Let's ignore the TV potential because it's been made evident that the networks see hardly any value in G5 schools in large markets.

SBC

1. FAU
2. FAU
3. South Alabama
4. Troy
5. UAB
6. Georgia Southern

7. Georgia State
8. Coastal Carolina
9. App State
10. ODU
11. UNCC
12. Marshall

CUSA

1. La Tech
2. ULM
3. ULL
4. Middle Tenn
5. WKU
6. Arkansas State

7. USM
8. Rice
9.UTEP
10. Texas State
11. UTSA
12. UNT

The only issue there is ULM. Take out ULM and replace with NMSU, I think is something that can be a workable solution. (USM moves to the other division.)

(05-06-2016 12:19 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  The only issue there is ULM. Take out ULM and replace with NMSU, I think is something that can be a workable solution. (USM moves to the other division.)

Yeah I didn't really organize the divisions. I assume it would be done in a manner that would give all the members access to the big time recruiting states. Like you would separate the Georgia and Florida teams to guarantee everyone they get access to both states.

Only problem with taking ULM out is I don't see how you could kick people out.

(05-06-2016 12:21 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  On the CUSA this could be very appealing for someone like Rice. They would get to play most of their games in the state of Texas. And someone on the SBC like South Alabama they would get to play most of their games in the surrounding states (Alabama, Georgia, Florida).

Rice already plays up to nine games a year in Texas. Adding Southwest Texas State Teachers College to the list really holds no appeal.

Let the western teams have Troy and USA, and the Eastern ones can have WKU and MTSU. Works a lot better.

(05-06-2016 12:16 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  Let's ignore the TV potential because it's been made evident that the networks see hardly any value in G5 schools in large markets.

SBC

1. FAU
2. FAU
3. South Alabama
4. Troy
5. UAB
6. Georgia Southern

7. Georgia State
8. Coastal Carolina
9. App State
10. ODU
11. UNCC
12. Marshall

CUSA

1. La Tech
2. ULM
3. ULL
4. Middle Tenn
5. WKU
6. Arkansas State

7. USM
8. Rice
9.UTEP
10. Texas State
11. UTSA
12. UNT

Makes a lot of sense. To cut costs you could stop at 72+/- scholarships and not pay the players. The MAC might like this also.

It might be a 3rd tier. #1 is the P5 schools, then the AAC & Mountain West. 3rd tier is CUSA, SunBelt and MAC.

I'll just note that in each of the 11,547 threads on this board about this idea, every alignment proposed by a fan of a Sun Belt or CUSA team puts their own favorite team into the conference that UL-Monroe is not in.

Why not make a reshuffle to create 3 conferences out of the two?

Make one for the northeast.

Make one for the southeast.

And one for the west Gulf States.

Northeast:
1.Appalachian State
2.ODU
3.Charlotte
4.Marshall
5.U. Mass.
6.Army
7.Stony Brook
8.Buffalo
9.Youngstown State
10.James Madison
11.Delaware
12.Western Kentucky or Eastern Kentucky or Towson

Southeast:
1.FAU
2.FIU
3.South Alabama
4.Troy
5.UAB
6.Georgia Southern
7.Georgia State
8.Middle Tennessee State
9.Coastal Carolina if they get the okay to move up which I am seeing they are not going to by political issues.
10.Southern Mississippi (they want to stay with UAB)
11.Western Kentucky
12.West Florida (2020 or 2021 to expand their stadium to 20,000)
Or Jacksonville State or Chattanooga or another school in the area.

Western Gulf States:
1.La. Tech
2.ULM
3.ULL
4.Arkansas State
5.Rice
6.UTEP unless they go over to MWC.
7.Texas State
8.UTSA
9.North Texas
10.Missouri State
11.Lamar
12.Central Arkansas/McNeesee State/Central Oklahoma (2025)

This way with the tv contracts are the way they are, it would be best if they go into a geographical friendly conference to save money instead of being spread out. Plus, some of these schools would might be wound up into the AAC soon.

(05-06-2016 12:16 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  Let's ignore the TV potential because it's been made evident that the networks see hardly any value in G5 schools in large markets.

SBC

1. FAU
2. FAU
3. South Alabama
4. Troy
5. UAB
6. Georgia Southern

7. Georgia State
8. Coastal Carolina
9. App State
10. ODU
11. UNCC
12. Marshall

CUSA

1. La Tech
2. ULM
3. ULL
4. Middle Tenn
5. WKU
6. Arkansas State

7. USM
8. Rice
9.UTEP
10. Texas State
11. UTSA
12. UNT

Feel bad for USM as they really don't have a good travel partner in the West. But no real solution that could switch with to put in East for CUSA.

(05-06-2016 03:24 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Why not make a reshuffle to create 3 conferences out of the two?

Make one for the northeast.

Make one for the southeast.

And one for the west Gulf States.

Northeast:
1.Appalachian State
2.ODU
3.Charlotte
4.Marshall
5.U. Mass.
6.Army
7.Stony Brook
8.Buffalo
9.Youngstown State
10.James Madison
11.Delaware
12.Western Kentucky or Eastern Kentucky or Towson

Southeast:
1.FAU
2.FIU
3.South Alabama
4.Troy
5.UAB
6.Georgia Southern
7.Georgia State
8.Middle Tennessee State
9.Coastal Carolina if they get the okay to move up which I am seeing they are not going to by political issues.
10.Southern Mississippi (they want to stay with UAB)
11.Western Kentucky
12.West Florida (2020 or 2021 to expand their stadium to 20,000)
Or Jacksonville State or Chattanooga or another school in the area.

