(05-06-2016 08:19 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  The AAC (the schools not on the list) should hope BYU is one of the picks. Losing two team could result in lower TV revenues since ESPN aka DISNEY can cancel the contract. With Disney in cost cutting mode, I would be shocked if they did not attempt to low ball a new deal or threaten to terminate. It will be interesting to see what ripples occur if the B12 expands.

Actually it is probably better for the AAC if the B12 takes 2 AAC teams. that way the AAC doesn't have to expand again. The AAC could be a really good 10 team league.

(05-06-2016 10:05 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 08:19 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  The AAC (the schools not on the list) should hope BYU is one of the picks. Losing two team could result in lower TV revenues since ESPN aka DISNEY can cancel the contract. With Disney in cost cutting mode, I would be shocked if they did not attempt to low ball a new deal or threaten to terminate. It will be interesting to see what ripples occur if the B12 expands.

They are not going to cancel the contract. Even under the current conditions, they know they got a great below market value deal. They essentially bought us at the foreclosure auction. The AAC delivers 75% of P5 ratings at 10% of the cost. If they cancelled it, its very likely we'd end up making MORE. CBS, NBC, and likely Fox would all be interested now that we have an established track record of performance. ESPN, who is presently about lose all their Big10 content is going to be looking to us to fill many of those broadcast slots.

AC,
Not saying it will but you know Disney is about maximizing profits. To think the may not try would not be smart business. I don't think the other networks will do a bidding war if ESPN says take the lowball or walk. Will fox do another Big East? Does NBC want to pay more? It is like the housing market, sometime it is a seller market and later a buyer market. Right now it appears to be the buyer market. Losing two teams allows ESPN to work on a better deal for them. They could say they will extend the deal for another six years at current price which would be less than ideal.

(05-06-2016 06:37 PM)TripleA Wrote:  DENNIS DODD
Senior Columnist

The eight best program options to join the Big 12 if the league expands

Excerpt: The American – the conference most likely affected – will move on. I had a conversation with American commissioner Mike Aresco here this week. He was almost resigned to losing teams, even suggesting the conference might be stronger with 10.

Read more here:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ue-expands

I'd love to see Rice as a #11 and Marshall wouldn't be bad as a #12.

Navy, Temple, Marshall, ECU, USF, and UConn would make a solid eastern group.

Tulane, Rice, Houston, SMU, Tulsa, Memphis/UC/UCF would make a great western group.

Adding Rice would also give the conference even more academic separation from the rest of the g5.

(05-07-2016 12:09 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 06:37 PM)TripleA Wrote:  DENNIS DODD
Senior Columnist

The eight best program options to join the Big 12 if the league expands

Excerpt: The American – the conference most likely affected – will move on. I had a conversation with American commissioner Mike Aresco here this week. He was almost resigned to losing teams, even suggesting the conference might be stronger with 10.

Read more here:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ue-expands

I'd love to see Rice as a #11 and Marshall wouldn't be bad as a #12.

Navy, Temple, Marshall, ECU, USF, and UConn would make a solid eastern group.

Tulane, Rice, Houston, SMU, Tulsa, Memphis/UC/UCF would make a great western group.

Adding Rice would also give the conference even more academic separation from the rest of the g5.

Nothing makes an AAC fan puke harder or faster than seeing Marshall in their conference alignments

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Add UMASS in the NE and NMST in the SW if you lose 2 schools.

The AAC should start it's own Network. I read that the combination of UCF and USF is worth $80 million a year alone in Florida in another B-12 expansion thread. Throw in Navy Football and UConn men's and women's BB and the rest of the teams for $40 million and that will get 6 times what your getting now from ESPN.

(05-07-2016 12:39 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 12:09 AM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 06:37 PM)TripleA Wrote:  DENNIS DODD
Senior Columnist

The eight best program options to join the Big 12 if the league expands

Excerpt: The American – the conference most likely affected – will move on. I had a conversation with American commissioner Mike Aresco here this week. He was almost resigned to losing teams, even suggesting the conference might be stronger with 10.

Read more here:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...ue-expands

I'd love to see Rice as a #11 and Marshall wouldn't be bad as a #12.

