Maybe Tubby [and all the others] could learn something from this guy:

http://www.today.com/news/virginia-tech-...hem-t79271

lil thngs are just a nickel. if you're selling it; it's five pennies. if you're buyin it, what does it really change?

"STAND UP, GENTLEMEN, IT'S COMMON COURTESY". it's five cents if you sell it and 5 peenies if you buy it..

dayum, it's triflin sometimes. "JUST DO IT, MEN"

(05-12-2016 05:40 PM)dan o Wrote:  

(05-12-2016 05:10 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-12-2016 12:46 PM)TigerBo Wrote:  

(05-12-2016 10:20 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(05-12-2016 08:33 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:   smdh

Good grief too much has been made of them not standing up. They're 18-21 year old kids, some of whom have grown up in broken homes.

Manners and respect are easy.. even for an 18yo.

If you don't know you don't know

So their natural or learned instincts do not include civility, basic manners and respect for your elders?

My oh my does that speak loudly

Standing to shake hands is not instinct it is taught.

(05-12-2016 06:18 PM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  

(05-12-2016 06:15 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(05-12-2016 05:40 PM)dan o Wrote:  

(05-12-2016 05:10 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-12-2016 12:46 PM)TigerBo Wrote:  Manners and respect are easy.. even for an 18yo.

If you don't know you don't know

So their natural or learned instincts do not include civility, basic manners and respect for your elders?

My oh my does that speak loudly

Welcome to 2016. Some don't even know which bathroom to use and you expect them to stand up to shake someone's hand?

True dat

My goodness.....Ok, maybe the guys should've stood up to shake Tubby's hand. It was just an awkward moment. Not a big deal.

(05-13-2016 05:14 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-12-2016 05:40 PM)dan o Wrote:  

(05-12-2016 05:10 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-12-2016 12:46 PM)TigerBo Wrote:  

(05-12-2016 10:20 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Good grief too much has been made of them not standing up. They're 18-21 year old kids, some of whom have grown up in broken homes.

Manners and respect are easy.. even for an 18yo.

If you don't know you don't know

So their natural or learned instincts do not include civility, basic manners and respect for your elders?

My oh my does that speak loudly

Standing to shake hands is not instinct it is taught.

Are the right daddy's on staff?

(05-13-2016 05:14 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-12-2016 05:40 PM)dan o Wrote:  

(05-12-2016 05:10 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-12-2016 12:46 PM)TigerBo Wrote:  

(05-12-2016 10:20 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  Good grief too much has been made of them not standing up. They're 18-21 year old kids, some of whom have grown up in broken homes.

Manners and respect are easy.. even for an 18yo.

If you don't know you don't know

So their natural or learned instincts do not include civility, basic manners and respect for your elders?

My oh my does that speak loudly

Standing to shake hands is not instinct it is taught.

You can be taught and then what you have learned can be instinctive

(05-13-2016 07:54 AM)dan o Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 05:14 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-12-2016 05:40 PM)dan o Wrote:  

(05-12-2016 05:10 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(05-12-2016 12:46 PM)TigerBo Wrote:  Manners and respect are easy.. even for an 18yo.

If you don't know you don't know

So their natural or learned instincts do not include civility, basic manners and respect for your elders?

My oh my does that speak loudly

Standing to shake hands is not instinct it is taught.

You can be taught and then what you have learned can be instinctive

Both of Markel's parents were drug addicts. It's amazing he hasn't murdered anyone. I'm sure there are others with the same issues

I hate to hear that, I really like Markel and will pull even harder for him now. No matter what he does on the basketball court I hope he takes full advantage of his scholarship and sets himself up for a better life down the road. I know first hand what it is like to grow up with 1 drug addicted parent, can't image what it would have been like if both my parents had been addicts.

Don't like these guys not standing up? Help other young men know how to grow into solid men.

There are lots of young men that could use you stepping in the gap as a mentor through several different programs...become a foster parent, volunteer as a big brother, become a respite home. Do something! Don't just whine about it

(05-13-2016 11:50 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  Don't like these guys not standing up? Help other young men know how to grow into solid men.

There are lots of young men that could use you stepping in the gap as a mentor through several different programs...become a foster parent, volunteer as a big brother, become a respite home. Do something! Don't just whine about it

Here's a great way to get involved:

http://www.manriseministries.com/

(05-13-2016 11:25 AM)idroot4russia Wrote:  I hate to hear that, I really like Markel and will pull even harder for him now. No matter what he does on the basketball court I hope he takes full advantage of his scholarship and sets himself up for a better life down the road. I know first hand what it is like to grow up with 1 drug addicted parent, can't image what it would have been like if both my parents had been addicts.

