If the ACC were to reachout and add Cincinnati before the Big 12 does then Houstons chances for a Big 12 position go up considerably. I doubt ND without NCAA rules changes come on board fulltime so it would likely that another hammer to fall on the Big12 could be UConn also added to the ACC. Leaving Big 12 BYU, BSU, Houston, Memphis, CSU, USF and UCF as only alternative additional expansion candidates.

(05-09-2016 07:52 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  If the ACC were to reachout and add Cincinnati before the Big 12 does then Houstons chances for a Big 12 position go up considerably. I doubt ND without NCAA rules changes come on board fulltime so it would likely that another hammer to fall on the Big12 could be UConn also added to the ACC. Leaving Big 12 BYU, BSU, Houston, Memphis, CSU, USF and UCF as only alternative additional expansion candidates.

Not that I believe that is going to happen, but if the ACC did come in and swept up a couple more teams which were leading contenders to join the Big 12 it would add further egg to that conference's face.

I really like Houston, and I think they'd fit the ACC just fine, but I don't think they are up for consideration as long as Texas and Notre Dame are still on the table....

If you take those two schools off, than Houston comes into play...maybe with TCU or Cincinnati

a) Considering the ACC has most of the major East Coast markets under its footprint, do we need Houston...?

b) If the Houston TV market is such a draw, let the B1G have first dibs.

c) I'm certain that Houston, the school, is at best the 3rd draw in Houston, the city, behind Texas and Texas A&M, and likely behind the rest of the SEC West.

d) Basketball-wise, the league is pretty much spoken for.

e) Tulane would be a better option before Houston.

(05-09-2016 12:13 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  a) Considering the ACC has most of the major East Coast markets under its footprint, do we need Houston...?

b) If the Houston TV market is such a draw, let the B1G have first dibs.

c) I'm certain that Houston, the school, is at best the 3rd draw in Houston, the city, behind Texas and Texas A&M, and likely behind the rest of the SEC West.

d) Basketball-wise, the league is pretty much spoken for.

e) Tulane would be a better option before Houston.

a) If the ACC doesn't yet have enough demand for a cable network, then YES, the next biggie would be Houston / Texas.
b) I'm not concerned about the Big Ten - I'm concerned about the ACC
c) Agreed, I would prefer the Longhorns.
d) We'll have to agree to disagree here - Tulane "ain't hittin' on nuthin'"

(05-08-2016 11:32 AM)BattleCougarRed_88 Wrote:  Morning to everyone!

I'm new at this forum but I wanted to ask everyone on what's their opinion on having the Houston Cougars if the ACC were to expand?

Wouldn't it help create a network by having the #10 market and also get you into Texas recruiting grounds?

Thanks!

One day y'all are going to realize that market size isn't important. If it were then the SEC would be behind the ACC because the ACC has eight Top 50 media markets and the SEC has two.

(05-08-2016 11:32 AM)BattleCougarRed_88 Wrote:  Morning to everyone!

I'm new at this forum but I wanted to ask everyone on what's their opinion on having the Houston Cougars if the ACC were to expand?

Wouldn't it help create a network by having the #10 market and also get you into Texas recruiting grounds?

Thanks!

Being in a market is meaningless. Having fans matters. The day UH can pack stadiums and attract legions of viewers and/or subscribers is the day it will be in a conference.

I don't think that UH is there.

Beyond that, fielding teams that consistently attract recruits, improve conference SOS', and generate post season money is also important. UH has enjoyed a great amount of recent success, but I'm not sold that UH is there yet, either.

Lastly, I don't think that UH fits the ACC's academic profile. Under the right circumstances, I can see the conference looking the other way, but I don't think that the right circumstances are present.

However, I would really like to see Houston in the Big XII, along with BYU, UC, and one of UCF, USF, or Memphis.

Barring that, a conference of Tulsa, Tulane, Rice, SMU, Houston, Memphis, UCF, USF, and possibly UC would be fun to watch/follow.

(05-09-2016 03:28 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  One day y'all are going to realize that market size isn't important. If it were then the SEC would be behind the ACC because the ACC has eight Top 50 media markets and the SEC has two.

Kap, I count the SEC as having 17 of the top 50 http://www.janson.com/rights/top-50-u-s-markets/

Per the website and the SEC schools favored in that market:

5 - Dallas - TAMU
9- Atlanta - Georgia/Bama/Auburn/TN
10 - Houston - TAMU/LSU
14 - Tampa - Florida
16 - Miami - Florida
19 - Orlando - Florida
21 - St. Louis - Mizzou
25 - Charlotte - South Carolina
29 - Nashville - Tennessee/Vandy
31 - KC - Mizzou
36 - San Antonio - TAMU
37 - Greenville - South Carolina
42 - Birmingham - Bama/Auburn
45 - Austin - TAMU
48 - Louisville - Kentucky
49 - Memphis - Tennessee/Vandy
50 - Jacksonville - Florida/Georgia

I suspect that New Orleans has lost so much population it has fallen below the top 50 markets, but the diaspora sent tens of thousands to Houston. I think the SEC has a strong market and what they lack in total population per the ACC or B10, they make up for with the overall popularity of College Football versus other sports.

