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RE: IF the B12 raided the AAC, what does the AAC do next?
(05-06-2016 09:32 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 09:26 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 09:22 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 08:08 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  What do you guys think of my conference realignment solution?

The American (after Cincinnati leaves to Big 12 (hypothetical)) and C-USA need to re-align, plus App state moves from the sunbelt. To me no power is lost in the either conference just shifted around to make geographical sense. Regional footprints are way to big in the AAC and C-USA, I doubt people in the AAC can go to very many road games. I know some AAC people are going to scoff at this but a guy can dream right?

Proposed Conferences: (12 teams each)

Conference A: Old Dominion, Marshall, East Carolina, WKU, Charlotte, App State, Temple, Navy, UCF, S Florida, FAU, FIU, UConn

Conference B: Tulsa, SMU, Houston, North Texas, Rice, UTSA, La Tech, Tulane, MTSU, UAB, Southern Miss, UTEP, Memphis

That would be a no go for the AAC. However, the good news for you guys is you don't need the AAC to accomplish your desired goal. The Sunbelt and CUSA have a total of 24 teams in an overlapping footprint. No reason why the two conferences, who now both make about the same money, can't get together and negotiate a planned reorganization that creates the more geographically coherent tight travel friendly footprints you desire.

Good point but why do you care, Houston should and I think will be in the Big 12. Anyways although we may make the same money, C-USA views the Sun Belt like the AAC views C-USA

I view the Funbelt over CUSA.

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RE: IF the B12 raided the AAC, what does the AAC do next?
(05-05-2016 07:24 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-05-2016 12:51 PM)Bull Wrote:  
(05-05-2016 12:31 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  If we lose two, I think they approach the MWC. We go hard after 6 of their teams.

If we lose 1, we offer Army first, then go after the MWC... and if not either then we have to look at the MAC or CUSA (which REALLY sucks for us)

Either way, I think the outcome has to be an aggressive move toward consolidating the best from the MWC into the AAC. 5-6 team addition would be best.

Air Force and Colorado are slam dunk additions. SDSU should be with us already. If UNLV gets an NFL team and that awesome new stadium, then they make a ton of sense. At that point the conference is dead and we offer Boise a lifeline.... an equal only share though. If we need a 6th team because we lost 2, then I would tend to lean toward Fresno. 2 teams each in Florida, Texas and California has some real recruiting potential.

Isn't this a catch-22? We become less attractive to MWC schools as we get raided...

Ding! Which is why raiding the MWC is a pipe dream. If we backfill it will be from CUSA or MAC.

Heck, depending on who we lose the MWC might raid us.

Well of course we are more attractive as we sit, but then again the MWC isnt as attractive as it looked when they decided to not join us.

Since then, they have had to put up with the prima dona antics of Boise and then 3 of them got shut out entirely of bonuses. Add in that the four I want got some of the worst time slots and are not being featured within their conference.
If Air Force, Colorado St, SDSU and Fresno were to move over to the AAC they would get equal revenue sharing, EST time slots (which is very attractive) and have a significantly increases presence on TV. You do realize that the MWC gets about 1/3rd of the basketball games televised that we do. Only 16 of their football games get shown on ESPN.

We can ease the transition by using the exiting teams fees to help pay our new teams exit fees. It makes the move even more feasible. We already know that SDSU wants to be here. Fresno wanted to but wasnt invited. So the hard ones to get are Air Force and CSU. Air Force has stated they would like to be in the same conference as the other two academies.
So you offer Army a scheduling agreement to help move Air Force. CSU has complained numerous times about their role in the MWC and has said they would like more EST games to showcase their investments in the sports programs.

Will losing cinci hurt... yep, but they havent been the top football program for several years now. Weve seen alot of parity in this conference and I dont see losing them as a death knell to our league. Losing 2 teams will hurt alot more, especially if its Uconn. They are our only national championship team.

If we are aggressive and present this package to the disenfranchised MWC schools, we can also say that expansion is dead. Nobody will be picking up AAC teams after this. That was one of their biggest concerns.

Its not impossible to get this done. Aresco needs to put together a valuation of a combined conference and pitch it. Equality, more exposure, better time slots and money will get some to move. I actually think CSU would be the first... then Air Force will follow. We get those two and SDSU will be all for the move... and Fresno will follow with ease.
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RE: IF the B12 raided the AAC, what does the AAC do next?
(05-06-2016 09:32 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 09:26 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 09:22 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 08:08 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  What do you guys think of my conference realignment solution?

The American (after Cincinnati leaves to Big 12 (hypothetical)) and C-USA need to re-align, plus App state moves from the sunbelt. To me no power is lost in the either conference just shifted around to make geographical sense. Regional footprints are way to big in the AAC and C-USA, I doubt people in the AAC can go to very many road games. I know some AAC people are going to scoff at this but a guy can dream right?

