(05-05-2016 04:44 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 04:28 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  Cincy and BYU should be the only choices. BYU a no brainer. Cincy deserves to move up from the G5. Replace Cincinnati with Northern Illinois in the AAC

This guy gets it!

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I can see you opening a kiosk to hawk your wares. "STEP RIGHT UP, GET YOUR NICE FRESH NIU RIGHT HERE! NO WAITING!"

If I am the ACC and seeing a potential raid by the Big 10 and SEC in a few years, I grab UConn and Cincy right now.

1) "Ninja Swofford" strikes again in bringing ACC to 16, which is easier to schedule anyway.

2) Blocks Big 12 from grabbing Cincy. Cincy and ? will take first invitation.

3) Easier to backfill from raid.

4) Reset divisions to "old ACC" and "Big East" without using those names to restore rivalries. Perhaps don't require cross divisional permanent games unless you need to keep Miami vs. FSU.

5) Push for conference semi-finals if need be. If the divisional split doesn't work out do a no-division set up: 3 permanent rivals and rotate 6 others home and home in 4 years.

(05-05-2016 03:29 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  I could post blogs stating that USF should be the #1 choice for the Big 12 but, I'd rather not pimp some ones blog for clicks.

Anyway, posting this here does nothing to help UC or Memphis. It's what happens in the Big 12 boardroom that counts.

Well both of those schools have gone out of their way to solicit the B12 for adding them.

Besides the obvious BYU/Cincinnati combo, I'd Cougar-up: BYU and UH, or wait to see what happens with Colorado St. and UNLV's new stadiums and match one of them with BYU.

(05-05-2016 05:00 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  If I am the ACC and seeing a potential raid by the Big 10 and SEC in a few years, I grab UConn and Cincy right now.

1) "Ninja Swofford" strikes again in bringing ACC to 16, which is easier to schedule anyway.

2) Blocks Big 12 from grabbing Cincy. Cincy and ? will take first invitation.

3) Easier to backfill from raid.

4) Reset divisions to "old ACC" and "Big East" without using those names to restore rivalries. Perhaps don't require cross divisional permanent games unless you need to keep Miami vs. FSU.

5) Push for conference semi-finals if need be. If the divisional split doesn't work out do a no-division set up: 3 permanent rivals and rotate 6 others home and home in 4 years.

Or, is WVU a better get than Cincinnati? ACC adds UConn and WVU, then the Big 12 is free to look west (BYU, SDSU, and CSU?) or south (UCF/USF, Memphis?) or a mixture of both or whatever makes sense without geographic limitations.

(05-05-2016 05:35 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 05:00 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  If I am the ACC and seeing a potential raid by the Big 10 and SEC in a few years, I grab UConn and Cincy right now.

1) "Ninja Swofford" strikes again in bringing ACC to 16, which is easier to schedule anyway.

2) Blocks Big 12 from grabbing Cincy. Cincy and ? will take first invitation.

3) Easier to backfill from raid.

4) Reset divisions to "old ACC" and "Big East" without using those names to restore rivalries. Perhaps don't require cross divisional permanent games unless you need to keep Miami vs. FSU.

5) Push for conference semi-finals if need be. If the divisional split doesn't work out do a no-division set up: 3 permanent rivals and rotate 6 others home and home in 4 years.

Or, is WVU a better get than Cincinnati? ACC adds UConn and WVU, then the Big 12 is free to look west (BYU, SDSU, and CSU?) or south (UCF/USF, Memphis?) or a mixture of both or whatever makes sense without geographic limitations.

Yes but pulling from P5 is harder and only G5 candidates aren't affected by GORs.

The real fun will not be who gets added, but how the conference is divided. Does the Big 12 go for

North - Cincinnati, West Virginia, Memphis, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State
South - Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Baylor, TCU

or something like this:

Crimson - Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Baylor, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Kansas
Orange - Oklahoma State, Texas, TCU, West Virginia, Memphis, Kansas State

or perhaps more like this:

Atlantic - Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU, Baylor, West Virginia, Iowa State
Coastal - Texas, Kansas State, Kansas, Texas Tech, Cincinnati, Memphis

(05-05-2016 03:12 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  BYU WAS a football giant is probably more correct. BYU maxed out its performance in the Lavell Edwards era when it installed a revolutionary new offense. No BYU coach before Lavell Edwards had success. Under Edwards BYU massively expanded its sports infrastructure, and BYU had every possible advantage over its MWC peers post Edwards. But BYU couldn't get it done post Edwards. The honor code and peculiar culture prevented BYU from parlaying institutional advantages into on field advantages with TCU, Utah, and Boise fielding superior teams without the resources.