Following the above, the ACC has:

1 - New York - Syracuse/ND/Duke
3 - Chicago - ND
4 - Philly - Pitt/ND
7 - Boston - BC/ND
8 - DC - VT/UVa
9 - Atlanta - GT
14 - Tampa - Miami/FSU
16- Miami - Miami/FSU
19 - Orlando - Miami/FSU
23 - Pittsburgh - Pitt
24 - Raleigh - UNC/NCSU/Duke/Wake
25 - Charlotte - UNC/NCSU/Clemson/Duke/Wake
26 - Indianapolis - ND/Louisville?
37 - Greenville - Clemson
46 - Greensboro - UNC/NCSU/Duke/Wake/VT
48 - Louisville - Louisville
50 - Jacksonville - Miami/FSU

I count the ACC with 17 of the top 50, but 6 of the top 10. Of the SEC's 17, they only have 3 of the top 10.

But as I have said many times, it's impossible for one sports team to monopolize a market because they can't be on the air 40 hours a week.

(05-09-2016 05:42 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 03:28 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  One day y'all are going to realize that market size isn't important. If it were then the SEC would be behind the ACC because the ACC has eight Top 50 media markets and the SEC has two.

Kap, I count the SEC as having 17 of the top 50 http://www.janson.com/rights/top-50-u-s-markets/

Per the website and the SEC schools favored in that market:

5 - Dallas - TAMU
9- Atlanta - Georgia/Bama/Auburn/TN
10 - Houston - TAMU/LSU
14 - Tampa - Florida
16 - Miami - Florida
19 - Orlando - Florida
21 - St. Louis - Mizzou
25 - Charlotte - South Carolina
29 - Nashville - Tennessee/Vandy
31 - KC - Mizzou
36 - San Antonio - TAMU
37 - Greenville - South Carolina
42 - Birmingham - Bama/Auburn
45 - Austin - TAMU
48 - Louisville - Kentucky
49 - Memphis - Tennessee/Vandy
50 - Jacksonville - Florida/Georgia

I suspect that New Orleans has lost so much population it has fallen below the top 50 markets, but the diaspora sent tens of thousands to Houston. I think the SEC has a strong market and what they lack in total population per the ACC or B10, they make up for with the overall popularity of College Football versus other sports.

Dallas is a 3 1/2 hour drive from Texas A&M College Station. Houston is only 1 hour & 20 minutes from College Station. Houston is an Aggie town not Dallas.

(05-09-2016 06:09 PM)texasorange Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 05:42 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 03:28 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  One day y'all are going to realize that market size isn't important. If it were then the SEC would be behind the ACC because the ACC has eight Top 50 media markets and the SEC has two.

Kap, I count the SEC as having 17 of the top 50 http://www.janson.com/rights/top-50-u-s-markets/

Per the website and the SEC schools favored in that market:

5 - Dallas - TAMU
9- Atlanta - Georgia/Bama/Auburn/TN
10 - Houston - TAMU/LSU
14 - Tampa - Florida
16 - Miami - Florida
19 - Orlando - Florida
21 - St. Louis - Mizzou
25 - Charlotte - South Carolina
29 - Nashville - Tennessee/Vandy
31 - KC - Mizzou
36 - San Antonio - TAMU
37 - Greenville - South Carolina
42 - Birmingham - Bama/Auburn
45 - Austin - TAMU
48 - Louisville - Kentucky
49 - Memphis - Tennessee/Vandy
50 - Jacksonville - Florida/Georgia

I suspect that New Orleans has lost so much population it has fallen below the top 50 markets, but the diaspora sent tens of thousands to Houston. I think the SEC has a strong market and what they lack in total population per the ACC or B10, they make up for with the overall popularity of College Football versus other sports.

Dallas is a 3 1/2 hour drive from Texas A&M College Station. Houston is only 1 hour & 20 minutes from College Station. Houston is an Aggie town not Dallas.

Irrelevant. Whenever TAMU is on television, they are on TV in Dallas. It's four hours from Chapel Hill to Asheville, guess whose on TV - UNC. By your logic, folks in Columbus Ohio would only watch Ohio State play football, but we know that's not the case, they watch others. Like I said, it's not possible for one team to lock down and lock others out of a media market because there are so many hours to fill.