Proposed Conferences: (12 teams each)

Conference A: Old Dominion, Marshall, East Carolina, WKU, Charlotte, App State, Temple, Navy, UCF, S Florida, FAU, FIU, UConn

Conference B: Tulsa, SMU, Houston, North Texas, Rice, UTSA, La Tech, Tulane, MTSU, UAB, Southern Miss, UTEP, Memphis

That would be a no go for the AAC. However, the good news for you guys is you don't need the AAC to accomplish your desired goal. The Sunbelt and CUSA have a total of 24 teams in an overlapping footprint. No reason why the two conferences, who now both make about the same money, can't get together and negotiate a planned reorganization that creates the more geographically coherent tight travel friendly footprints you desire.

Good point but why do you care, Houston should and I think will be in the Big 12. Anyways although we may make the same money, C-USA views the Sun Belt like the AAC views C-USA

I view the Funbelt over CUSA.
That's actually becoming a fairly common perception nowadays...

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RE: IF the B12 raided the AAC, what does the AAC do next?
(05-06-2016 11:23 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 09:32 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 09:26 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 09:22 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 08:08 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  What do you guys think of my conference realignment solution?

The American (after Cincinnati leaves to Big 12 (hypothetical)) and C-USA need to re-align, plus App state moves from the sunbelt. To me no power is lost in the either conference just shifted around to make geographical sense. Regional footprints are way to big in the AAC and C-USA, I doubt people in the AAC can go to very many road games. I know some AAC people are going to scoff at this but a guy can dream right?

Proposed Conferences: (12 teams each)

Conference A: Old Dominion, Marshall, East Carolina, WKU, Charlotte, App State, Temple, Navy, UCF, S Florida, FAU, FIU, UConn

Conference B: Tulsa, SMU, Houston, North Texas, Rice, UTSA, La Tech, Tulane, MTSU, UAB, Southern Miss, UTEP, Memphis

That would be a no go for the AAC. However, the good news for you guys is you don't need the AAC to accomplish your desired goal. The Sunbelt and CUSA have a total of 24 teams in an overlapping footprint. No reason why the two conferences, who now both make about the same money, can't get together and negotiate a planned reorganization that creates the more geographically coherent tight travel friendly footprints you desire.

Good point but why do you care, Houston should and I think will be in the Big 12. Anyways although we may make the same money, C-USA views the Sun Belt like the AAC views C-USA

I view the Funbelt over CUSA.
That's actually becoming a fairly common perception nowadays...

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RE: IF the B12 raided the AAC, what does the AAC do next?
(05-06-2016 11:32 AM)TopCoog2016 Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 11:23 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 09:32 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 09:26 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 09:22 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  That would be a no go for the AAC. However, the good news for you guys is you don't need the AAC to accomplish your desired goal. The Sunbelt and CUSA have a total of 24 teams in an overlapping footprint. No reason why the two conferences, who now both make about the same money, can't get together and negotiate a planned reorganization that creates the more geographically coherent tight travel friendly footprints you desire.

Good point but why do you care, Houston should and I think will be in the Big 12. Anyways although we may make the same money, C-USA views the Sun Belt like the AAC views C-USA

I view the Funbelt over CUSA.
That's actually becoming a fairly common perception nowadays...

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not one person in 10,000 sits around and ponders who has the strongest conference.

Lots of people wonder who has the strongest conference.
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RE: IF the B12 raided the AAC, what does the AAC do next?
(05-06-2016 11:32 AM)TopCoog2016 Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 11:23 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 09:32 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 09:26 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 09:22 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  That would be a no go for the AAC. However, the good news for you guys is you don't need the AAC to accomplish your desired goal. The Sunbelt and CUSA have a total of 24 teams in an overlapping footprint. No reason why the two conferences, who now both make about the same money, can't get together and negotiate a planned reorganization that creates the more geographically coherent tight travel friendly footprints you desire.

Good point but why do you care, Houston should and I think will be in the Big 12. Anyways although we may make the same money, C-USA views the Sun Belt like the AAC views C-USA

I view the Funbelt over CUSA.
That's actually becoming a fairly common perception nowadays...

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not one person in 10,000 sits around and ponders who has the strongest conference.
Pick a G5 board. I'm sure there is over 20 topics or mentions in topics about it within the last year

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Re: IF the B12 raided the AAC, what does the AAC do next?
Sunbelt has some really good regional univs, stadiums, recruiting well, solid fanbases. Like top of the line d1-aa

Cusa is just a clusterfrick of awful unseen terrible bottom barrell D1 football, a program that got killed and plays in a dump. Id take Troy or South Bama over UAB any day. Been to all three. App over charlotte every day. Been to both campuses. I could go on..

