(05-05-2016 07:19 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 02:44 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:33 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  ( List of things the SEC needs to focus on )

1, Expansion. Getting to 16 needs to happen soon. It would actually bring greater balance to the schedule than 14 does.

2, Basketball. The SEC needs to push for the NCAA to move basketball season to the middle of December or the first January.

3, Bowl games. The SEC needs to add a PAC 12 bowl game.

4, SEC network shows. A PTI style show. That focuses on the SEC and other college topics.

I tend to think Oklahoma will eventually end up in the SEC....as for #16? not sure. maybe Kansas??

Don't know if it is true, but Andy Staples was saying today that OU & OSU would be taken as a pair by the SEC. I have heard that from a personal source, and also from another reporter back the first of the year. But with this stuff you never know until the ink is dry and the presser is held.

that would be very generous by the SEC....Oklahoma is a great catch....but Oklahoma State??

(05-06-2016 12:49 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 10:09 AM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 07:19 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 02:44 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:33 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  ( List of things the SEC needs to focus on )

1, Expansion. Getting to 16 needs to happen soon. It would actually bring greater balance to the schedule than 14 does.

2, Basketball. The SEC needs to push for the NCAA to move basketball season to the middle of December or the first January.

3, Bowl games. The SEC needs to add a PAC 12 bowl game.

4, SEC network shows. A PTI style show. That focuses on the SEC and other college topics.

I tend to think Oklahoma will eventually end up in the SEC....as for #16? not sure. maybe Kansas??

Don't know if it is true, but Andy Staples was saying today that OU & OSU would be taken as a pair by the SEC. I have heard that from a personal source, and also from another reporter back the first of the year. But with this stuff you never know until the ink is dry and the presser is held.

With OU, WVU and Baylor leading the Big 12 Expansion Committee and what you have posted above that the SEC would take OU and OSU to get to 16. It is known that WVU and OU are very much pro expansion in the Big 12 and Baylor was the one Texas school left out of the articles when discussing votes that Texas controls. Would the SEC take the OU/OSU combo and their expansion buddies WVU & BU to jump to 18? They would gain 2 new states and double up in Texas. It would add 3 of the top 4 Big 12 athletic programs (financially and on-field success) and a solid WVU.

I don't think that WVU is on the table, if for no other reasons than it doesn't offer a financial advantage and plays to an SEC insecurity.

Baylor is probably a neutral add. There is no harm in it, as well as no gain. But, if you have to take Baylor to bring on board OU then fine.

Personally, I would rather have Baylor than OSU. It does two wonderful things, that is it breaks some of OUs bargaining power and at the same time does everything but guarantee that Texas will never be in the SEC.

If we add OU at #15, I think the SEC will due its due diligence to add the most profitable addition at #16 like what occurred before. I could easily see OU requesting OSU be added if their value is similar to others (WVU, Baylor, Taco Tech, etc.) to help them preserve their rivalries in the nonconference games.

I think we would see a slight push for some protection of rivalries like UF(FSU), USC(UC), OU(OSU), and Mizzou(KU). Other options are a VA or NC team. Not sure if ESPN would be willing to shift some non-major ACC football programs around just before launching a supposed ACCN with extended GOR. But it so, then a couple of ACC schools could be available at 16. If not, grab #16 from the B12.

Personally, I'm fine with OU and OSU as a combo.

It's doubling down in a medium sized market, yes, but the content will be strong and that's probably more important going forward. It also makes for a very nice East/West breakdown that is more sensible than what we are currently doing so that's another plus.

The question for me is this the sort of move that could happen sooner than later or is the GOR ironclad? There's a lot of theories to undergird both perspectives. Just wish I knew for sure.

(05-07-2016 02:48 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Personally, I'm fine with OU and OSU as a combo.

It's doubling down in a medium sized market, yes, but the content will be strong and that's probably more important going forward. It also makes for a very nice East/West breakdown that is more sensible than what we are currently doing so that's another plus.

The question for me is this the sort of move that could happen sooner than later or is the GOR ironclad? There's a lot of theories to undergird both perspectives. Just wish I knew for sure.

I think it will ultimately prove to be a very short term movement.

In time the content will lose its luster as it the cultural issues come to the surface more and more.

I think a move to the SEC would prove, in time, to be catastrophic for OU.

They will end up the next Nebraska.

(05-06-2016 01:30 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 07:19 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 02:44 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:33 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  ( List of things the SEC needs to focus on )

1, Expansion. Getting to 16 needs to happen soon. It would actually bring greater balance to the schedule than 14 does.