With TCU and Utah moving up, the gap in success has grown even larger as BYU's unique limitations prevent it from competing at a higher level against resource equivalent schools. BYU has an intrinsically lower ceiling than other programs, and that ceiling was hit in the mid 1980s. Is the BigXii looking for a maxed brand to tide things over until UT/OU bail or are they looking to build a conference for the long term.

Byu was never a giant. They were a smartass media gimmick team and the worst team to ever be voted a NC. It was laughable and still is to those old enough to remember. Think undefeated marshall winning a NC over a two loss Bama. It was and still is laughable.

Eff BYU

(05-05-2016 04:51 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 04:44 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 04:28 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  Cincy and BYU should be the only choices. BYU a no brainer. Cincy deserves to move up from the G5. Replace Cincinnati with Northern Illinois in the AAC

This guy gets it!

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I can see you opening a kiosk to hawk your wares. "STEP RIGHT UP, GET YOUR NICE FRESH NIU RIGHT HERE! NO WAITING!"

Is that so wrong?!?! I'm a passionate fan

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(05-05-2016 05:47 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Byu was never a giant. They were a smartass media gimmick team and the worst team to ever be voted a NC. It was laughable and still is to those old enough to remember. Think undefeated marshall winning a NC over a two loss Bama. It was and still is laughable.

Eff BYU

A more appropriate 2016 analogy would be like an undefeated Marshall team, with 5 NFL players, that beat #2 Notre Dame in South Bend, played an AAC conference schedule, and then beat Nebraska or Penn St. in its bowl game - and where there are no conference championship games, no CFP (or even BCS), and ties are allowed - no OT games.

Meanwhile,
- PAC champion is 3-loss Oregon, in an upset over undefeated USC.
- SEC champion Alabama is the only ranked team, other than BYU and USC, that has fewer than 2 losses. Alabama fires Nick Saban after its third game (with a 1-1-1 record) because of NCAA violations that Saban and his staff committed over the previous few years.
- B1G champion Michigan has two conference losses and one OOC loss.
- ACC champ Florida St. has two conference losses
- Big 12 champ Oklahoma has a bad OOC loss to Boston College

Debatable, but not laughable.

Memphis is 760 miles from Morgantown and yet somehow it forms a "bridge" to WVU?

(05-05-2016 03:22 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 03:12 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  BYU WAS a football giant is probably more correct. BYU maxed out its performance in the Lavell Edwards era when it installed a revolutionary new offense. No BYU coach before Lavell Edwards had success. Under Edwards BYU massively expanded its sports infrastructure, and BYU had every possible advantage over its MWC peers post Edwards. But BYU couldn't get it done post Edwards. The honor code and peculiar culture prevented BYU from parlaying institutional advantages into on field advantages with TCU, Utah, and Boise fielding superior teams without the resources.

With TCU and Utah moving up, the gap in success has grown even larger as BYU's unique limitations prevent it from competing at a higher level against resource equivalent schools. BYU has an intrinsically lower ceiling than other programs, and that ceiling was hit in the mid 1980s. Is the BigXii looking for a maxed brand to tide things over until UT/OU bail or are they looking to build a conference for the long term.

I'm sure a Utah fan has no bias.

The only way to have no bias in an opinion in any matter is to be completely uninformed. If you trust completely uninformed opinions, then more power to you. All the posters on this board who are informed have the same opinion, so maybe you should consider the bias isn't the cause.

I can't wait until this is over and the Big 12 picks two teams no one had even thought about. Because again, any two will do.

(05-05-2016 06:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Memphis is 760 miles from Morgantown and yet somehow it forms a "bridge" to WVU?

Well, it is a tad closer than Ames, Iowa - 862 miles. The bridge is really both Cincinnati (300 miles) and Memphis.

(05-05-2016 06:22 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 05:47 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Byu was never a giant. They were a smartass media gimmick team and the worst team to ever be voted a NC. It was laughable and still is to those old enough to remember. Think undefeated marshall winning a NC over a two loss Bama. It was and still is laughable.

Eff BYU

A more appropriate 2016 analogy would be like an undefeated Marshall team, with 5 NFL players, that beat #2 Notre Dame in South Bend, played an AAC conference schedule, and then beat Nebraska or Penn St. in its bowl game - and where there are no conference championship games, no CFP (or even BCS), and ties are allowed - no OT games.

Meanwhile,
- PAC champion is 3-loss Oregon, in an upset over undefeated USC.
- SEC champion Alabama is the only ranked team, other than BYU and USC, that has fewer than 2 losses. Alabama fires Nick Saban after its third game (with a 1-1-1 record) because of NCAA violations that Saban and his staff committed over the previous few years.
- B1G champion Michigan has two conference losses and one OOC loss.
- ACC champ Florida St. has two conference losses
- Big 12 champ Oklahoma has a bad OOC loss to Boston College

Debatable, but not laughable.