Southern Miss and LaTech need to get the frick out while they can
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RE: IF the B12 raided the AAC, what does the AAC do next?
(05-06-2016 12:36 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Sunbelt has some really good regional univs, stadiums, recruiting well, solid fanbases. Like top of the line d1-aa

Cusa is just a clusterfrick of awful unseen terrible bottom barrell D1 football, a program that got killed and plays in a dump. Id take Troy or South Bama over UAB any day. Been to all three. App over charlotte every day. Been to both campuses. I could go on..

Southern Miss and LaTech need to get the frick out while they can

A Memphis fan has no room to talk about facilities or campuses. Stadium is a dump
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RE: IF the B12 raided the AAC, what does the AAC do next?
(05-06-2016 12:12 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 11:32 AM)TopCoog2016 Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 11:23 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 09:32 AM)shere khan Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 09:26 AM)cmett003 Wrote:  Good point but why do you care, Houston should and I think will be in the Big 12. Anyways although we may make the same money, C-USA views the Sun Belt like the AAC views C-USA

I view the Funbelt over CUSA.
That's actually becoming a fairly common perception nowadays...

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Pick a G5 board. I'm sure there is over 20 topics or mentions in topics about it within the last year

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yeah but there are 320 million people in america. Why does it matter whether CUSA or the sun belt is the strongest? who cares?
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RE: IF the B12 raided the AAC, what does the AAC do next?
(05-06-2016 12:52 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 12:36 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Sunbelt has some really good regional univs, stadiums, recruiting well, solid fanbases. Like top of the line d1-aa

Cusa is just a clusterfrick of awful unseen terrible bottom barrell D1 football, a program that got killed and plays in a dump. Id take Troy or South Bama over UAB any day. Been to all three. App over charlotte every day. Been to both campuses. I could go on..

Southern Miss and LaTech need to get the frick out while they can

A Memphis fan has no room to talk about facilities or campuses. Stadium is a dump
I am a USF fan and I know that isn't true.... apparently you haven't seen it since they did the upgrades. Its a million times better. Not exactly Taj Mahal but its pretty good now.
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(05-06-2016 12:52 PM)TopCoog2016 Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 12:12 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 11:32 AM)TopCoog2016 Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 11:23 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 09:32 AM)shere khan Wrote:  I view the Funbelt over CUSA.
That's actually becoming a fairly common perception nowadays...

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Pick a G5 board. I'm sure there is over 20 topics or mentions in topics about it within the last year

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yeah but there are 320 million people in america. Why does it matter whether CUSA or the sun belt is the strongest? who cares?
And THAT is the big question nobody has answers to...

Basically everyone in the "room" wants to "have the biggest ... you know"

Metaphorically of course

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(05-06-2016 12:52 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 12:36 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Sunbelt has some really good regional univs, stadiums, recruiting well, solid fanbases. Like top of the line d1-aa

Cusa is just a clusterfrick of awful unseen terrible bottom barrell D1 football, a program that got killed and plays in a dump. Id take Troy or South Bama over UAB any day. Been to all three. App over charlotte every day. Been to both campuses. I could go on..

Southern Miss and LaTech need to get the frick out while they can

A Memphis fan has no room to talk about facilities or campuses. Stadium is a dump

Youve obviously been to neither
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(05-06-2016 09:20 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I'm not saying anything about the whole "western wing" strategy. I think we've long since seen there really isn't the money out there to make that worth it. Also the 3 I mentioned would almost assuredly be FB only like Navy. I don't think BYU is reasonable but I mentioned them just for the hell of it. I don't care how bad Army is in football, they could never win a game for all I care, but having the entire value of the Army-Navy game for the league alone makes the league money. CBS currently pays 5 million a year for that game alone and there's talk CBS will probably be willing to pay double that to keep it when that deal expires in 2018. That one game alone will be worth half of our entire current TV deal. If you could get Army and Air Force to join and have control of all the commander in cheif's games that would be huge.


Army, Navy and CBS will NEVER give your Conference the rights to that game and you know it, even if Army joins the AAC(which will never happen). That will always be a standalone game07-coffee3
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(05-06-2016 01:05 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 12:52 PM)TopCoog2016 Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 12:12 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 11:32 AM)TopCoog2016 Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 11:23 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  That's actually becoming a fairly common perception nowadays...

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Pick a G5 board. I'm sure there is over 20 topics or mentions in topics about it within the last year

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yeah but there are 320 million people in america. Why does it matter whether CUSA or the sun belt is the strongest? who cares?
And THAT is the big question nobody has answers to...

