(05-05-2016 04:59 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 04:30 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 04:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 04:21 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I wonder if this would cause Marshall to reach out to the MAC to see if they would be interested in adding them back?

Does Marshall want to play on Tuesdays and Wednesdays?

Good point. BUT, if they could get mostly Saturday games, going back to the MAC to play Ohio schools is way better than this current CUSA. Wow, pretty soon CUSA will be going the way of the WAC.
Cheers!

With Marshall, what's done is done at this point with their move to CUSA.

I don't even think the MAC would want Marshall back at this point.

The school the MAC should have on its A list is Temple. The AAC could be in trouble if there is a shakeup in the B12 w/ Texas leaving among other schools and several current AAC schools getting the call. Temple may be the odd man out and stuck in a conference without a TV deal.

When it comes to a G5, the MAC is about as good as it gets with TV deal, low travel costs and academic profile.

If the AAC is in trouble, they'll have no problems pulling the best teams from CUSA or the MAC. Temple is not going to leave unless an absolutely disastrous situation occurred. That would be Big XII expands, taking Cinci and Memphis. MWC decides to get aggressive and extend offers to Houston and SMU to get into Texas, leaving the AAC in not much of a better state than CUSA.

Still then, AAC would easily be able to pull USM and Marshall away because you know they don't want to be with all the new FBS programs. Even if all that went down, I still think Temple would stay put.

(05-05-2016 12:16 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 12:10 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  James Madison and Delaware get better tv draw than Charlotte and North Texas.

Can you support that opinion with actual ratings?

2007 Delaware went to the FCS championship game against Appalachian State. They lost. What was unusual that year? Appalachian State beat Michigan the first game of the season, and bookended it with Delaware. A lot of people talked about the colors of Delaware's helmets. Same colors and design as Michigan's. Joe Flacco was the starting QB for Delaware.

When James Madison upset Virginia Tech. I think ESPN cut away to show the last of the 4th quarter of the game. It was something like they did last year when Jacksonville State took Auburn into overtime.

(05-05-2016 04:30 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 04:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 04:21 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I wonder if this would cause Marshall to reach out to the MAC to see if they would be interested in adding them back?

Does Marshall want to play on Tuesdays and Wednesdays?

Good point. BUT, if they could get mostly Saturday games, going back to the MAC to play Ohio schools is way better than this current CUSA. Wow, pretty soon CUSA will be going the way of the WAC.
Cheers!

Marshall generates pretty good attendance. Most of the MAC has relatively weak attendance so T/W don't hurt revenue as much as they would for Marshall.

(05-05-2016 06:49 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 04:30 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 04:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 04:21 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I wonder if this would cause Marshall to reach out to the MAC to see if they would be interested in adding them back?

Does Marshall want to play on Tuesdays and Wednesdays?

Good point. BUT, if they could get mostly Saturday games, going back to the MAC to play Ohio schools is way better than this current CUSA. Wow, pretty soon CUSA will be going the way of the WAC.
Cheers!

Marshall generates pretty good attendance. Most of the MAC has relatively weak attendance so T/W don't hurt revenue as much as they would for Marshall.

Especially in November. It's mostly a Great Lakes conference (except for OhioU and MiamiU), and it's a lot easier to get casual fans out on Saturday afternoons on the typical September Saturday than the typical November Saturday.

Even though we can point to the MAC possibly ending up with five times the direct media contract, and splitting that and the CFP money fewer ways, when you look at the actual money per school, Marshall is better off in the CUSA East, which is a very good institutional and geographic fit for Marshall. And they have not had any particular trouble scheduling OOC games against the MAC East schools that they want to play.

(05-05-2016 05:26 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 12:16 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 12:10 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  James Madison and Delaware get better tv draw than Charlotte and North Texas.

Can you support that opinion with actual ratings?

2007 Delaware went to the FCS championship game against Appalachian State. They lost. What was unusual that year? Appalachian State beat Michigan the first game of the season, and bookended it with Delaware. A lot of people talked about the colors of Delaware's helmets. Same colors and design as Michigan's. Joe Flacco was the starting QB for Delaware.

When James Madison upset Virginia Tech. I think ESPN cut away to show the last of the 4th quarter of the game. It was something like they did last year when Jacksonville State took Auburn into overtime.

To paraphrase: I have no numbers so I'll ramble about some obscure FCS game that no one saw or cared about.

Could the Sun Belt grab Old Dominion and Charlotte?

SBC West - Texas State, Arkansas State, Louisiana, ULM, USA, Troy
SBC East - Georgia Southern, Georgia State, Coastal Carolina, App State, Charlotte, Old Dominion


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(05-05-2016 09:25 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Ouch! That sucks.

True, but really, who was going to watch?