2, Basketball. The SEC needs to push for the NCAA to move basketball season to the middle of December or the first January.

3, Bowl games. The SEC needs to add a PAC 12 bowl game.

4, SEC network shows. A PTI style show. That focuses on the SEC and other college topics.

I tend to think Oklahoma will eventually end up in the SEC....as for #16? not sure. maybe Kansas??

Don't know if it is true, but Andy Staples was saying today that OU & OSU would be taken as a pair by the SEC. I have heard that from a personal source, and also from another reporter back the first of the year. But with this stuff you never know until the ink is dry and the presser is held.

that would be very generous by the SEC....Oklahoma is a great catch....but Oklahoma State??

O.S.U. has the 29th best grossing athletic department in the nation. As a tag-a-long they rank 4th in the Big 12 in overall revenue. It's Texas, Oklahoma, Baylor, Oklahoma State, Kansas, and West Virginia is 6th. Baylor is in the 100 million club now (106.1), O.S.U. (95.9), WVU (90.5). To put that into perspective Baylor would rank 12th in a 15 member SEC, West Virginia would rank 13th in a 15 member SEC. Baylor would be about at the conference mean in income. West Virginia would be 16 million below it.

(05-07-2016 05:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-06-2016 01:30 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 07:19 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 02:44 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:33 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  ( List of things the SEC needs to focus on )

1, Expansion. Getting to 16 needs to happen soon. It would actually bring greater balance to the schedule than 14 does.

2, Basketball. The SEC needs to push for the NCAA to move basketball season to the middle of December or the first January.

3, Bowl games. The SEC needs to add a PAC 12 bowl game.

4, SEC network shows. A PTI style show. That focuses on the SEC and other college topics.

I tend to think Oklahoma will eventually end up in the SEC....as for #16? not sure. maybe Kansas??

Don't know if it is true, but Andy Staples was saying today that OU & OSU would be taken as a pair by the SEC. I have heard that from a personal source, and also from another reporter back the first of the year. But with this stuff you never know until the ink is dry and the presser is held.

that would be very generous by the SEC....Oklahoma is a great catch....but Oklahoma State??

O.S.U. has the 29th best grossing athletic department in the nation. As a tag-a-long they rank 4th in the Big 12 in overall revenue. It's Texas, Oklahoma, Baylor, Oklahoma State, Kansas, and West Virginia is 6th. Baylor is in the 100 million club now (106.1), O.S.U. (95.9), WVU (90.5). To put that into perspective Baylor would rank 12th in a 15 member SEC, West Virginia would rank 13th in a 15 member SEC. Baylor would be about at the conference mean in income. West Virginia would be 16 million below it.

Agreed. Oklahoma State is probably the strongest "little brother" out there. Still would love to see OU & UT round out the SEC to 16. That would be some powerful football brands and huge fan bases.

(05-07-2016 03:09 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 02:48 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Personally, I'm fine with OU and OSU as a combo.

It's doubling down in a medium sized market, yes, but the content will be strong and that's probably more important going forward. It also makes for a very nice East/West breakdown that is more sensible than what we are currently doing so that's another plus.

The question for me is this the sort of move that could happen sooner than later or is the GOR ironclad? There's a lot of theories to undergird both perspectives. Just wish I knew for sure.

I think it will ultimately prove to be a very short term movement.

In time the content will lose its luster as it the cultural issues come to the surface more and more.

I think a move to the SEC would prove, in time, to be catastrophic for OU.

They will end up the next Nebraska.

Well since they would end up as the next Nebraska in a move to the Big 10 at least they would a Nebraska much closer to home in the SEC.

(05-07-2016 03:09 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 02:48 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Personally, I'm fine with OU and OSU as a combo.

It's doubling down in a medium sized market, yes, but the content will be strong and that's probably more important going forward. It also makes for a very nice East/West breakdown that is more sensible than what we are currently doing so that's another plus.

The question for me is this the sort of move that could happen sooner than later or is the GOR ironclad? There's a lot of theories to undergird both perspectives. Just wish I knew for sure.

I think it will ultimately prove to be a very short term movement.

In time the content will lose its luster as it the cultural issues come to the surface more and more.

I think a move to the SEC would prove, in time, to be catastrophic for OU.

They will end up the next Nebraska.

I don't think they would. You simply can't change the fact that Norman, Oklahoma is around 2-3 hours away from Dallas, Tx.