Western Gulf States:
1.La. Tech
2.ULM
3.ULL
4.Arkansas State
5.Rice
6.UTEP unless they go over to MWC.
7.Texas State
8.UTSA
9.North Texas
10.Missouri State
11.Lamar
12.Central Arkansas/McNeesee State/Central Oklahoma (2025)

This way with the tv contracts are the way they are, it would be best if they go into a geographical friendly conference to save money instead of being spread out. Plus, some of these schools would might be wound up into the AAC soon.

You're drunk...... Go home.

Conference 1
West - UTEP, UTSA, TXST, Rice, UNT, Louisiana Tech
East - Louisiana, USM, UAB, MTSU, WKU, Arkansas State

Conference 2
North - Georgia State, App State, Charlotte, ODU, Marshall, Coastal Carolina
South - ULM, South Alabama, Troy, FAU, FIU, Georgia Southern

I think this gets rid of all of the pairings that would make a reorganization DOA like Louisiana Tech-ULM, USM-USA, and all 3 Alabama schools in the same conference.


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No two leagues ever decide to "reshuffle," OP.

Try speculating on things that might actually happen.

Let's say CUSA and the SBC decide to reshuffle.

Next step is to ask the Presidents of the Universities that are to be reshuffled about their view.

Their answer will be, "we voted you in as Conference Commissioner, if you pursue this, we can vote someone else in."

CUSA and SBC are not corporations that can do a reshuffle of ownership of operating divisions ... they are membership clubs, and can only do something like this if something very close to all parties want to do it.

Try as hard as you like, no matter what shuffle you propose, it will tick off enough schools in either one or both conference to shoot the whole thing down.

Indeed, in each conference, it would only really get enthusiastic support from specific schools if they end up in what will clearly be seen as the better conference ... which is what those schools who will end up in what will clearly be seen as the subordinate conference will vote down.

(05-06-2016 09:40 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  No two leagues ever decide to "reshuffle," OP.

Try speculating on things that might actually happen.

They more go in the route of deciding to divide and conquer. The PAC, B1G and SEC encircled the B12.

The way to go for CUSA is probably to dissolve the conference and split in 2. That way the exit and entrance fees are dissolved. Then recruit 2-3 SBC schools each division to effectively put the SBC out of business.

Since we are having fun...

American Athletic Conference
Coastal
1. UMass
2. UConn
3. Army
4. Temple
5. Navy
6. ODU
7. ECU
8. UCF
Continental
1. Tulane
2. Southern Miss
3. Memphis
4. UAB
5. Cincinnati
6. Charlotte
7. Georgia State
8. USF
-------------------------------------
Southwest Conference
Eastern
1. Houston
2. Louisiana
3. Louisiana Tech
4. Arkansas State
5. Missouri State
6. Tulsa
7. Wichita State
Lonestar
1. Rice
2. Texas State
3. UTSA
4. SMU
5. North Texas
6. UTEP
7. New Mexico State
---------------------------
C-USA
North
1. Appalachian State
2. JMU
3. Marshall
4. WKU
5. MTSU
6. FAU
South
1. FIU
2. Georgia Southern
3. Coastal Carolina
4. Troy
5. USA
6. ULM

(05-08-2016 10:27 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 09:40 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  No two leagues ever decide to "reshuffle," OP.

Try speculating on things that might actually happen.

They more go in the route of deciding to divide and conquer. The PAC, B1G and SEC encircled the B12.

The way to go for CUSA is probably to dissolve the conference and split in 2. That way the exit and entrance fees are dissolved. Then recruit 2-3 SBC schools each division to effectively put the SBC out of business.

Then you have 2 conferences that are not part of the CFP agreement (which means no CFP money distribution for those schools) and do not have NCAA autobids (must wait 7 years before qualifying). That's just not going to be a very attractive option to anyone.

Those two "leagues" should stop stealing CFP money from all of the real athletic programs and just drop down to FCS. That would be the best thing for all schools in involved. Not one of those schools belong with us.

(05-08-2016 10:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-08-2016 10:27 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 09:40 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  No two leagues ever decide to "reshuffle," OP.

Try speculating on things that might actually happen.

They more go in the route of deciding to divide and conquer. The PAC, B1G and SEC encircled the B12.

The way to go for CUSA is probably to dissolve the conference and split in 2. That way the exit and entrance fees are dissolved. Then recruit 2-3 SBC schools each division to effectively put the SBC out of business.

Then you have 2 conferences that are not part of the CFP agreement (which means no CFP money distribution for those schools) and do not have NCAA autobids (must wait 7 years before qualifying). That's just not going to be a very attractive option to anyone.

Easy to fix.

1) Arrange for the 2 conferences start play in 2020, the year when the next CFP agreement begins.

2) With CUSA bulked up to 14 teams, both divisions with a split would have enough time playing each other to meet the 7 year qualification rule.

It can be done but must be timed correctly.

(05-09-2016 12:05 AM)GreenWave16 Wrote:  Those two "leagues" should stop stealing CFP money from all of the real athletic programs and just drop down to FCS. That would be the best thing for all schools in involved. Not one of those schools belong with us.

Is it your goal to get the most neg-rep on this site?

the only thing that tight/regional conferences will do for the teams in those conferences is assure most of them that they become irrelevant and die a slow painful death as they lose recruits, fans, churn through coaches at an ever greater cost and eventually watch perhaps a couple of the teams that manage to stay on top abandon them and the remaining ones have to drop to D1-AA

it is absolute 100% guaranteed death and history proves it time and again across a number of conferences and time frames P5 and G5 and all areas of the country