Navy, Temple, Marshall, ECU, USF, and UConn would make a solid eastern group.

Tulane, Rice, Houston, SMU, Tulsa, Memphis/UC/UCF would make a great western group.

Adding Rice would also give the conference even more academic separation from the rest of the g5.

Nothing makes an AAC fan puke harder or faster than seeing Marshall in their conference alignments

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Seeing NIU in AAC conference alignments would be just as horrifying. Nothing against NIU or Marshall; because they are good schools and they have great fans, but in reality if NIU and Marshall are truly options then the AAC needs to add UNC-Charlotte instead. UNC-Charlotte has higher upside and a better recruiting area.

(05-06-2016 10:52 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 10:05 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 08:19 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  The AAC (the schools not on the list) should hope BYU is one of the picks. Losing two team could result in lower TV revenues since ESPN aka DISNEY can cancel the contract. With Disney in cost cutting mode, I would be shocked if they did not attempt to low ball a new deal or threaten to terminate. It will be interesting to see what ripples occur if the B12 expands.

They are not going to cancel the contract. Even under the current conditions, they know they got a great below market value deal. They essentially bought us at the foreclosure auction. The AAC delivers 75% of P5 ratings at 10% of the cost. If they cancelled it, its very likely we'd end up making MORE. CBS, NBC, and likely Fox would all be interested now that we have an established track record of performance. ESPN, who is presently about lose all their Big10 content is going to be looking to us to fill many of those broadcast slots.

AC,
Not saying it will but you know Disney is about maximizing profits. To think the may not try would not be smart business. I don't think the other networks will do a bidding war if ESPN says take the lowball or walk. Will fox do another Big East? Does NBC want to pay more? It is like the housing market, sometime it is a seller market and later a buyer market. Right now it appears to be the buyer market. Losing two teams allows ESPN to work on a better deal for them. They could say they will extend the deal for another six years at current price which would be less than ideal.

We already know we can sell content to CBS-Sports. We already know NBC-Sports has some interest. ESPN has a really cheap deal---and now they actually need the content with the Big-10 leaving. It makes zero sense for ESPN to risk losing the AAC. Sure they might save a few million a year, but if someone else bids, they could end up paying even more. They have the league for cheap for 5 more years. It doesn't make a lot of sense to risk content you now need and already have on the cheap.

Aresco, is in a tough spot. TV $$ is in the east, but no good choices to pick there. It is a better safer place with 12, But can you get 2 or 4 from Byu/MWC.

Going to be an interesting year. If AAC goes to 10, and TV stays flat for 3 years, existing schools get a 400k raise, further separating themselves from G4. If they can then get a raise of some size, ( I think likely) and be in the 3 to 5 mil per school, the AAC is solidly the tweener. It may still be called part of G5, but every fb fan in the country will know the difference.

(05-06-2016 07:26 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 07:07 PM)TopCoog2016 Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 06:55 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 06:50 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 06:43 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  Will they split the conference into two 5 team divisions?

9 game round robin top 2 teams in CCG

Those are the 2 alternatives. OR, add 2 teams and get back to 12, assuming we lose two, which that phrasing sounds like ("teams" and "maybe stronger at 10.").

this is just nuts. we have 12 good schools in our league and that will continue.

Not going to debate you, but regardless of which teams leave, I don't see you can possibly ignore the signs saying B12 expansion, with an AAC team or teams, is likely.

I can ignore the possibility bucause there is no evidence that it is happening except on message boards and from writers looking for a story. I think it is a level of mental illness that we go hysterical over nothing.
So of this nonsense is driven by fans of schools who think they would gain. The 8 votes are not there.

(05-07-2016 10:43 AM)TopCoog2016 Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 07:26 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 07:07 PM)TopCoog2016 Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 06:55 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 06:50 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  9 game round robin top 2 teams in CCG

Those are the 2 alternatives. OR, add 2 teams and get back to 12, assuming we lose two, which that phrasing sounds like ("teams" and "maybe stronger at 10.").

this is just nuts. we have 12 good schools in our league and that will continue.

Not going to debate you, but regardless of which teams leave, I don't see you can possibly ignore the signs saying B12 expansion, with an AAC team or teams, is likely.