(05-08-2016 09:23 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 03:09 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 02:48 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Personally, I'm fine with OU and OSU as a combo.

It's doubling down in a medium sized market, yes, but the content will be strong and that's probably more important going forward. It also makes for a very nice East/West breakdown that is more sensible than what we are currently doing so that's another plus.

The question for me is this the sort of move that could happen sooner than later or is the GOR ironclad? There's a lot of theories to undergird both perspectives. Just wish I knew for sure.

I think it will ultimately prove to be a very short term movement.

In time the content will lose its luster as it the cultural issues come to the surface more and more.

I think a move to the SEC would prove, in time, to be catastrophic for OU.

They will end up the next Nebraska.

I don't think they would. You simply can't change the fact that Norman, Oklahoma is around 2-3 hours away from Dallas, Tx.

From a cultural perspective what is Dallas to the SEC?

(05-08-2016 09:48 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-08-2016 09:23 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 03:09 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 02:48 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Personally, I'm fine with OU and OSU as a combo.

It's doubling down in a medium sized market, yes, but the content will be strong and that's probably more important going forward. It also makes for a very nice East/West breakdown that is more sensible than what we are currently doing so that's another plus.

The question for me is this the sort of move that could happen sooner than later or is the GOR ironclad? There's a lot of theories to undergird both perspectives. Just wish I knew for sure.

I think it will ultimately prove to be a very short term movement.

In time the content will lose its luster as it the cultural issues come to the surface more and more.

I think a move to the SEC would prove, in time, to be catastrophic for OU.

They will end up the next Nebraska.

I don't think they would. You simply can't change the fact that Norman, Oklahoma is around 2-3 hours away from Dallas, Tx.

From a cultural perspective what is Dallas to the SEC?

While not important to Alabama or Auburn per se it is important to Arkansas, probably L.S.U., Missouri, and definitely important to A&M. What realignment is going to do is in essence make the SEC West the best of the Big 12 plus a few closer SEC programs and reunite the core of the Old SEC in the East. Or it could even create a Central to go with the East & West.

Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas,

Alabama, Auburn, L.S.U., Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M

Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

At least this way it reunites the more natural geographical foes.

You play a 9 game schedule. 5 divisional games and rotate 2 each from the other two divisions. If Auburn wants to play Georgia and Alabama play Tennessee they are played as OOC on the years they aren't scheduled. With two Sun Belt or CUSA's on the schedule (and 1 P5 OOC unless playing an in conference rival as an OOC) every school would still have 7 home games. We would rotate through the entire conference every 3 years which is better than we manage to do now.

(05-08-2016 10:25 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-08-2016 09:48 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-08-2016 09:23 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 03:09 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 02:48 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Personally, I'm fine with OU and OSU as a combo.

It's doubling down in a medium sized market, yes, but the content will be strong and that's probably more important going forward. It also makes for a very nice East/West breakdown that is more sensible than what we are currently doing so that's another plus.

The question for me is this the sort of move that could happen sooner than later or is the GOR ironclad? There's a lot of theories to undergird both perspectives. Just wish I knew for sure.

I think it will ultimately prove to be a very short term movement.

In time the content will lose its luster as it the cultural issues come to the surface more and more.

I think a move to the SEC would prove, in time, to be catastrophic for OU.

They will end up the next Nebraska.

I don't think they would. You simply can't change the fact that Norman, Oklahoma is around 2-3 hours away from Dallas, Tx.

From a cultural perspective what is Dallas to the SEC?

While not important to Alabama or Auburn per se it is important to Arkansas, probably L.S.U., Missouri, and definitely important to A&M. What realignment is going to do is in essence make the SEC West the best of the Big 12 plus a few closer SEC programs and reunite the core of the Old SEC in the East. Or it could even create a Central to go with the East & West.

Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas,

Alabama, Auburn, L.S.U., Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M

Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

At least this way it reunites the more natural geographical foes.

You play a 9 game schedule. 5 divisional games and rotate 2 each from the other two divisions. If Auburn wants to play Georgia and Alabama play Tennessee they are played as OOC on the years they aren't scheduled. With two Sun Belt or CUSA's on the schedule (and 1 P5 OOC unless playing an in conference rival as an OOC) every school would still have 7 home games. We would rotate through the entire conference every 3 years which is better than we manage to do now.

My overall point, which goes back to what I said about Nebraska, is that ultimately we are sitting here making decisions based on the football landscape of today without consideration for where it has been or where it will be.