(05-05-2016 02:03 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  the Sunbelt would be better off staying with 10 teams, playing fewer conference games (7 just like the Big 12 should do) having a CCG if they want one and then with 5 OOC games they can still play a FULL money game (SEC, ACC, Big 12, Big 10) perhaps a "small money game" and then still try and have 6 home games with a buy on D1-AA game

D1-AA teams are available with the Big 10 and the like playing less to none of those games in the future and perhaps the "small money game" could be a home and home with a MWC or AAC team

it is back to the point where Sunbelt and CUSA teams can male more money with a pay day game and with a decent home schedule that sells tickets Vs TV

hell they will make possibly 10X their TV money with a single payday game at this point

(05-05-2016 11:44 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Actually for UNT, if was a really good move. They get into a conference with quite a few western and Texas schools they didn't have in the Sunbelt.

unfortunately being in a conference with a lot of teams that all offer basically the same thing does not work out well for those teams or those conferences especially when a number of those programs all fall into decline and recruits just choose to avoid all of them and or the whole conference

this is why "tight geographic conferences" generally never work because programs end up in the same division and beat each other down and you either get programs that get on top and stay on top at the expense of others or you get to where all those programs wear each other down and recruits simply abandon those teams and eventually the conference in general

The B12 plays 12 conference games.

(05-06-2016 10:22 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Could the Sun Belt grab Old Dominion and Charlotte?

SBC West - Texas State, Arkansas State, Louisiana, ULM, USA, Troy
SBC East - Georgia Southern, Georgia State, Coastal Carolina, App State, Charlotte, Old Dominion


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What advantage would we get from that move? We'd still be traveling to TX and LA

(05-05-2016 04:59 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 04:30 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 04:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 04:21 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I wonder if this would cause Marshall to reach out to the MAC to see if they would be interested in adding them back?

Does Marshall want to play on Tuesdays and Wednesdays?

Good point. BUT, if they could get mostly Saturday games, going back to the MAC to play Ohio schools is way better than this current CUSA. Wow, pretty soon CUSA will be going the way of the WAC.
Cheers!

With Marshall, what's done is done at this point with their move to CUSA.

I don't even think the MAC would want Marshall back at this point.

The school the MAC should have on its A list is Temple. The AAC could be in trouble if there is a shakeup in the B12 w/ Texas leaving among other schools and several current AAC schools getting the call. Temple may be the odd man out and stuck in a conference without a TV deal.

When it comes to a G5, the MAC is about as good as it gets with TV deal, low travel costs and academic profile.

Honestly, if the AAC were to come apart, Temple would be far better served discontinuing FB and going back to the A10...

This interview with ODU AD Wood Selig gives insight into the CUSA contract (@ 4 min mark). It looks as if the contract was reduced from $14M to around $6M after the defections to the AAC. The former members made "penalty payments" to make current members whole at @ $1M per school. The contract reflecting current value on the open market has yet to be finalized.

(05-09-2016 04:57 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  This interview with ODU AD Wood Selig gives insight into the CUSA contract (@ 4 min mark). It looks as if the contract was reduced from $14M to around $6M after the defections to the AAC. The former members made "penalty payments" to make current members whole at @ $1M per school. The contract reflecting current value on the open market has yet to be finalized.

There is a Pilot article to that effect.

Very interesting that it never leaked that the rights were cut.

(05-09-2016 05:08 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 04:57 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  This interview with ODU AD Wood Selig gives insight into the CUSA contract (@ 4 min mark). It looks as if the contract was reduced from $14M to around $6M after the defections to the AAC. The former members made "penalty payments" to make current members whole at @ $1M per school. The contract reflecting current value on the open market has yet to be finalized.

There is a Pilot article to that effect.

Very interesting that it never leaked that the rights were cut.

For a couple of years before the MAC signed its new TV deal I thought CUSA still had a chance of raiding the MAC for the right combo but that window must have closed around 2012.

(05-07-2016 10:54 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 04:59 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 04:30 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 04:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 04:21 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I wonder if this would cause Marshall to reach out to the MAC to see if they would be interested in adding them back?

Does Marshall want to play on Tuesdays and Wednesdays?

Good point. BUT, if they could get mostly Saturday games, going back to the MAC to play Ohio schools is way better than this current CUSA. Wow, pretty soon CUSA will be going the way of the WAC.
Cheers!

With Marshall, what's done is done at this point with their move to CUSA.

I don't even think the MAC would want Marshall back at this point.

The school the MAC should have on its A list is Temple. The AAC could be in trouble if there is a shakeup in the B12 w/ Texas leaving among other schools and several current AAC schools getting the call. Temple may be the odd man out and stuck in a conference without a TV deal.

When it comes to a G5, the MAC is about as good as it gets with TV deal, low travel costs and academic profile.

Honestly, if the AAC were to come apart, Temple would be far better served discontinuing FB and going back to the A10...