I remember it. ^Debatable yes. Going into that season BYU had a great schedule set up, but those teams lost their rankings by the end of the season. (like Pitt) Also, the Michigan (6-5) team that BYU beat in the Holiday Bowl wasn't who usually made the Holiday Bowl. Usually the Big Ten runner up that the WAC winner (almost always BYU then) faced in the Hoiliday Bowl was a highly ranked team. Like the Ty Detmer team that tied #7 Iowa in the 1991 Holiday Bowl or a top 10 Ohio St that BYU played in other Holiday Bowls. That was a strange season from start to finish.
Cheers!

(05-05-2016 04:28 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 04:16 PM)kurtrundell Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 03:20 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  The Big 12 needs to add Colorado state and New Mexico. Then make a push for Houston and either Memphis or Tulane.

I agree with you on CSU and NM. The Big XII screwed up in 2010 by not being proactive and adding Utah and BYU when they knew that Colorado and Nebraska were leaving. When Mizzou and A&M bolted, adding Colorado State and New Mexico would have been perfect fit both geographically and culturally.

Then the conference screwed up again in 2011 by not adding Louisville and Pitt along with WV and TCU in the eastern expansion. Now, WVU is on an island, the other two are in the ACC, and adding BYU and Cincy puts BYU is WVU's current situation, except further away.

I'm a Big XII guy, but the leadership is stupid, short-sighted, and bullied by one school.

At this point, they should just add UCF and USF for 11 and 12, or throw in Cincy and Tulane/UCONN to make it 14.

CSU and UNM are historically two of the worst football programs in FBS. They are too much of a competitive risk.

New Mexico's basketball has been a good program. I don't look at either as being some type of silver bullet that could kill all of the Big 12's demons. Instead I look at CSU and UNM as investment properties. The Big 12 could get them to join the conference and pay them around 5-7 million per year. Both programs would jump at the chance to earn their way into the conference.

(05-05-2016 06:56 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 06:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Memphis is 760 miles from Morgantown and yet somehow it forms a "bridge" to WVU?

Well, it is a tad closer than Ames, Iowa - 862 miles. The bridge is really both Cincinnati (300 miles) and Memphis.

Cincy contributes to a bridge to WVU, Memphis contributes nothing to that bridge.

I fear Cincy does get a Big 12 bid, but only paired with BYU. If BYU is off the table, the Big 12 might go all-in with Florida schools.

Though a Cincy - USF pairing wouldn't bother me, LOL.

(05-05-2016 05:35 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 05:00 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  If I am the ACC and seeing a potential raid by the Big 10 and SEC in a few years, I grab UConn and Cincy right now.

1) "Ninja Swofford" strikes again in bringing ACC to 16, which is easier to schedule anyway.

2) Blocks Big 12 from grabbing Cincy. Cincy and ? will take first invitation.

3) Easier to backfill from raid.

4) Reset divisions to "old ACC" and "Big East" without using those names to restore rivalries. Perhaps don't require cross divisional permanent games unless you need to keep Miami vs. FSU.

5) Push for conference semi-finals if need be. If the divisional split doesn't work out do a no-division set up: 3 permanent rivals and rotate 6 others home and home in 4 years.

Or, is WVU a better get than Cincinnati? ACC adds UConn and WVU, then the Big 12 is free to look west (BYU, SDSU, and CSU?) or south (UCF/USF, Memphis?) or a mixture of both or whatever makes sense without geographic limitations.

They signed a GOR. Cincy and UConn are free agents.

(05-06-2016 07:10 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 05:35 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 05:00 PM)Soobahk40050 Wrote:  If I am the ACC and seeing a potential raid by the Big 10 and SEC in a few years, I grab UConn and Cincy right now.

1) "Ninja Swofford" strikes again in bringing ACC to 16, which is easier to schedule anyway.

2) Blocks Big 12 from grabbing Cincy. Cincy and ? will take first invitation.

3) Easier to backfill from raid.

4) Reset divisions to "old ACC" and "Big East" without using those names to restore rivalries. Perhaps don't require cross divisional permanent games unless you need to keep Miami vs. FSU.

5) Push for conference semi-finals if need be. If the divisional split doesn't work out do a no-division set up: 3 permanent rivals and rotate 6 others home and home in 4 years.

Or, is WVU a better get than Cincinnati? ACC adds UConn and WVU, then the Big 12 is free to look west (BYU, SDSU, and CSU?) or south (UCF/USF, Memphis?) or a mixture of both or whatever makes sense without geographic limitations.

They signed a GOR. Cincy and UConn are free agents.

There are exit fees. Yeah, laugh about those, LOL.

This blog has as much to do with what B12 will do as Tux Yoda.