(05-09-2016 07:03 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 06:09 PM)texasorange Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 05:42 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 03:28 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  One day y'all are going to realize that market size isn't important. If it were then the SEC would be behind the ACC because the ACC has eight Top 50 media markets and the SEC has two.

Kap, I count the SEC as having 17 of the top 50 http://www.janson.com/rights/top-50-u-s-markets/

Per the website and the SEC schools favored in that market:

5 - Dallas - TAMU
9- Atlanta - Georgia/Bama/Auburn/TN
10 - Houston - TAMU/LSU
14 - Tampa - Florida
16 - Miami - Florida
19 - Orlando - Florida
21 - St. Louis - Mizzou
25 - Charlotte - South Carolina
29 - Nashville - Tennessee/Vandy
31 - KC - Mizzou
36 - San Antonio - TAMU
37 - Greenville - South Carolina
42 - Birmingham - Bama/Auburn
45 - Austin - TAMU
48 - Louisville - Kentucky
49 - Memphis - Tennessee/Vandy
50 - Jacksonville - Florida/Georgia

I suspect that New Orleans has lost so much population it has fallen below the top 50 markets, but the diaspora sent tens of thousands to Houston. I think the SEC has a strong market and what they lack in total population per the ACC or B10, they make up for with the overall popularity of College Football versus other sports.

Dallas is a 3 1/2 hour drive from Texas A&M College Station. Houston is only 1 hour & 20 minutes from College Station. Houston is an Aggie town not Dallas.

Irrelevant. Whenever TAMU is on television, they are on TV in Dallas. It's four hours from Chapel Hill to Asheville, guess whose on TV - UNC. By your logic, folks in Columbus Ohio would only watch Ohio State play football, but we know that's not the case, they watch others. Like I said, it's not possible for one team to lock down and lock others out of a media market because there are so many hours to fill.

Oh you can find them somewhere on cable but this isn't an Aggie town. Hell it isn't a Longhorn town. Dallas is a pro sports town & a front runner town. By the sheer size of A&M they will have alum everywhere. But when it comes to coverage in the local media; its 90% Pro Sports coverage. The Cowboys being the top dog. Coverage of college sports is minimal.

(05-09-2016 07:08 PM)texasorange Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 07:03 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 06:09 PM)texasorange Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 05:42 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 03:28 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  One day y'all are going to realize that market size isn't important. If it were then the SEC would be behind the ACC because the ACC has eight Top 50 media markets and the SEC has two.

Kap, I count the SEC as having 17 of the top 50 http://www.janson.com/rights/top-50-u-s-markets/

Per the website and the SEC schools favored in that market:

5 - Dallas - TAMU
9- Atlanta - Georgia/Bama/Auburn/TN
10 - Houston - TAMU/LSU
14 - Tampa - Florida
16 - Miami - Florida
19 - Orlando - Florida
21 - St. Louis - Mizzou
25 - Charlotte - South Carolina
29 - Nashville - Tennessee/Vandy
31 - KC - Mizzou
36 - San Antonio - TAMU
37 - Greenville - South Carolina
42 - Birmingham - Bama/Auburn
45 - Austin - TAMU
48 - Louisville - Kentucky
49 - Memphis - Tennessee/Vandy
50 - Jacksonville - Florida/Georgia

I suspect that New Orleans has lost so much population it has fallen below the top 50 markets, but the diaspora sent tens of thousands to Houston. I think the SEC has a strong market and what they lack in total population per the ACC or B10, they make up for with the overall popularity of College Football versus other sports.

Dallas is a 3 1/2 hour drive from Texas A&M College Station. Houston is only 1 hour & 20 minutes from College Station. Houston is an Aggie town not Dallas.

Irrelevant. Whenever TAMU is on television, they are on TV in Dallas. It's four hours from Chapel Hill to Asheville, guess whose on TV - UNC. By your logic, folks in Columbus Ohio would only watch Ohio State play football, but we know that's not the case, they watch others. Like I said, it's not possible for one team to lock down and lock others out of a media market because there are so many hours to fill.

Oh you can find them somewhere on cable but this isn't an Aggie town. Hell it isn't a Longhorn town. Dallas is a pro sports town & a front runner town. By the sheer size of A&M they will have alum everywhere. But when it comes to coverage in the local media; its 90% Pro Sports coverage. The Cowboys being the top dog. Coverage of college sports is minimal.

You miss the entire point. TV stations have these things to sell, that are called ADs. The Advertisements pay the salaries and the electric bill for the station. People buy advertising to so that they can market their products to the people watching television. On Saturday in the fall, there are many hours of television and many ads to sell and the Texas media outlets are not showing reruns of Dallas Cowboy football games or ancient interviews with Troy Aiken or Roger Staubauch, they are showing live football - college football.

If there were not demand for college football, ESPN would not exist. If there were no demand for college football on ABC, NBC and CBS, they would show reruns of Hee Haw or Battle of the Network Stars instead of live football.

