For those whom inquired as to why I said that Florida was worth 80 Mil a year to a conference/network and that USF and UCF could be worth 40 mil each, here's the article.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...ams-070115

"Second, adding South Florida or Central Florida seems like a no brainer because there are twenty million people in the state of Florida. But the question is, could you get full cable or satellite distribution in Florida with either of these two teams? That is, do fans care enough to demand that their cable or satellite service carry the Big 12 network if you add USF or UCF? (Remember, this has been the Pac 12's problem with its network. Fans just don't care enough.)




That's a roll of the dice. In an ideal scenario you'd figure out which team is likely to be better going forward and which team has the most rabid fan base and then you'd pick that team to add to the Big 12. (Remember, two teams in the same state doesn't make sense in a conference network era).




But does either school really move the needle by itself?




The state of Florida is worth roughly $80 million a year if you could get a team fully distributed in the Sunshine State.




Which is why the really interesting play would be adding both schools at once. You get a natural rivalry and double the pressure for cable and satellite companies in the state to carry your network. But if you wanted to maximize revenue, you'd roll the dice on one team."

There is much more in this article as it touches on most of the current named schools.

(05-07-2016 06:22 AM)Mestophalies Wrote:  For those whom inquired as to why I said that Florida was worth 80 Mil a year to a conference/network and that USF and UCF could be worth 40 mil each, here's the article.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...ams-070115

"Second, adding South Florida or Central Florida seems like a no brainer because there are twenty million people in the state of Florida. But the question is, could you get full cable or satellite distribution in Florida with either of these two teams? That is, do fans care enough to demand that their cable or satellite service carry the Big 12 network if you add USF or UCF? (Remember, this has been the Pac 12's problem with its network. Fans just don't care enough.)




That's a roll of the dice. In an ideal scenario you'd figure out which team is likely to be better going forward and which team has the most rabid fan base and then you'd pick that team to add to the Big 12. (Remember, two teams in the same state doesn't make sense in a conference network era).




But does either school really move the needle by itself?




The state of Florida is worth roughly $80 million a year if you could get a team fully distributed in the Sunshine State.




Which is why the really interesting play would be adding both schools at once. You get a natural rivalry and double the pressure for cable and satellite companies in the state to carry your network. But if you wanted to maximize revenue, you'd roll the dice on one team."

There is much more in this article as it touches on most of the current named schools.

Good article! +1!

The problem is that the Big12 will not have a network as long as Texas has the LHN.
I do agree that a USF/ UCF addition to the Big12 would be as good an add as any other combination that has been mentioned. All are potentials but won't move the Big12 needle in a short time frame.
If they decide to expand it will be chosen by Texas

That was a great article thanks for sharing

(05-07-2016 08:21 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  The problem is that the Big12 will not have a network as long as Texas has the LHN.
I do agree that a USF/ UCF addition to the Big12 would be as good an add as any other combination that has been mentioned. All are potentials but won't move the Big12 needle in a short time frame.
If they decide to expand it will be chosen by Texas

If they added 4 couldn't they get away with not having UT content on a new network?

(05-07-2016 08:46 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 08:21 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  The problem is that the Big12 will not have a network as long as Texas has the LHN.
I do agree that a USF/ UCF addition to the Big12 would be as good an add as any other combination that has been mentioned. All are potentials but won't move the Big12 needle in a short time frame.
If they decide to expand it will be chosen by Texas

If they added 4 couldn't they get away with not having UT content on a new network?

They might but it would be difficult for that network to get the state of Texas market without UT plus as the writer stated doubt the Big12 is that pro active. The Big12 reminds me a lot of the Big East with Texas playing the Notre Dame part I just don't see that league lasting for a long period when you have a school that demands and gets special treatment. But of course I would love USF there because it's our only option to be in P5, but you know that WV, Baylor,Texas Tech, Iowa State, TCU, Kansas State know full well that Texas is the ONLY reason they are in P5 and that they better not poke Bevo too hard.

Let them go on sleeping on a B12 Florida invasion... But they day AnM joined the SEC it became a whole lot more attractive.

(05-07-2016 08:46 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 08:21 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  The problem is that the Big12 will not have a network as long as Texas has the LHN.
I do agree that a USF/ UCF addition to the Big12 would be as good an add as any other combination that has been mentioned. All are potentials but won't move the Big12 needle in a short time frame.
If they decide to expand it will be chosen by Texas

If they added 4 couldn't they get away with not having UT content on a new network?

I think you could. You would actually have the road conf games from Tex as well.