I can ignore the possibility bucause there is no evidence that it is happening except on message boards and from writers looking for a story. I think it is a level of mental illness that we go hysterical over nothing.
So of this nonsense is driven by fans of schools who think they would gain. The 8 votes are not there.

So what makes you confident that is the correct position? You state it as a fact, rather than as an opinion.

Plus, there have been hundreds of articles in the media, not written or driven by fans, saying the Big 12 could very well expand by this summer.

(05-06-2016 10:03 PM)GreenWave16 Wrote:  The CBS list is garbage, ESPNs list had Tulane on it which I think is much more realistic. All these schools thumping their chests about wins and championships which mean absolutely nothing. It's about academics and markets which makes Tulane the top choice.

(05-06-2016 10:03 PM)GreenWave16 Wrote:  The CBS list is garbage, ESPNs list had Tulane on it which I think is much more realistic. All these schools thumping their chests about wins and championships which mean absolutely nothing. It's about academics and markets which makes Tulane the top choice.

Good ol GreenWave16, I believe you are making fun of Tulane with that statement..lol. "All these schools thumping their chest about wins and championships which mean nothing. It's about academics and markets" lol.

Well, then son..why suit ? Why play the game ?

Oh...better yet, we should just line our students up from each school at the 50 yard line and have a debate on who made the highest grade on the most recent bio/chemistry test...oh, and each student from their respected school can bring a Wikipedia printout of the market their respected school represents, which states the population, tourist attractions, restaurants, and etc. That will show them what football and athletics is all about, eh GreenWave16 ? That would surely pack the house with attendance. Like you said, fans get together on Game Day to either watch a game in attendance or to watch it on TV with the mindset of wondering if the kid wearing #12 is on the deans list and where he might be from .

Give me a break..idiot !

(05-06-2016 10:43 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 10:03 PM)GreenWave16 Wrote:  The CBS list is garbage, ESPNs list had Tulane on it which I think is much more realistic. All these schools thumping their chests about wins and championships which mean absolutely nothing. It's about academics and markets which makes Tulane the top choice.

I won't deny Tulane has merit which they could absolutely bring to a Power conference. Plus they've been there before, helps their case a lot

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What merit ???

(05-07-2016 11:48 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 10:43 AM)TopCoog2016 Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 07:26 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 07:07 PM)TopCoog2016 Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 06:55 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Those are the 2 alternatives. OR, add 2 teams and get back to 12, assuming we lose two, which that phrasing sounds like ("teams" and "maybe stronger at 10.").

this is just nuts. we have 12 good schools in our league and that will continue.

Not going to debate you, but regardless of which teams leave, I don't see you can possibly ignore the signs saying B12 expansion, with an AAC team or teams, is likely.

I can ignore the possibility bucause there is no evidence that it is happening except on message boards and from writers looking for a story. I think it is a level of mental illness that we go hysterical over nothing.
So of this nonsense is driven by fans of schools who think they would gain. The 8 votes are not there.

So what makes you confident that is the correct position? You state it as a fact, rather than as an opinion.

Plus, there have been hundreds of articles in the media, not written or driven by fans, saying the Big 12 could very well expand by this summer.

Count me in the camp that thinks B12 expansion is unlikely.

Yes, there are articles saying it's possible, but none of them say anything about Texas approving of expansion. In fact, very few of them mention anything other than the one ADs desire.

I just don't see the votes for expansion, and even if they can come up with them, I feel like Texas would then leave creating more chaos.

(05-07-2016 12:37 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 11:48 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 10:43 AM)TopCoog2016 Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 07:26 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 07:07 PM)TopCoog2016 Wrote:  this is just nuts. we have 12 good schools in our league and that will continue.

Not going to debate you, but regardless of which teams leave, I don't see you can possibly ignore the signs saying B12 expansion, with an AAC team or teams, is likely.

I can ignore the possibility bucause there is no evidence that it is happening except on message boards and from writers looking for a story. I think it is a level of mental illness that we go hysterical over nothing.
So of this nonsense is driven by fans of schools who think they would gain. The 8 votes are not there.