What is so incomprehensible about the fact that one sports team CAN NOT MONOPOLIZE 40 - 60 hours of programing a week?

(05-09-2016 05:42 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 03:28 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  One day y'all are going to realize that market size isn't important. If it were then the SEC would be behind the ACC because the ACC has eight Top 50 media markets and the SEC has two.

Kap, I count the SEC as having 17 of the top 50

As usual you are wrong.

(05-09-2016 07:23 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 07:08 PM)texasorange Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 07:03 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 06:09 PM)texasorange Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 05:42 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Kap, I count the SEC as having 17 of the top 50 http://www.janson.com/rights/top-50-u-s-markets/

Per the website and the SEC schools favored in that market:

5 - Dallas - TAMU
9- Atlanta - Georgia/Bama/Auburn/TN
10 - Houston - TAMU/LSU
14 - Tampa - Florida
16 - Miami - Florida
19 - Orlando - Florida
21 - St. Louis - Mizzou
25 - Charlotte - South Carolina
29 - Nashville - Tennessee/Vandy
31 - KC - Mizzou
36 - San Antonio - TAMU
37 - Greenville - South Carolina
42 - Birmingham - Bama/Auburn
45 - Austin - TAMU
48 - Louisville - Kentucky
49 - Memphis - Tennessee/Vandy
50 - Jacksonville - Florida/Georgia

I suspect that New Orleans has lost so much population it has fallen below the top 50 markets, but the diaspora sent tens of thousands to Houston. I think the SEC has a strong market and what they lack in total population per the ACC or B10, they make up for with the overall popularity of College Football versus other sports.

Dallas is a 3 1/2 hour drive from Texas A&M College Station. Houston is only 1 hour & 20 minutes from College Station. Houston is an Aggie town not Dallas.

Irrelevant. Whenever TAMU is on television, they are on TV in Dallas. It's four hours from Chapel Hill to Asheville, guess whose on TV - UNC. By your logic, folks in Columbus Ohio would only watch Ohio State play football, but we know that's not the case, they watch others. Like I said, it's not possible for one team to lock down and lock others out of a media market because there are so many hours to fill.

Oh you can find them somewhere on cable but this isn't an Aggie town. Hell it isn't a Longhorn town. Dallas is a pro sports town & a front runner town. By the sheer size of A&M they will have alum everywhere. But when it comes to coverage in the local media; its 90% Pro Sports coverage. The Cowboys being the top dog. Coverage of college sports is minimal.

You miss the entire point. TV stations have these things to sell, that are called ADs. The Advertisements pay the salaries and the electric bill for the station. People buy advertising to so that they can market their products to the people watching television. On Saturday in the fall, there are many hours of television and many ads to sell and the Texas media outlets are not showing reruns of Dallas Cowboy football games or ancient interviews with Troy Aiken or Roger Staubauch, they are showing live football - college football.

If there were not demand for college football, ESPN would not exist. If there were no demand for college football on ABC, NBC and CBS, they would show reruns of Hee Haw or Battle of the Network Stars instead of live football.

What is so incomprehensible about the fact that one sports team CAN NOT MONOPOLIZE 40 - 60 hours of programing a week?

I get what your saying. No need to be so defensive or combative (although some people think the anonymity of the Internet gives them the right). I am merely pointing out that the DFW Metroplex isn't wed to a college or to college sports. If you look at the television ratings the Cowboys, Rangers, Mavericks & Stars dominate. There are so many transplants in the Metroplex it just skews interest towards the pro teams.

Houston is a fine university & I have enjoyed our time together as conference mates but I don't see them in the ACC without Texas. I don't see the ACC expanding west without Texas and/or Oklahoma. The only caveat being ESPN requesting the Texas market for an ACCN. Their market size gives them potential but pro sports & A&M will make it tough for them to tap into it enough to warrant a solo P5 invite.

Looking forward to our game in Houston in the fall. I hope you win all of your other games.

(05-09-2016 11:20 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Houston is a fine university & I have enjoyed our time together as conference mates but I don't see them in the ACC without Texas. I don't see the ACC expanding west without Texas and/or Oklahoma. The only caveat being ESPN requesting the Texas market for an ACCN. Their market size gives them potential but pro sports & A&M will make it tough for them to tap into it enough to warrant a solo P5 invite.

Looking forward to our game in Houston in the fall. I hope you win all of your other games.

I think Texas, Oklahoma, and Notre Dame would have to be completely off the table....

IF that were to be the case, I think Houston would be a great addition

Just based on geography alone. But there's more to take issue with than just geography.

(05-10-2016 10:59 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

Just based on geography alone. But there's more to take issue with than just geography.

you do know Houston is closer to Atlanta than Boston, right?