http://www.bcsnn.com/big-xii/8796-cincin...sense.html

I just don't know how anyone passes on BYU....

BYU is football power, it's a fact...IMO, BYU should be #11, and then #12 could be Cinci or Memphis

(05-05-2016 03:03 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  I just don't know how anyone passes on BYU....

BYU is football power, it's a fact...IMO, BYU should be #11, and then #12 could be Cinci or Memphis

BYU will still have recruiting limitations with the Honor Code and having 24 yr old freshman. The Big 12 needs to consider that.

BYU WAS a football giant is probably more correct. BYU maxed out its performance in the Lavell Edwards era when it installed a revolutionary new offense. No BYU coach before Lavell Edwards had success. Under Edwards BYU massively expanded its sports infrastructure, and BYU had every possible advantage over its MWC peers post Edwards. But BYU couldn't get it done post Edwards. The honor code and peculiar culture prevented BYU from parlaying institutional advantages into on field advantages with TCU, Utah, and Boise fielding superior teams without the resources.

With TCU and Utah moving up, the gap in success has grown even larger as BYU's unique limitations prevent it from competing at a higher level against resource equivalent schools. BYU has an intrinsically lower ceiling than other programs, and that ceiling was hit in the mid 1980s. Is the BigXii looking for a maxed brand to tide things over until UT/OU bail or are they looking to build a conference for the long term.

From a recruiting stand point the Big 12 getting their foot in the door in the Cincy market would be huge.

The Big 12 needs to add Colorado state and New Mexico. Then make a push for Houston and either Memphis or Tulane.

(05-05-2016 03:12 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  BYU WAS a football giant is probably more correct. BYU maxed out its performance in the Lavell Edwards era when it installed a revolutionary new offense. No BYU coach before Lavell Edwards had success. Under Edwards BYU massively expanded its sports infrastructure, and BYU had every possible advantage over its MWC peers post Edwards. But BYU couldn't get it done post Edwards. The honor code and peculiar culture prevented BYU from parlaying institutional advantages into on field advantages with TCU, Utah, and Boise fielding superior teams without the resources.

With TCU and Utah moving up, the gap in success has grown even larger as BYU's unique limitations prevent it from competing at a higher level against resource equivalent schools. BYU has an intrinsically lower ceiling than other programs, and that ceiling was hit in the mid 1980s. Is the BigXii looking for a maxed brand to tide things over until UT/OU bail or are they looking to build a conference for the long term.

I'm sure a Utah fan has no bias.

I could post blogs stating that USF should be the #1 choice for the Big 12 but, I'd rather not pimp some ones blog for clicks.

Anyway, posting this here does nothing to help UC or Memphis. It's what happens in the Big 12 boardroom that counts.

(05-05-2016 03:18 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  From a recruiting stand point the Big 12 getting their foot in the door in the Cincy market would be huge.

Ohio in general. And metro Indianapolis is no joke. Excellent football being played there. Big 12 will go east.

(05-05-2016 03:29 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  I could post blogs stating that USF should be the #1 choice for the Big 12 but, I'd rather not pimp some ones blog for clicks.

Anyway, posting this here does nothing to help UC or Memphis. It's what happens in the Big 12 boardroom that counts.

I refuse to believe that!

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(05-05-2016 03:12 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  BYU WAS a football giant is probably more correct. BYU maxed out its performance in the Lavell Edwards era when it installed a revolutionary new offense. No BYU coach before Lavell Edwards had success. Under Edwards BYU massively expanded its sports infrastructure, and BYU had every possible advantage over its MWC peers post Edwards. But BYU couldn't get it done post Edwards. The honor code and peculiar culture prevented BYU from parlaying institutional advantages into on field advantages with TCU, Utah, and Boise fielding superior teams without the resources.