(05-07-2016 08:52 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  They might but it would be difficult for that network to get the state of Texas market without UT plus as the writer stated doubt the Big12 is that pro active. The Big12 reminds me a lot of the Big East with Texas playing the Notre Dame part I just don't see that league lasting for a long period when you have a school that demands and gets special treatment. But of course I would love USF there because it's our only option to be in P5, but you know that WV, Baylor,Texas Tech, Iowa State, TCU, Kansas State know full well that Texas is the ONLY reason they are in P5 and that they better not poke Bevo too hard.

Quiet as kept it's no lock a big 12 network gets carried throughout Texas. To this day LHN is still unavailable on cable in Houston. The Astros and Rockets partnered up for (imo) the best local sports station this town has ever seen but the majority of Houston was unable to watch and it had to fold.

Nobody in the big 12, including Texas, carries remotely the same appeal in Houston as the Rockets/Astros but according to most internet posters it is a forgone conclusion if a big 12 network gets created it will be carried throughout the footprint with no issue.

To steer this back to the topic of USF/UCF, have there been any carriage issues in your area? I know there's a lot of talk about Uconn bringing NYC and Cincy bringing Ohio but things aren't always as simple in real life. With so many misrepresenting the landscape in Houston I can't help but wonder how much misinformation there is about what all of our schools bring to the table.

Wonder if the B12 is really going to add 4 (incl one or both of USF/UCF)?

This is getting interesting.

neither ucf/usf or both can deliver the whole state, cincy isn't bringing the entire state of ohio

if the big 12 had that mentality (giving an entire state to a team located in it) theyd have taken louisville over wvu

but i love the mentality that people use..so the big 12 just finished a study that said the ideal number for a conference is 12...so foxsports blogger says they should do 14??

and honestly if people really believed cincy could get all of Ohio, ucf/usf could get all of Florida, Memphis could get all of Tennessee, houston/smu could get all of texas etc
then the AAC would have created our own network a long time ago

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/...29,-94.151

It's tough to establish "value" for any of our programs, not just the Florida universities.

This map and related info is from 2014, so it is a bit outdated, however we've got programs in this conference that don't even "own" the most fans in their own city.

I'm not being critical of any fanbase or university because we all have challenges playing in states where power conference dominate fanbases; so none us should be throwing stones. In fact, if it becomes a firestorm, I'll just delete the post.

However, "value" is a tough call; especially when, as a group, it's tough to find many that are the dominate fanbase in their own area.

(05-07-2016 10:06 AM)pesik Wrote:  neither ucf/usf or both can deliver the whole state, cincy isn't bringing the entire state of ohio

if the big 12 had that mentality (giving an entire state to a team located in it) theyd have taken louisville over wvu

but i love the mentality that people use..so the big 12 just finished a study that said the ideal number for a conference is 12...so foxsports blogger says they should do 14??

and honestly if people really believed cincy could get all of Ohio, ucf/usf could get all of Florida, Memphis could get all of Tennessee, houston/smu could get all of texas etc
then the AAC would have created our own network a long time ago

That's why the population game is so important. Cfb is huge in fl. If there are 5 p5 that matter we pick up lots of crossover fans.

(05-07-2016 10:38 AM)oldtiger Wrote:  http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/...29,-94.151

It's tough to establish "value" for any of our programs, not just the Florida universities.

This map and related info is from 2014, so it is a bit outdated, however we've got programs in this conference that don't even "own" the most fans in their own city.

I'm not being critical of any fanbase or university because we all have challenges playing in states where power conference dominate fanbases; so none us should be throwing stones. In fact, if it becomes a firestorm, I'll just delete the post.

However, "value" is a tough call; especially when, as a group, it's tough to find many that are the dominate fanbase in their own area.

It's all about population density. Florida is the perfect example. Fl and fsu have large geographic footprint but low pop density. Fwiw we were rated higher than Miami the last two years and have been on par for the last 10 years.

(05-07-2016 06:22 AM)Mestophalies Wrote:  For those whom inquired as to why I said that Florida was worth 80 Mil a year to a conference/network and that USF and UCF could be worth 40 mil each, here's the article.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...ams-070115

"Second, adding South Florida or Central Florida seems like a no brainer because there are twenty million people in the state of Florida. But the question is, could you get full cable or satellite distribution in Florida with either of these two teams? That is, do fans care enough to demand that their cable or satellite service carry the Big 12 network if you add USF or UCF? (Remember, this has been the Pac 12's problem with its network. Fans just don't care enough.)




