http://www.draftexpress.com/rankings/Top-100-Prospects/

Dedric #79

at #79 nothing is guaranteed for him. He'd be better off staying. but with that said, some money is better than none in some peoples' mind. they don't always look past the immediate future, where a degree would probably end up making him more money than jumping around over seas and the d-league, especially if you ever had a bad injury.

(05-07-2016 10:35 AM)TigerFan38134 Wrote:  at #79 nothing is guaranteed for him. He'd be better off staying. but with that said, some money is better than none in some peoples' mind. they don't always look past the immediate future, where a degree would probably end up making him more money than jumping around over seas and the d-league, especially if you ever had a bad injury.

He could get his degree later

#79 almost never gets drafted.

Remember, NBA has probably averaged 15-20 Euro draft and stash guys the last few years. The good teams almost never have 2 roster spots for rookies, so they park a guy with upside in Europe or somewhere and let them develop. Often, the don't, see Timma, Janis. Really not fair to American guys, cause NBA doesn't have to use a roster spot to Euro draft-and-stash guys.

So assume only 45 college players get drafted. 79 is a long way to 45.

(05-07-2016 11:08 AM)Tigx Wrote:  #79 almost never gets drafted.

Remember, NBA has probably averaged 15-20 Euro draft and stash guys the last few years. The good teams almost never have 2 roster spots for rookies, so they park a guy with upside in Europe or somewhere and let them develop. Often, the don't, see Timma, Janis. Really not fair to American guys, cause NBA doesn't have to use a roster spot to Euro draft-and-stash guys.

So assume only 45 college players get drafted. 79 is a long way to 45.

The list includes the international guys already. So he's 79 out of 60 - not 45. Still a long shot but not as much as you think.

(05-07-2016 11:28 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 11:08 AM)Tigx Wrote:  #79 almost never gets drafted.

Remember, NBA has probably averaged 15-20 Euro draft and stash guys the last few years. The good teams almost never have 2 roster spots for rookies, so they park a guy with upside in Europe or somewhere and let them develop. Often, the don't, see Timma, Janis. Really not fair to American guys, cause NBA doesn't have to use a roster spot to Euro draft-and-stash guys.

So assume only 45 college players get drafted. 79 is a long way to 45.

The list includes the international guys already. So he's 79 out of 60 - not 45. Still a long shot but not as much as you think.

OK. Bigger point remains that American college development guys like Dedric are at a disadvantage. Because Euro/South American . . . draft and stash guys don't count against the 15 man NBA roster - college guys do.

Andrew Harrison this year did not, but Grizz had to risk dropping him from roster and hoping no other NBA picked him up. No one did, so Grizz sent Harrison to Iowa.

Some NBA teams have even used late 1st round picks on Euro draft and stash guys.

(05-07-2016 10:19 AM)k2tigers Wrote:  http://www.draftexpress.com/rankings/Top-100-Prospects/

Dedric #79

Don't think Dedric will go unless he just doesn't want to play for Tubby but these guys are clueless. Dedric may be early 2cd round based purely on potential and last month of play this season. He obviously worked hard to get better.

I agree Penny. I think he's back, and tries to get into the 1st Round next year.

He seems to follow his Dad's advice about 100% of the time, so if he does decide to go, it may be more about Keelon than Dedric. I don't think too many people would advise an almost certain second-rounder to go early unless they just didn't have any upside (which is not Dedric's case), so I expect him back. If he goes, it'll be interesting to see how long Keelon remains on the gravy train.

I have a hard time believing that he's valued that low.

And to think of all the weeping and gnashing of teeth around here over Alex poythress...

(05-07-2016 03:36 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  I have a hard time believing that he's valued that low.

Why? Because he was the best player on the 100th best team in the country?

There are several great teams with 2-3 better prospects than dedric and some worse teams with better prospects. It's not 2008 and we're not a top 4 team. Our best player isn't automatically an elite player.

(05-07-2016 08:52 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 03:36 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  I have a hard time believing that he's valued that low.

Why? Because he was the best player on the 100th best team in the country?

There are several great teams with 2-3 better prospects than dedric and some worse teams with better prospects. It's not 2008 and we're not a top 4 team. Our best player isn't automatically an elite player.

What does how good the team is have to do with a player's NBA draft position? Nothing.

(05-07-2016 10:21 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 08:52 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 03:36 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  I have a hard time believing that he's valued that low.

Why? Because he was the best player on the 100th best team in the country?

There are several great teams with 2-3 better prospects than dedric and some worse teams with better prospects. It's not 2008 and we're not a top 4 team. Our best player isn't automatically an elite player.

What does how good the team is have to do with a player's NBA draft position? Nothing.

No, it doesn't. But you need to open your eyes to how many good players there are and high ranked players there are at schools like Kentucky, UNC, Kansas, Indiana, Michigan State, etc. etc.