So what makes you confident that is the correct position? You state it as a fact, rather than as an opinion.

Plus, there have been hundreds of articles in the media, not written or driven by fans, saying the Big 12 could very well expand by this summer.

Count me in the camp that thinks B12 expansion is unlikely.

Yes, there are articles saying it's possible, but none of them say anything about Texas approving of expansion. In fact, very few of them mention anything other than the one ADs desire.

I just don't see the votes for expansion, and even if they can come up with them, I feel like Texas would then leave creating more chaos.

I'm thinking in a few weeks, you might change your mind.

(05-06-2016 06:54 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 06:43 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  Will they split the conference into two 5 team divisions?

Good question. Under the new rules, it would be legal, and still be able to play a CCG.

But a round robin ensures a replay for the championship. The same problem the Big 12 wrestled with, before apparently going back to 12, or more.

Not sure why a replay is a big deal. IIRC the PAC has had a replay the last two years. And in basketball, the conference tournament games are all replays.

(05-07-2016 03:52 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 06:54 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 06:43 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  Will they split the conference into two 5 team divisions?

Good question. Under the new rules, it would be legal, and still be able to play a CCG.

But a round robin ensures a replay for the championship. The same problem the Big 12 wrestled with, before apparently going back to 12, or more.

Not sure why a replay is a big deal. IIRC the PAC has had a replay the last two years. And in basketball, the conference tournament games are all replays.

I thought the rule change said that a championship game could be held with 10 teams, but that it must be a round robin conference schedule. In order to go divisions, you still have to expand to 12.

(05-07-2016 03:58 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 03:52 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 06:54 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 06:43 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  Will they split the conference into two 5 team divisions?

Good question. Under the new rules, it would be legal, and still be able to play a CCG.

But a round robin ensures a replay for the championship. The same problem the Big 12 wrestled with, before apparently going back to 12, or more.

Not sure why a replay is a big deal. IIRC the PAC has had a replay the last two years. And in basketball, the conference tournament games are all replays.

I thought the rule change said that a championship game could be held with 10 teams, but that it must be a round robin conference schedule. In order to go divisions, you still have to expand to 12.

You can do it either way. Split in divisions or hold a round robin.

(05-06-2016 07:51 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 07:36 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 07:10 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 07:07 PM)TopCoog2016 Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 06:55 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Those are the 2 alternatives. OR, add 2 teams and get back to 12, assuming we lose two, which that phrasing sounds like ("teams" and "maybe stronger at 10.").

this is just nuts. we have 12 good schools in our league and that will continue.

But, but that doesn't help MY school =/

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Dude I sure admire your loyalty. I didn't know much about NIU so I googled.. 23K stadium is a bit small by our standards, but I admit that's about where Tulane is so it's certainly possible. Any plans to expand the stadium a bit? How do you guys draw for football?

I remember the BCS bowl year so NIU has certainly tasted a bit of success in recent memory...

We have a comprehensive plan to expand the stadium as well as enhance the premium areas and make the stadium a horseshoe. It's listed as a 138 million dollar renovation that woukd be privately funded. Would increase our stadium size to 30k immediately with the potential for an expansion to 35k easily and 42k as a max capacity. Renovation will be done in phases, hence the numbers disparity. Here's an article with a general oversight of the project since the PDF is a bit in depth for a light read

http://m.northernstar.info/sports/niu-s-...l?mode=jqm

Our attendance is... atrocious as of late. We used to have sell out crowds and have close to maximum capacity often not too long ago, so I'm not sure what happened. Many speculate our fans are just sick of having to play EMU, Ball st, Akron, etc over and over. Those aren't names that excite anyone after an orange bowl appearance and the fans want more. We show up in force to our big name games, even when we played NW in Chicago, we had at least a 40/60 split of fans in their house so we KNOW the fanbase is their (just likely dormant in Chicago) and as such our AD has begun scheduling games in Chicago locations. We play Toledo at US Cellular field (home of the Chicago White Sox) in November this year to try and tap into our Chicago fanbase like the NW and Soldier field games with Iowa did.



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Very impressed with your university. You guys would be a fantastic addition. Hope it works out, but by adding, not by replacing.