That's a roll of the dice. In an ideal scenario you'd figure out which team is likely to be better going forward and which team has the most rabid fan base and then you'd pick that team to add to the Big 12. (Remember, two teams in the same state doesn't make sense in a conference network era).




But does either school really move the needle by itself?




The state of Florida is worth roughly $80 million a year if you could get a team fully distributed in the Sunshine State.




Which is why the really interesting play would be adding both schools at once. You get a natural rivalry and double the pressure for cable and satellite companies in the state to carry your network. But if you wanted to maximize revenue, you'd roll the dice on one team."

There is much more in this article as it touches on most of the current named schools.

Although that article is 10 months old, I think it's perhaps the best one out on possible B12 expansion.

(05-07-2016 10:06 AM)pesik Wrote:  neither ucf/usf or both can deliver the whole state, cincy isn't bringing the entire state of ohio

if the big 12 had that mentality (giving an entire state to a team located in it) theyd have taken louisville over wvu

but i love the mentality that people use..so the big 12 just finished a study that said the ideal number for a conference is 12...so foxsports blogger says they should do 14??

and honestly if people really believed cincy could get all of Ohio, ucf/usf could get all of Florida, Memphis could get all of Tennessee, houston/smu could get all of texas etc
then the AAC would have created our own network a long time ago

The media only mentioned the models run for 10 with a CCG, 12 with 8 conference games, and 12 with 9 conference games. The report was that, of those 3, 12 and 8 gave them the best chance at the CFP.

But other media reports said Navigate Research also ran models for 14 with 8 and 9, and 16 with 8 and 9. The Big 12 apparently didn't release the data for those, but any of those could be in the mix, too.

Remember, this is only one piece of the data puzzle, talking about the CCG, the CFP odds, and the scheduling variations.

The Big 12 has yet to hear from Bevilacqua on the conference network iterations, which will add a whole new dynamic to the puzzle. In those scenarios, you can bet that adding more than 2 schools will get a lot of play, assuming they go ahead with a B12N.

It looks to me that adding 2 teams is almost a certainty now, and adding 4 is something the Big 12 is contemplating, again according to several media reports. I don't think 16 is getting any play, but to dismiss 14 at this point is a mistake, IMO.

(05-07-2016 09:46 AM)Charlie Broadway Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 08:52 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  They might but it would be difficult for that network to get the state of Texas market without UT plus as the writer stated doubt the Big12 is that pro active. The Big12 reminds me a lot of the Big East with Texas playing the Notre Dame part I just don't see that league lasting for a long period when you have a school that demands and gets special treatment. But of course I would love USF there because it's our only option to be in P5, but you know that WV, Baylor,Texas Tech, Iowa State, TCU, Kansas State know full well that Texas is the ONLY reason they are in P5 and that they better not poke Bevo too hard.

Quiet as kept it's no lock a big 12 network gets carried throughout Texas. To this day LHN is still unavailable on cable in Houston. The Astros and Rockets partnered up for (imo) the best local sports station this town has ever seen but the majority of Houston was unable to watch and it had to fold.

Nobody in the big 12, including Texas, carries remotely the same appeal in Houston as the Rockets/Astros but according to most internet posters it is a forgone conclusion if a big 12 network gets created it will be carried throughout the footprint with no issue.

To steer this back to the topic of USF/UCF, have there been any carriage issues in your area? I know there's a lot of talk about Uconn bringing NYC and Cincy bringing Ohio but things aren't always as simple in real life. With so many misrepresenting the landscape in Houston I can't help but wonder how much misinformation there is about what all of our schools bring to the table.

SNY already chargers $2.60+ per month per cable subscriber in Conn. for some tier3 rights. Not all. Just the UConn women. And that channel is on Basic Cable, with 1.3m subscribers.

17% of Floridians are 65 and older.
20% of Floridians are Latin American immigrants.

I don't think these people are clamoring for a big 12 cable network.

(05-07-2016 12:50 PM)Chappy Wrote:  17% of Floridians are 65 and older.
20% of Floridians are Latin American immigrants.

I don't think these people are clamoring for a big 12 cable network.

LOL. That still leaves 63% and that still more population than many other options. Of course we can all identify groups in each state that might also not want the Big12 channel

(05-07-2016 12:50 PM)Chappy Wrote:  17% of Floridians are 65 and older.
20% of Floridians are Latin American immigrants.

I don't think these people are clamoring for a big 12 cable network.

B12 could add UCF and USF and start a successful B12 daily paper.