OU v UA and OU v LSU, etc will be big and great game over the next few years.

But, what happens when those programs see their inevitable down years? What meat will there be in OU v. Kentucky, OU v Ole Miss, OU, v Insert SEC team?

From a cultural standpoint they simply aren't a fit. They need to be playing squads like Nebraska, Kansa, Texas, and their old rivals. Yes, A&M and Arkansas are old folks but that's a tenuous connection at best.

Over time their cultural isolation will see a deterioration in interest, play, and products. It is essentially what happened to Nebraska. Nebraska is isolated. Missouri, Colorado, Kansas, even OU, are gone and they are replaced with what? Michigan and Ohio State can't replace that intense familiarity which created heated rivalries because those two are very different animals.

I'm probably the biggest cultural purist on here but I think that OU would be doing themselves a great disservice to go to the SEC, or the Big10.

I ultimately see OU as a program in inevitable decline as their natural habitat, the planes, has been destroyed.

(05-09-2016 12:31 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-08-2016 10:25 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-08-2016 09:48 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-08-2016 09:23 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(05-07-2016 03:09 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I think it will ultimately prove to be a very short term movement.

In time the content will lose its luster as it the cultural issues come to the surface more and more.

I think a move to the SEC would prove, in time, to be catastrophic for OU.

They will end up the next Nebraska.

I don't think they would. You simply can't change the fact that Norman, Oklahoma is around 2-3 hours away from Dallas, Tx.

From a cultural perspective what is Dallas to the SEC?

While not important to Alabama or Auburn per se it is important to Arkansas, probably L.S.U., Missouri, and definitely important to A&M. What realignment is going to do is in essence make the SEC West the best of the Big 12 plus a few closer SEC programs and reunite the core of the Old SEC in the East. Or it could even create a Central to go with the East & West.

Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas,

Alabama, Auburn, L.S.U., Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M

Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

At least this way it reunites the more natural geographical foes.

You play a 9 game schedule. 5 divisional games and rotate 2 each from the other two divisions. If Auburn wants to play Georgia and Alabama play Tennessee they are played as OOC on the years they aren't scheduled. With two Sun Belt or CUSA's on the schedule (and 1 P5 OOC unless playing an in conference rival as an OOC) every school would still have 7 home games. We would rotate through the entire conference every 3 years which is better than we manage to do now.

My overall point, which goes back to what I said about Nebraska, is that ultimately we are sitting here making decisions based on the football landscape of today without consideration for where it has been or where it will be.

OU v UA and OU v LSU, etc will be big and great game over the next few years.

But, what happens when those programs see their inevitable down years? What meat will there be in OU v. Kentucky, OU v Ole Miss, OU, v Insert SEC team?

From a cultural standpoint they simply aren't a fit. They need to be playing squads like Nebraska, Kansa, Texas, and their old rivals. Yes, A&M and Arkansas are old folks but that's a tenuous connection at best.

Over time their cultural isolation will see a deterioration in interest, play, and products. It is essentially what happened to Nebraska. Nebraska is isolated. Missouri, Colorado, Kansas, even OU, are gone and they are replaced with what? Michigan and Ohio State can't replace that intense familiarity which created heated rivalries because those two are very different animals.

I'm probably the biggest cultural purist on here but I think that OU would be doing themselves a great disservice to go to the SEC, or the Big10.

I ultimately see OU as a program in inevitable decline as their natural habitat, the planes, has been destroyed.

nah, Oklahoma will be fine....they get all of their recruits from Texas anyways.

Nebraska is screwed because they have no recruiting pipelines....they are stuck in B1G West land. The B1G West is an awful division to be in

(05-09-2016 02:22 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 12:31 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-08-2016 10:25 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-08-2016 09:48 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-08-2016 09:23 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  I don't think they would. You simply can't change the fact that Norman, Oklahoma is around 2-3 hours away from Dallas, Tx.

From a cultural perspective what is Dallas to the SEC?

While not important to Alabama or Auburn per se it is important to Arkansas, probably L.S.U., Missouri, and definitely important to A&M. What realignment is going to do is in essence make the SEC West the best of the Big 12 plus a few closer SEC programs and reunite the core of the Old SEC in the East. Or it could even create a Central to go with the East & West.

Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas,

Alabama, Auburn, L.S.U., Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M

Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

At least this way it reunites the more natural geographical foes.