We are a scrappy little school, and we do have some accomplishments. In our history, we have survived worse. We should be able to find a place to play among the rest of the G5.

(05-05-2016 05:09 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 04:59 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 04:30 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 04:24 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 04:21 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  I wonder if this would cause Marshall to reach out to the MAC to see if they would be interested in adding them back?

Does Marshall want to play on Tuesdays and Wednesdays?

Good point. BUT, if they could get mostly Saturday games, going back to the MAC to play Ohio schools is way better than this current CUSA. Wow, pretty soon CUSA will be going the way of the WAC.
Cheers!

With Marshall, what's done is done at this point with their move to CUSA.

I don't even think the MAC would want Marshall back at this point.

The school the MAC should have on its A list is Temple. The AAC could be in trouble if there is a shakeup in the B12 w/ Texas leaving among other schools and several current AAC schools getting the call. Temple may be the odd man out and stuck in a conference without a TV deal.

When it comes to a G5, the MAC is about as good as it gets with TV deal, low travel costs and academic profile.

If the AAC is in trouble, they'll have no problems pulling the best teams from CUSA or the MAC. Temple is not going to leave unless an absolutely disastrous situation occurred. That would be Big XII expands, taking Cinci and Memphis. MWC decides to get aggressive and extend offers to Houston and SMU to get into Texas, leaving the AAC in not much of a better state than CUSA.

Still then, AAC would easily be able to pull USM and Marshall away because you know they don't want to be with all the new FBS programs. Even if all that went down, I still think Temple would stay put.

The scenario that most people are envisioning is for something like BYU/UC to the B12 that would give the AAC one opening to fill. With a TV contract still of value they could attract any MAC school they want.

The scenario that could actually be happening is an exodus from the B12 to different conferences COMBINED with a push back to 12. In this case the remaining AAC schools would have a difficult time poaching the MAC.

Throw out a scenario.....

PAC (Oklahoma, TCU)
ACC (Texas)
AAC (Houston, Tulane, Cincinnati, Memphis, UConn)
MWC (SMU, Tulsa)

I guess with the TV value of CUSA being so low the remaining schools could rebuild with CUSA East......

UMass
Temple
Marshall
Old Dominion
East Carolina
Charlotte
Georgia State
UCF
USF

I'm sure they could get a better deal than CUSA 3.0 but the MAC probably not.

(05-09-2016 05:08 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 04:57 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  This interview with ODU AD Wood Selig gives insight into the CUSA contract (@ 4 min mark). It looks as if the contract was reduced from $14M to around $6M after the defections to the AAC. The former members made "penalty payments" to make current members whole at @ $1M per school. The contract reflecting current value on the open market has yet to be finalized.

There is a Pilot article to that effect.

Very interesting that it never leaked that the rights were cut.

The Virginian-Pilot article I saw predicted new tv revenue at $6M...which may come to pass. This is the first confirmation that I've seen (heard) that the total CUSA contract was reduced to that amount after realignment. 2013 tax returns show $10mil in tv, licensing or whatever they call it. To get to $6M, another $4M must have been cut after the second wave of defections. IMO, any gains or losses for the next contract should be compared to the $6M figure, not $14M.

I agree that the reduction was a well guarded secret.

C-USA at under 150k per school.
I think the Sun Belt is 83k per school.
What does the MVFC get with their deal?
They play a lot of games on ESPN3 plus NDSU has gotten a showcase game last year and next.

FCS sucks but NDSU has been better off than any of the bottom three G5 conference teams. Their is only one NDSU and that won't last forever.

(05-09-2016 06:55 PM)MJG Wrote:  C-USA at under 150k per school.
I think the Sun Belt is 83k per school.
What does the MVFC get with their deal?
They play a lot of games on ESPN3 plus NDSU has gotten a showcase game last year and next.

FCS sucks but NDSU has been better off than any of the bottom three G5 conference teams. Their is only one NDSU and that won't last forever.

The MVFC I don't think earns money. MVC I don't know.

I believe the A10 and CAA both make about 400k per school in basketball. Them East Coast markets are valuable.

(05-09-2016 07:41 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 06:55 PM)MJG Wrote:  C-USA at under 150k per school.
I think the Sun Belt is 83k per school.
What does the MVFC get with their deal?
They play a lot of games on ESPN3 plus NDSU has gotten a showcase game last year and next.

FCS sucks but NDSU has been better off than any of the bottom three G5 conference teams. Their is only one NDSU and that won't last forever.

The MVFC I don't think earns money. MVC I don't know.

I believe the A10 and CAA both make about 400k per school in basketball. Them East Coast markets are valuable.

MVFC has a lot of ESPN3 games even if free its only 83k behind the Sun Belt.
The FCS kickoff showcase game is more exposure than any Sun Belt school got last year.
That game and NDSU hosting game day and sports center is pretty good exposure.
More than any FCS school in history and more than the average G5.