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https://latech.n.rivals.com/news/jones-c...o-wichita-

Very interesting article.

(05-04-2016 03:55 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  https://latech.n.rivals.com/news/jones-c...o-wichita-

Very interesting article.

Intriguing idea. I would love to have WS basketball in CUSA. I know they have plans for football, but I'm not sure how far along they are. I think CUSA would require a football start-up plan to be in place before they would issue them an invite.

I mean hell why not, if ODU goes to the AAC great. But if not we have to get the C-USA product better. Witchita state would greatly help C-USA basketball

the article scared me with the George Mason talk

(05-04-2016 04:04 PM)paintedblue2 Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 03:55 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  https://latech.n.rivals.com/news/jones-c...o-wichita-

Very interesting article.

Intriguing idea. I would love to have WS basketball in CUSA. I know they have plans for football, but I'm not sure how far along they are. I think CUSA would require a football start-up plan to be in place before they would issue them an invite.

The little I've read up on the shockers restarting football, is that everyone expects them to have an amazing stadium given that the Koch Brothers are big backers of their programs.

Here is an article that says WS is trying to get into the Mountain West.

http://www.midmajormadness.com/missouri-...ce=twitter

(05-04-2016 05:33 PM)paintedblue2 Wrote:  Here is an article that says WS is trying to get into the Mountain West.

http://www.midmajormadness.com/missouri-...ce=twitter http://www.midmajormadness.com/missouri-...ce=twitter

Most of the talks about these guys have been them jumping right to P5, which was crazy to me. The G5 references have been for the AAC. Dig around on some message boards and you'll find all sorts of crazy stuff.

Could you imagine an ODU/WSU basketball rivalry?

Sure, WSU would be great for CUSA, but would CUSA be great for WSU? I would imagine they have their eyes set on a higher prize.

(05-05-2016 07:46 AM)odu09 Wrote:  Sure, WSU would be great for CUSA, but would CUSA be great for WSU? I would imagine they have their eyes set on a higher prize.

Maybe. But football drives the conference ship, so we'll see where they are with that.

(05-05-2016 07:46 AM)odu09 Wrote:  Sure, WSU would be great for CUSA, but would CUSA be great for WSU? I would imagine they have their eyes set on a higher prize.

It might be the best they can get. I could see the AAC and MWC being a bit hesitant about taking a literally brand new team out in the middle of Kansas. If they can hang on to Gregg Marshall they're really attractive, but they're one bad coach hire to going back to relative obscurity unfortunately.

MW wouldn't turn down a multiple Sweet 16/Final Four squad like them. They'd bring revenue to any G5 league they join just on the hoops side.

The problem I have with this theory is that Gregg Marshall wouldn't allow it. They would go from a league where more than 50% of teams play in front of a full house to let's just say something south of that. And he'd be out the door on the next P5 offer. Not going to happen until WSU decides that they are tired of paying him over $3m per year.

(05-05-2016 07:56 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 07:46 AM)odu09 Wrote:  Sure, WSU would be great for CUSA, but would CUSA be great for WSU? I would imagine they have their eyes set on a higher prize.

Maybe. But football drives the conference ship, so we'll see where they are with that.

For now. Look, I am a football guy, but I am also a realist.
While the NFL and major college football are as popular as ever and money driven, high school football, with respect to player participation, is declining in most of the country; with the exceptions of Alabama, Louisiana, Oklahoma, and Texas(2015 numbers).

Liability costs (insurance, litigation) and lack of participation have forced individual high schools, HS districts, and associations to drop football altogether.
Even here in Va, some associations have gone to flag football.
Virginia Beach has at least given lip service to looking at dropping HS football.

Some crusading legislator, like a Cox, could propose legislation completely removing public funds from college football programs at state institutions.

While all of the above might have seemed laughable speculation just a few years ago, the climate revolving around traumatic brain injury has placed greater scrutiny on football as a whole, including other debilitating injuries and deaths.

Football cannot exist w/o high school and associations feeding the beast.

Conferences, especially those outside of the P5, are not blind to this, and are likely to begin to look at the long term and prepare for life without football (at least as we know it now) "driving the bus".

(05-05-2016 07:57 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 07:46 AM)odu09 Wrote:  Sure, WSU would be great for CUSA, but would CUSA be great for WSU? I would imagine they have their eyes set on a higher prize.

It might be the best they can get. I could see the AAC and MWC being a bit hesitant about taking a literally brand new team out in the middle of Kansas. If they can hang on to Gregg Marshall they're really attractive, but they're one bad coach hire to going back to relative obscurity unfortunately.

I think WSU is in good shape even if Gregg Marshall leaves. They have a ton of money (their budget would be good for a P5 team), a ton of fan interest, and have been good long enough that they will have their pick of coaches to take the job.

(05-05-2016 02:50 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 07:57 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 07:46 AM)odu09 Wrote:  Sure, WSU would be great for CUSA, but would CUSA be great for WSU? I would imagine they have their eyes set on a higher prize.

It might be the best they can get. I could see the AAC and MWC being a bit hesitant about taking a literally brand new team out in the middle of Kansas. If they can hang on to Gregg Marshall they're really attractive, but they're one bad coach hire to going back to relative obscurity unfortunately.

I think WSU is in good shape even if Gregg Marshall leaves. They have a ton of money (their budget would be good for a P5 team), a ton of fan interest, and have been good long enough that they will have their pick of coaches to take the job.

According to the linked article WSU's athletic budget was only $18M as of 2015.



http://www.midmajormadness.com/missouri-...ce=twitter

WSU is a great program, but lets be real too. Outside of the past 10 years I'd put ODUs history up against theirs. They caught lightning in a bottle about the same time GMU did. But ASU was able to capitalize upon it in a similar way VCU did. I look at those two teams about the same way. Good teams, but peer teams, even though 2 out of three times they would beat us currently. I'd be happy to bring them into CUSA, and they would help our basketball somewhat, but its not like they're UConn or even Memphis.

Monarx,

I disagree with that. WSU has a long history of doing it bigger than ODU. When we were in Scope and they were in their building, ODU put out NBA players in West, Gattison, and Gatling which all played for long careers, but their guys, Cliff Levingston, Austin Carr, and Xavier McDaniel were NBA All Stars (I think Gatling got there once for us).

But that's not really the difference maker. WSU got to a #1 ranking in the 60s and reached the Final Four. They also hit the Elite 8 line in the 80s. Of course, we know what they did in the 2000s losing to Mason in the Elite 8 again and hitting multiple top 10 rankings over the past few years with a return to # 2 in the nation. Of course I know you acknowledged that they are better than us in the past 10 years, but I just want to make the distinction between them and ODU/VCU/Mason. We've gotten one Top 25th ranking in our history at the D-1 level and have never gotten past the round of 32. WSU's history smokes ODU's whether you look at 10 years, 30 years, or 40 years.

When it comes to basketball, I'd argue that they have done it as bigger than Gonzaga in several areas.