Let's put it this way. He's happy to have 3 square meals a day

For someone who grew up like that, one of the most rewarding things in life is being able break the cycle and provide a better life for your own kids. My girls have a far better life than I had as a child. But I doubt what I went through comes anywhere close to what Markel went through. I still had my mom who is a very strong, hard working woman and we received a ton of support from grandparents on both sides. I grew up in poverty and had a lot of wants that went unfulfilled but all my needs were always covered.

(05-13-2016 11:50 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  Don't like these guys not standing up? Help other young men know how to grow into solid men.

There are lots of young men that could use you stepping in the gap as a mentor through several different programs...become a foster parent, volunteer as a big brother, become a respite home. Do something! Don't just whine about it

Thank you for your very noble suggestions, and presumably they are based on your own personal involvement.

However, I would disagree with your characterization of my comments as "whining" when they were submitted merely as an opinion.

The sarcasm here prevents most mature discussions, but let me at least try and then allow the buzzards to attack.

These young men are the recipients of a golden educational and maturation opportunity at no cost.

They are fed, trained, tutored towards a miraculous fast track of a 3 year degree.

And, regardless of the insulting descriptions of Josh Pastner, one would be hard pressed to find another college coach with his level of goodness and decency. As to his coaching skills, I will leave that those who enjoy describing him as "Opie".

The coaching staff of D-1 athletes are undoubtedly intended to be a primary provider of examples of decency, civility and basic manners. They spend countless hours with these young men, as do the support staff provided at no charge to them. That includes the tutors, substitute father figures and other examples of mature adults for them to learn from.

Whatever the depravity of their personal life, the University has offered them the "chance" to learn how to become good and educated citizens.

That they have not reached that level is not because money, assets, time and effort have not been expended on their behalf.

To excuse them for the lack of basic manners is to condemn the educational process and free opportunities of collegiate athletes.

(05-13-2016 07:05 PM)dan o Wrote:  And, regardless of the insulting descriptions of Josh Pastner, one would be hard pressed to find another college coach with his level of goodness and decency.

Cal lived near campus and opened his home to his players. Josh lived in a gated community way out east. When Cal's players messed up he stood by them and took all the criticism. When Josh's players messed up he sat them until they transferred out. Cal cared about his players, Josh cared about his image. Josh was never a father figure to those kids.

I'm so sick of people making Josh out to be some kind of saint. These kids aren't dumb, they know whats real and whats fake. That's why there was always a disconnect between Josh and the players, he never gave them love and they never gave him respect.

F Josh.

(05-13-2016 09:43 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 07:05 PM)dan o Wrote:  And, regardless of the insulting descriptions of Josh Pastner, one would be hard pressed to find another college coach with his level of goodness and decency.

Cal lived near campus and opened his home to his players. Josh lived in a gated community way out east. When Cal's players messed up he stood by them and took all the criticism. When Josh's players messed up he sat them until they transferred out. Cal cared about his players, Josh cared about his image. Josh was never a father figure to those kids.

I'm so sick of people making Josh out to be some kind of saint. These kids aren't dumb, they know whats real and whats fake. That's why there was always a disconnect between Josh and the players, he never gave them love and they never gave him respect.

F Josh.

I respect your opinion.

Josh also had the players to his house. Josh did many things without a PR team making sure it got noticed. Cal bought and used players as rental property. Cal was about Cal and about as fake as it gets

In my opinion

(05-14-2016 07:08 AM)dan o Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 09:43 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 07:05 PM)dan o Wrote:  And, regardless of the insulting descriptions of Josh Pastner, one would be hard pressed to find another college coach with his level of goodness and decency.

Cal lived near campus and opened his home to his players. Josh lived in a gated community way out east. When Cal's players messed up he stood by them and took all the criticism. When Josh's players messed up he sat them until they transferred out. Cal cared about his players, Josh cared about his image. Josh was never a father figure to those kids.

I'm so sick of people making Josh out to be some kind of saint. These kids aren't dumb, they know whats real and whats fake. That's why there was always a disconnect between Josh and the players, he never gave them love and they never gave him respect.

F Josh.

I respect your opinion.

