated. Utah and Colorado are currently in the Pac 12 South with the Arizona and Los Angeles schools.

Right, because the original Pac 8 had no choice in two six-team divisions but to be broken up. With a 16-team layout, you can reunite the core eight.

They could but Utah, Colorado and the Arizona schools don't want that.

(05-09-2016 06:18 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 06:07 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 05:59 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 03:44 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  Can't imagine the California schools would want to be separated, so swap USC/UCLA and Utah/Colorado. That gives you the Pac 8 in one division and the more recent additions in the other.

They already are separated. Utah and Colorado are currently in the Pac 12 South with the Arizona and Los Angeles schools.

Right, because the original Pac 8 had no choice in two six-team divisions but to be broken up. With a 16-team layout, you can reunite the core eight.

They could but Utah, Colorado and the Arizona schools don't want that.

To which they'd be told, "hey, life's a trip and then you die." A Pac-16 that puts them in a different division than the Cali schools is still a damn sight better than a weakened Big 12 or Mountain West.

UW, WSU, UO, OSU
USC, UCLA, Cal, Furd
UU, CU, UA, ASU
TTU, UT, OSU, OU

You play everyone in your row plus your division mates (bold is one division). UU,CU,ASU,UA would agree.

(05-09-2016 04:32 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  I know TCU is "Christian" in name only but would the PAC be willing to take a religious school? I know they would not take BYU or Baylor.

It was less about purely being religious, and more about, in the case of BYU, politics and the BYU's role in the Church of LDS (and some of the things they were into). In the case of Baylor, memories are short around here, but at that time, Baylor had a dormant basketball program much closer to a collossal scandal, and a then horrible football history. There was just little want of the 2010 version of Baylor, which had a much different reputation than it does now.

(05-09-2016 03:22 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  ...go after Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU and Houston.

That's the only way they're going to legitimately expand. They need Oklahoma, and they need the state of Texas accessibility, or else they will be left behind.

They could have done this in 2011 or 2012, but the Pac-12 presidents didn't want to add the 2 oklahoma schools without Texas.

(05-09-2016 03:31 PM)CenterSquarEd Wrote:  I wouldn't be completely floored if the Pac-12 added Oklahoma and Houston. 14 members aligns them with the other conferences, and allows them to keep their current divisions essentially intact, with the South taking the new members and Utah getting bumped to the North.

I like this ^^^... Definitely would be a sexy looking lineup... But why not go to a PAC16 league instead.