There's a whole world of talent. Just because dedric averaged 15 and 9 while getting to play 32 minutes/game and have the unlimited green light doesn't mean he's a first round pick. Look at the mock drafts. It's all good players in there.

(05-07-2016 11:18 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 10:21 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 08:52 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 03:36 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  I have a hard time believing that he's valued that low.

Why? Because he was the best player on the 100th best team in the country?

There are several great teams with 2-3 better prospects than dedric and some worse teams with better prospects. It's not 2008 and we're not a top 4 team. Our best player isn't automatically an elite player.

What does how good the team is have to do with a player's NBA draft position? Nothing.

No, it doesn't. But you need to open your eyes to how many good players there are and high ranked players there are at schools like Kentucky, UNC, Kansas, Indiana, Michigan State, etc. etc.

There's a whole world of talent. Just because dedric averaged 15 and 9 while getting to play 32 minutes/game and have the unlimited green light doesn't mean he's a first round pick. Look at the mock drafts. It's all good players in there.

Those are all blue blood schools who will get the best players virtually every year. So naturally they will have more NBA players. Duh.

Saw the best young backcourt in the league tonight put an ass whupping on GSW. Liliard and McCollum. Google where they went to school and how good their college teams were. Both first round picks.

Memphis has a pretty decent track record for getting players drafted high. I DID NOT say Dedric would be a first round pick. Actually posted that I thought he would come back to school.

One thing I will say is he would be picked somewhere in top 64 players. Probably in 30-40 range with good workouts and combine. READ MY POST.

How many 18 year olds went for 16 points, 9 rebounds a game with an improving three point shot? You'd think someone might see a kernel of upside.

Why would a player (who should have been in HS) want to go pro after a single college season and end up in the second round? There is no guaranteed contract there and unless you play your way into a roster spot. If not you could easily fall off the radar. What baffles me is every year we continue to see players make this mistake and for many of them their status becomes virtually unknown. “Hey, what ever happened to what’s-his-name?”

Unless a player is getting good feelers from teams which will up his draft status or does not think another year of college will help him, then why roll the dice? This is a life changing decision and will remain with you for a lifetime.

(05-08-2016 06:42 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote:  Why would a player (who should have been in HS) want to go pro after a single college season and end up in the second round? There is no guaranteed contract there and unless you play your way into a roster spot. If not you could easily fall off the radar. What baffles me is every year we continue to see players make this mistake and for many of them their status becomes virtually unknown. “Hey, what ever happened to what’s-his-name?”

Unless a player is getting good feelers from teams which will up his draft status or does not think another year of college will help him, then why roll the dice? This is a life changing decision and will remain with you for a lifetime.

Agree completely. I think these men are too present-oriented to think long term (or the dollar signs cloud their vision) and too peer-oriented not to listen to the people who are in their ear, and who may or may not have the player's best interests in mind.

(05-08-2016 12:16 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 11:18 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 10:21 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 08:52 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 03:36 PM)bubbapt Wrote:  I have a hard time believing that he's valued that low.

Why? Because he was the best player on the 100th best team in the country?

There are several great teams with 2-3 better prospects than dedric and some worse teams with better prospects. It's not 2008 and we're not a top 4 team. Our best player isn't automatically an elite player.

What does how good the team is have to do with a player's NBA draft position? Nothing.

No, it doesn't. But you need to open your eyes to how many good players there are and high ranked players there are at schools like Kentucky, UNC, Kansas, Indiana, Michigan State, etc. etc.

There's a whole world of talent. Just because dedric averaged 15 and 9 while getting to play 32 minutes/game and have the unlimited green light doesn't mean he's a first round pick. Look at the mock drafts. It's all good players in there.

Those are all blue blood schools who will get the best players virtually every year. So naturally they will have more NBA players. Duh.

Saw the best young backcourt in the league tonight put an ass whupping on GSW. Liliard and McCollum. Google where they went to school and how good their college teams were. Both first round picks.

Memphis has a pretty decent track record for getting players drafted high. I DID NOT say Dedric would be a first round pick. Actually posted that I thought he would come back to school.

One thing I will say is he would be picked somewhere in top 64 players. Probably in 30-40 range with good workouts and combine. READ MY POST.

I guess "decent track record for getting players drafted high" is subjective.

(05-08-2016 06:10 AM)bubbapt Wrote:  How many 18 year olds went for 16 points, 9 rebounds a game with an improving three point shot? You'd think someone might see a kernel of upside.

Nobody is saying he doesn't have upside. It's just all the other guys have upside too. I don't see why 75 seems like such an inaccurate rating. Sure he has some range and can score. He is also a below average defender which teams are paying a whole lot of attention to and is half of the whole game of basketball. I watched the NCAA tournament and saw a lot of good players. My point is I think a lot of people here overvalue Dedric because they saw him all year long.