You play a 9 game schedule. 5 divisional games and rotate 2 each from the other two divisions. If Auburn wants to play Georgia and Alabama play Tennessee they are played as OOC on the years they aren't scheduled. With two Sun Belt or CUSA's on the schedule (and 1 P5 OOC unless playing an in conference rival as an OOC) every school would still have 7 home games. We would rotate through the entire conference every 3 years which is better than we manage to do now.

My overall point, which goes back to what I said about Nebraska, is that ultimately we are sitting here making decisions based on the football landscape of today without consideration for where it has been or where it will be.

OU v UA and OU v LSU, etc will be big and great game over the next few years.

But, what happens when those programs see their inevitable down years? What meat will there be in OU v. Kentucky, OU v Ole Miss, OU, v Insert SEC team?

From a cultural standpoint they simply aren't a fit. They need to be playing squads like Nebraska, Kansa, Texas, and their old rivals. Yes, A&M and Arkansas are old folks but that's a tenuous connection at best.

Over time their cultural isolation will see a deterioration in interest, play, and products. It is essentially what happened to Nebraska. Nebraska is isolated. Missouri, Colorado, Kansas, even OU, are gone and they are replaced with what? Michigan and Ohio State can't replace that intense familiarity which created heated rivalries because those two are very different animals.

I'm probably the biggest cultural purist on here but I think that OU would be doing themselves a great disservice to go to the SEC, or the Big10.

I ultimately see OU as a program in inevitable decline as their natural habitat, the planes, has been destroyed.

nah, Oklahoma will be fine....they get all of their recruits from Texas anyways.

Nebraska is screwed because they have no recruiting pipelines....they are stuck in B1G West land. The B1G West is an awful division to be in

That's entirely beside the point.

I don't think Oklahoma is that different. From what I know about the state, it is relatively Southern. Not as Southern as Alabama, mind you, but not quite like Nebraska or Iowa either. It's a lot like Texas in some ways.

I get your point that their regional mix has been decimated by realignment, but that's all the more reason to look for a new home. The old alignment isn't coming back.

Let's say we added 4...Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Kansas. OU already plays those schools every year and has for quite some time. They used to play Mizzou every year. A&M and Arkansas are both close by. The regional mix at that point isn't that foreign.

Even beyond that, familiarity will breed contempt among schools that aren't used to playing each other. The reason...they care about the sport. the more the fans interact with each other and the more competitive the games are, all of a sudden new rivalries will develop. Remember, Arkansas and South Carolina haven't been in the SEC all that long. I'm probably younger than some of you, but it would be very odd to me if those schools left.

(05-09-2016 02:29 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 02:22 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 12:31 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-08-2016 10:25 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-08-2016 09:48 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  From a cultural perspective what is Dallas to the SEC?

While not important to Alabama or Auburn per se it is important to Arkansas, probably L.S.U., Missouri, and definitely important to A&M. What realignment is going to do is in essence make the SEC West the best of the Big 12 plus a few closer SEC programs and reunite the core of the Old SEC in the East. Or it could even create a Central to go with the East & West.

Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas,

Alabama, Auburn, L.S.U., Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M

Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

At least this way it reunites the more natural geographical foes.

You play a 9 game schedule. 5 divisional games and rotate 2 each from the other two divisions. If Auburn wants to play Georgia and Alabama play Tennessee they are played as OOC on the years they aren't scheduled. With two Sun Belt or CUSA's on the schedule (and 1 P5 OOC unless playing an in conference rival as an OOC) every school would still have 7 home games. We would rotate through the entire conference every 3 years which is better than we manage to do now.

My overall point, which goes back to what I said about Nebraska, is that ultimately we are sitting here making decisions based on the football landscape of today without consideration for where it has been or where it will be.

OU v UA and OU v LSU, etc will be big and great game over the next few years.

But, what happens when those programs see their inevitable down years? What meat will there be in OU v. Kentucky, OU v Ole Miss, OU, v Insert SEC team?

From a cultural standpoint they simply aren't a fit. They need to be playing squads like Nebraska, Kansa, Texas, and their old rivals. Yes, A&M and Arkansas are old folks but that's a tenuous connection at best.

Over time their cultural isolation will see a deterioration in interest, play, and products. It is essentially what happened to Nebraska. Nebraska is isolated. Missouri, Colorado, Kansas, even OU, are gone and they are replaced with what? Michigan and Ohio State can't replace that intense familiarity which created heated rivalries because those two are very different animals.

I'm probably the biggest cultural purist on here but I think that OU would be doing themselves a great disservice to go to the SEC, or the Big10.