Basically everyone in the "room" wants to "have the biggest ... you know"

Metaphorically of course

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true but there are not very many people in the room
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(05-06-2016 01:34 PM)lance99 Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 09:20 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  I'm not saying anything about the whole "western wing" strategy. I think we've long since seen there really isn't the money out there to make that worth it. Also the 3 I mentioned would almost assuredly be FB only like Navy. I don't think BYU is reasonable but I mentioned them just for the hell of it. I don't care how bad Army is in football, they could never win a game for all I care, but having the entire value of the Army-Navy game for the league alone makes the league money. CBS currently pays 5 million a year for that game alone and there's talk CBS will probably be willing to pay double that to keep it when that deal expires in 2018. That one game alone will be worth half of our entire current TV deal. If you could get Army and Air Force to join and have control of all the commander in cheif's games that would be huge.


Army, Navy and CBS will NEVER give your Conference the rights to that game and you know it, even if Army joins the AAC(which will never happen). That will always be a standalone game07-coffee3

Lol, thus spoketh the Akron Zip...
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(05-06-2016 07:11 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  
(05-05-2016 07:08 PM)Jayesseagle Wrote:  
(05-05-2016 01:18 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  Place your bets!

What’s the over under on how many posts before the USM fans are here telling us why they deserve to be in the AAC, telling us about their rich athletic history, and how with just a few AAC bucks their facilities and academics will be on par with the rest of the AAC.

You mean kinda the same as Tulane telling us about their academics and market ???

You can say that, however the difference is that Tulane is already in the conference and their fans are simply boasting about their achievements, USM fans are shamelessly pimping their program and begging for a lifeline.

Yea, you are right...Tulane got in because of New Orleans market...and Temple is in because their market...congrats on that. That's about the only reasons...to bad either of you don't strengthen the conference on the football field..but hey, what's athletics got to do with the strength of a football oriented conference, right ?? That's was proven when Tulane got invited.
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(05-06-2016 02:37 PM)Jayesseagle Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 07:11 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  
(05-05-2016 07:08 PM)Jayesseagle Wrote:  
(05-05-2016 01:18 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  Place your bets!

What’s the over under on how many posts before the USM fans are here telling us why they deserve to be in the AAC, telling us about their rich athletic history, and how with just a few AAC bucks their facilities and academics will be on par with the rest of the AAC.

You mean kinda the same as Tulane telling us about their academics and market ???

You can say that, however the difference is that Tulane is already in the conference and their fans are simply boasting about their achievements, USM fans are shamelessly pimping their program and begging for a lifeline.

Yea, you are right...Tulane got in because of New Orleans market...and Temple is in because their market...congrats on that. That's about the only reasons...to bad either of you don't strengthen the conference on the football field..but hey, what's athletics got to do with the strength of a football oriented conference, right ?? That's was proven when Tulane got invited.

How’s all that success on the field working out for the latest CUSA TV deal? At the end of the day your right, it’s all about the markets and money.
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(05-06-2016 02:37 PM)Jayesseagle Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 07:11 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  
(05-05-2016 07:08 PM)Jayesseagle Wrote:  
(05-05-2016 01:18 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  Place your bets!

What’s the over under on how many posts before the USM fans are here telling us why they deserve to be in the AAC, telling us about their rich athletic history, and how with just a few AAC bucks their facilities and academics will be on par with the rest of the AAC.

You mean kinda the same as Tulane telling us about their academics and market ???

You can say that, however the difference is that Tulane is already in the conference and their fans are simply boasting about their achievements, USM fans are shamelessly pimping their program and begging for a lifeline.

Yea, you are right...Tulane got in because of New Orleans market...and Temple is in because their market...congrats on that. That's about the only reasons...to bad either of you don't strengthen the conference on the football field..but hey, what's athletics got to do with the strength of a football oriented conference, right ?? That's was proven when Tulane got invited.
Temple seemed to do just fine on the field last year

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(05-06-2016 04:03 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  
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(05-06-2016 07:11 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  
(05-05-2016 07:08 PM)Jayesseagle Wrote:  
(05-05-2016 01:18 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  Place your bets!

What’s the over under on how many posts before the USM fans are here telling us why they deserve to be in the AAC, telling us about their rich athletic history, and how with just a few AAC bucks their facilities and academics will be on par with the rest of the AAC.

You mean kinda the same as Tulane telling us about their academics and market ???

You can say that, however the difference is that Tulane is already in the conference and their fans are simply boasting about their achievements, USM fans are shamelessly pimping their program and begging for a lifeline.

Yea, you are right...Tulane got in because of New Orleans market...and Temple is in because their market...congrats on that. That's about the only reasons...to bad either of you don't strengthen the conference on the football field..but hey, what's athletics got to do with the strength of a football oriented conference, right ?? That's was proven when Tulane got invited.
Temple seemed to do just fine on the field last year

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Ya I guess temple beating penn state and having a 10 win season is not a strong football season.
05-06-2016 04:14 PM
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IF the B12 raided the AAC, what does the AAC do next?
Temple did ok last year, not knocking that at all.
05-06-2016 04:35 PM
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