With TCU and Utah moving up, the gap in success has grown even larger as BYU's unique limitations prevent it from competing at a higher level against resource equivalent schools. BYU has an intrinsically lower ceiling than other programs, and that ceiling was hit in the mid 1980s. Is the BigXii looking for a maxed brand to tide things over until UT/OU bail or are they looking to build a conference for the long term.

that's just nonsense....BYU gets to play top notch teams. If you know college football, you know who BYU is

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(05-05-2016 03:06 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 03:03 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  I just don't know how anyone passes on BYU....

BYU is football power, it's a fact...IMO, BYU should be #11, and then #12 could be Cinci or Memphis

BYU will still have recruiting limitations with the Honor Code and having 24 yr old freshman. The Big 12 needs to consider that.

I'm not sure either of those is a negative for the Big 12. (despite the obvious and false age jab).

Bring in a good academic school that will expand the footprint into the west (not just Utah) and supply a top-3 fan base, stadium, and bball arena, but that won't be able to out-recruit the upper-echelon of the conference? Sign 'em up!

Sure, Cincy and Memphis...whatever.

Just pick 2....ANY 2 SCHOOLS...and end this B12. These two new schools really don't matter. They just need 12 universities, soooo get to 12 and call it a day.

(05-05-2016 03:20 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  The Big 12 needs to add Colorado state and New Mexico. Then make a push for Houston and either Memphis or Tulane.

I agree with you on CSU and NM. The Big XII screwed up in 2010 by not being proactive and adding Utah and BYU when they knew that Colorado and Nebraska were leaving. When Mizzou and A&M bolted, adding Colorado State and New Mexico would have been perfect fit both geographically and culturally.

Then the conference screwed up again in 2011 by not adding Louisville and Pitt along with WV and TCU in the eastern expansion. Now, WVU is on an island, the other two are in the ACC, and adding BYU and Cincy puts BYU is WVU's current situation, except further away.

I'm a Big XII guy, but the leadership is stupid, short-sighted, and bullied by one school.

At this point, they should just add UCF and USF for 11 and 12, or throw in Cincy and Tulane/UCONN to make it 14.

(05-05-2016 03:18 PM)kreed5120 Wrote:  From a recruiting stand point the Big 12 getting their foot in the door in the Cincy market would be huge.

Irrelevant. Nobody is going to change their recruiting because Cincinnati is in the conference. It would help WVU a little who already recruits there and perhaps Iowa St.

(05-05-2016 04:16 PM)kurtrundell Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 03:20 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  The Big 12 needs to add Colorado state and New Mexico. Then make a push for Houston and either Memphis or Tulane.

I agree with you on CSU and NM. The Big XII screwed up in 2010 by not being proactive and adding Utah and BYU when they knew that Colorado and Nebraska were leaving. When Mizzou and A&M bolted, adding Colorado State and New Mexico would have been perfect fit both geographically and culturally.

Then the conference screwed up again in 2011 by not adding Louisville and Pitt along with WV and TCU in the eastern expansion. Now, WVU is on an island, the other two are in the ACC, and adding BYU and Cincy puts BYU is WVU's current situation, except further away.

I'm a Big XII guy, but the leadership is stupid, short-sighted, and bullied by one school.

At this point, they should just add UCF and USF for 11 and 12, or throw in Cincy and Tulane/UCONN to make it 14.

CSU and UNM are historically two of the worst football programs in FBS. They are too much of a competitive risk.

Cincy and BYU should be the only choices. BYU a no brainer. Cincy deserves to move up from the G5. Replace Cincinnati with Northern Illinois in the AAC

The 4 most logical choices to me are USF and UCF to max out the I-4 corridor, Cincinnati, and UConn. If not UConn, due to distance, then Memphis would be a fine choice also.

I know Houston gets mentioned, but I just don't see the Texas schools wanting to bring in another Texas school. SMU is a non starter, and I just don't think you go east AND west at the same time by bringing in BYU.

(05-05-2016 04:28 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  Cincy and BYU should be the only choices. BYU a no brainer. Cincy deserves to move up from the G5. Replace Cincinnati with Northern Illinois in the AAC

This guy gets it!

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