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RE: Texas pressure is holding up Big 12 expansion
(05-06-2016 06:12 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 02:08 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  ESPN needs to pull the plug on the LHN. It is a big failure, and Texas refuse to see it as that. When a Network failed? They rename it or pulled the plug. Take a look at Spike TV? Spike was originally TNN. The Nashville Network
That channel showed country music videos, The Grand Old Opry, Hee Haw, Crook and Chase, ASA racing, ARCA events, PBR pro bull riding events and many other things. That channel did not failed. Viacom bought it, and decided to change the format with a new name, and the second named failed because they dropped a lot of programs that made TNN unique and different. Then, Spike came along, and been successful in some things. To keep the LHN to survive, and for that matter, PAC 12, Big 10, ACC and SEC is to expand with schools in all over the country. That means to move many schools around from the P5.


My understanding is that ESPN would still owe all of that money to Texas even if it "pulled the plug".

If so, what is the incentive to do that?

David, G5 schools are not what the networks want to pay for.

They want to pay for the big national brands and for matchups between those brands.

The other P5 schools are just lucky enough to be along for the ride.

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RE: Texas pressure is holding up Big 12 expansion
Yep, seems like Texas would still get paid.

Texas has nothing to gain from Big 12 expansion. That is why they will kill it via the LHN.

I was surprised by the lack of penalties in the termination.

(05-06-2016 06:12 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(05-06-2016 02:08 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  ESPN needs to pull the plug on the LHN. It is a big failure, and Texas refuse to see it as that. When a Network failed? They rename it or pulled the plug. Take a look at Spike TV? Spike was originally TNN. The Nashville Network
That channel showed country music videos, The Grand Old Opry, Hee Haw, Crook and Chase, ASA racing, ARCA events, PBR pro bull riding events and many other things. That channel did not failed. Viacom bought it, and decided to change the format with a new name, and the second named failed because they dropped a lot of programs that made TNN unique and different. Then, Spike came along, and been successful in some things. To keep the LHN to survive, and for that matter, PAC 12, Big 10, ACC and SEC is to expand with schools in all over the country. That means to move many schools around from the P5.


My understanding is that ESPN would still owe all of that money to Texas even if it "pulled the plug".

If so, what is the incentive to do that?

David, G5 schools are not what the networks want to pay for.

They want to pay for the big national brands and for matchups between those brands.

The other P5 schools are just lucky enough to be along for the ride.
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RE: Texas pressure is holding up Big 12 expansion
(05-05-2016 02:33 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  
(05-05-2016 01:29 PM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  
(05-05-2016 10:02 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I'm sure ESPN would love for texas to go solo to the ACC with ND football joining, than convert the LHN into the ACC network. I guess they could shift 2 acc school's into the SEC and that would open up 2 more spots in the ACC for maybe baylor/tcu and WVU. The other option is to send texas to the pac 12 with 3 texas partners and take a piece of the pac 12 network. In that case, give the big 10 OU and KU so fox is somewhat happy.

In a "Power 5 perfect world"...it would all be this neat and tidy.

The ACC gets ND and Texas. (ESPN)
The Big Ten gets OU and Kansas. (FOX)
The SEC gets OkStorBaylor and WVU. (ESPN)

AAC merges with other 5 (or 7) Big 12 teams and BYU.

But it's never this tidy.

OU and Kansas --> SEC

to the B1G?? USC-UCLA-Stanford-Cal

Remaining Big XII and PAC 12 merge, adding BYU and a few more

That would certainly flip things on its ear.
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(05-04-2016 03:46 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Interesting part was that they are pressuring TTU and TCU to fall in line and vote with them.

TTU's vote is easy. Tech is absolutely dependent on UT taking them with them if the B12 folds and in return they basically agree to vote whatever way UT tells them on any and all issues. Basically your standard Remora/Shark relationship.

TCU might be a little harder to get. On the one hand, they do have Deloss Dodds liquor to thank for P5 membership so the case can be made they owe UT. But on the other hand, TCU needs stability for the B12 and cant afford for the conference to break up since it's unlikely any of the other Power conferences bring them in even with UT support.

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RE: Texas pressure is holding up Big 12 expansion
(05-05-2016 01:46 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  and again just ike in the past here is the part where you become upset that I will not bow down to your legal expertise because you had a 3 hour undergrad media rights class and you start trying to claim that I said the GOR was "not breakable"

this is ofi course something that I have never claimed this is you clutching at straws and trying to re-frame the discussion so that you can get into a position to attempt to claim some type of "web victory"


Jesus shut the hell up. My goodness I get headache every time I see the block of text under your name. Since you like to call out resumes, I have a degree in Mass media. For the uninformed (you), that is the "business" of television. Not a three hour class, like you repeat as though that means anything. I actually spent time studying said business for years. Then I followed it up with an MBA in the same field, followed by and concurrent with working for a major sports network and a professional sports team. An expert it does not make me, but it means I have at least basis of knowledge for what I am talking about. Meaning, unlike the other person in the conversation, I am not talking out of my ass. Staying at a Holiday Inn Express for an evening makes one more qualified than you to speak on the subject, as evidence by your posts, yet you speak as though you know what you are talking about. You don't, and you prove it with every post.

For example, here your entire argument is literally that lawyers drew up the agreement, and agreed upon it, therefore it will work perfectly as intended. Sigh! This may be the single dumbest line of logic ever placed on these boards. And that is saying something. That "logic" would literally be laughed out of court if anyone ever tried to present it as an argument. Even worse you are so proud of the logic, you literally think just because you said it is true. Even worse than using this logic, is not even realizing that the logic you repeated, that they agreed upon it therefore they believe it is fullproof, completely ignores the fact that it may not have EVER been intended to be fullproof, hence several members looking around at other conferences (therefore intending to break it) less than a year later. It is quite plausible that one reason it was signed, was specifically BECAUSE of how easily it could be circumvented, which is a tactic attorneys use quite often. I don't even care to discuss it further, because this isn't even logic: this is just yelling as loud as you can, for no reason, and expecting someone to take your novels seriously.
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You can write a book to response - and I know you will - which no one will read or respond to, and likely will be full more more gibberish and logic holes, but one this is very clear. You have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

We may never know how this would play out specifically, but these agreements (grants of rights) are not new, and are primarily used in the music industry. It is no secret to anyone how they play out, except for some people here. But since teams don't voluntarily sign such an agreement, only to try and get out a few years later, these specific ones will never see the light of day of a court
but make no mistake about it, the idea that because lawyers wrote it and agreed with i, does not in any way affect how enforceable all provisions are. That is just absurd.
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