Josh also had the players to his house. Josh did many things without a PR team making sure it got noticed. Cal bought and used players as rental property. Cal was about Cal and about as fake as it gets

In my opinion

Cal may have been a salesman and he also works the media and the fans...

But one thing is for sure, most of his players respected him.

(05-13-2016 09:43 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 07:05 PM)dan o Wrote:  And, regardless of the insulting descriptions of Josh Pastner, one would be hard pressed to find another college coach with his level of goodness and decency.

Cal lived near campus and opened his home to his players. Josh lived in a gated community way out east. When Cal's players messed up he stood by them and took all the criticism. When Josh's players messed up he sat them until they transferred out. Cal cared about his players, Josh cared about his image. Josh was never a father figure to those kids.

I'm so sick of people making Josh out to be some kind of saint. These kids aren't dumb, they know whats real and whats fake. That's why there was always a disconnect between Josh and the players, he never gave them love and they never gave him respect.

F Josh.

Josh was different in many ways. Like him or not that's an individual choice. But the lack of civility when his name comes up is neither admirable or justified. he was certainly not perfect, he made mistakes and he had problems relating to players. He was anything but fake. His public record for being a "good guy" was extensive and I can assure you what he did out of the public eye, those things never reported, far exceeded what was printed.

Josh's biggest mistake was taking a high profile job before he was ready....and not winning big games and going deep in the tourney. Coaching is an unforgiving business if you don't win and they are paid well for their time. The age of technology and social media allows for anonymous and vicious, often completely false attacks on every aspect of their lives.

I personally like Josh as a person. I still communicate with him. I was one of his biggest supporters and wanted him to have every chance to succeed. But there was no way for Josh to recover from losing the fan base, especially after his last two years and all the transfers. He failed in some areas that demanded success as a coach and it was time to move on.

I think it is a sad reality of the message board culture that people can hide behind anonymous screen names and malign people in the manner we see everyday. Kirk is dead, Cal moved to Kentucky and Josh moved to Georgia. Each left scars in different ways. Kirk and Cal won but left the program to face probation. They left some ugly realities of all that is bad about college sports. Josh left the program as a marginal program. If we focus on the future and suggestions like Tigerjames shared we can all enjoy life and and be part of making our community better and stronger. It's better than drive-by attacks and complaints by a long-shot.

If anything Josh should have taken more of the blame when the team lost and for overall underachievement. Anyways I guess it's time to move on. So glad that's over.

(05-14-2016 09:15 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 09:43 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  

(05-13-2016 07:05 PM)dan o Wrote:  And, regardless of the insulting descriptions of Josh Pastner, one would be hard pressed to find another college coach with his level of goodness and decency.

Cal lived near campus and opened his home to his players. Josh lived in a gated community way out east. When Cal's players messed up he stood by them and took all the criticism. When Josh's players messed up he sat them until they transferred out. Cal cared about his players, Josh cared about his image. Josh was never a father figure to those kids.

I'm so sick of people making Josh out to be some kind of saint. These kids aren't dumb, they know whats real and whats fake. That's why there was always a disconnect between Josh and the players, he never gave them love and they never gave him respect.

F Josh.

Josh was different in many ways. Like him or not that's an individual choice. But the lack of civility when his name comes up is neither admirable or justified. he was certainly not perfect, he made mistakes and he had problems relating to players. He was anything but fake. His public record for being a "good guy" was extensive and I can assure you what he did out of the public eye, those things never reported, far exceeded what was printed.

Josh's biggest mistake was taking a high profile job before he was ready....and not winning big games and going deep in the tourney. Coaching is an unforgiving business if you don't win and they are paid well for their time. The age of technology and social media allows for anonymous and vicious, often completely false attacks on every aspect of their lives.

I personally like Josh as a person. I still communicate with him. I was one of his biggest supporters and wanted him to have every chance to succeed. But there was no way for Josh to recover from losing the fan base, especially after his last two years and all the transfers. He failed in some areas that demanded success as a coach and it was time to move on.

I think it is a sad reality of the message board culture that people can hide behind anonymous screen names and malign people in the manner we see everyday. Kirk is dead, Cal moved to Kentucky and Josh moved to Georgia. Each left scars in different ways. Kirk and Cal won but left the program to face probation. They left some ugly realities of all that is bad about college sports. Josh left the program as a marginal program. If we focus on the future and suggestions like Tigerjames shared we can all enjoy life and and be part of making our community better and stronger. It's better than drive-by attacks and complaints by a long-shot.

Great post!