I ultimately see OU as a program in inevitable decline as their natural habitat, the planes, has been destroyed.

nah, Oklahoma will be fine....they get all of their recruits from Texas anyways.

Nebraska is screwed because they have no recruiting pipelines....they are stuck in B1G West land. The B1G West is an awful division to be in

That's entirely beside the point.

...as in it's not the answer you were looking for? I take it you're not very familiar with that area....

Oklahoma should have decent games vs. Texas A&M, LSU, Arkansas, and Mizzou....

It would create a west wing, and an "old SEC" division, similar to what JR said in a post in one of these threads...Oklahoma would fit in perfectly IMO, more so than the B1G or PAC 12

(05-09-2016 03:04 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 02:29 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 02:22 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 12:31 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-08-2016 10:25 PM)JRsec Wrote:  While not important to Alabama or Auburn per se it is important to Arkansas, probably L.S.U., Missouri, and definitely important to A&M. What realignment is going to do is in essence make the SEC West the best of the Big 12 plus a few closer SEC programs and reunite the core of the Old SEC in the East. Or it could even create a Central to go with the East & West.

Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas,

Alabama, Auburn, L.S.U., Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M

Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

At least this way it reunites the more natural geographical foes.

You play a 9 game schedule. 5 divisional games and rotate 2 each from the other two divisions. If Auburn wants to play Georgia and Alabama play Tennessee they are played as OOC on the years they aren't scheduled. With two Sun Belt or CUSA's on the schedule (and 1 P5 OOC unless playing an in conference rival as an OOC) every school would still have 7 home games. We would rotate through the entire conference every 3 years which is better than we manage to do now.

My overall point, which goes back to what I said about Nebraska, is that ultimately we are sitting here making decisions based on the football landscape of today without consideration for where it has been or where it will be.

OU v UA and OU v LSU, etc will be big and great game over the next few years.

But, what happens when those programs see their inevitable down years? What meat will there be in OU v. Kentucky, OU v Ole Miss, OU, v Insert SEC team?

From a cultural standpoint they simply aren't a fit. They need to be playing squads like Nebraska, Kansa, Texas, and their old rivals. Yes, A&M and Arkansas are old folks but that's a tenuous connection at best.

Over time their cultural isolation will see a deterioration in interest, play, and products. It is essentially what happened to Nebraska. Nebraska is isolated. Missouri, Colorado, Kansas, even OU, are gone and they are replaced with what? Michigan and Ohio State can't replace that intense familiarity which created heated rivalries because those two are very different animals.

I'm probably the biggest cultural purist on here but I think that OU would be doing themselves a great disservice to go to the SEC, or the Big10.

I ultimately see OU as a program in inevitable decline as their natural habitat, the planes, has been destroyed.

nah, Oklahoma will be fine....they get all of their recruits from Texas anyways.

Nebraska is screwed because they have no recruiting pipelines....they are stuck in B1G West land. The B1G West is an awful division to be in

That's entirely beside the point.

...as in it's not the answer you were looking for? I take it you're not very familiar with that area....

Oklahoma should have decent games vs. Texas A&M, LSU, Arkansas, and Mizzou....

It would create a west wing, and an "old SEC" division, similar to what JR said in a post in one of these threads...Oklahoma would fit in perfectly IMO, more so than the B1G or PAC 12

As in, it demonstrates a complete and total lack of understanding of the original point. You should try again.

(05-09-2016 03:04 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 02:29 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 02:22 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 12:31 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-08-2016 10:25 PM)JRsec Wrote:  While not important to Alabama or Auburn per se it is important to Arkansas, probably L.S.U., Missouri, and definitely important to A&M. What realignment is going to do is in essence make the SEC West the best of the Big 12 plus a few closer SEC programs and reunite the core of the Old SEC in the East. Or it could even create a Central to go with the East & West.

Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas,

Alabama, Auburn, L.S.U., Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M

Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

At least this way it reunites the more natural geographical foes.

You play a 9 game schedule. 5 divisional games and rotate 2 each from the other two divisions. If Auburn wants to play Georgia and Alabama play Tennessee they are played as OOC on the years they aren't scheduled. With two Sun Belt or CUSA's on the schedule (and 1 P5 OOC unless playing an in conference rival as an OOC) every school would still have 7 home games. We would rotate through the entire conference every 3 years which is better than we manage to do now.

My overall point, which goes back to what I said about Nebraska, is that ultimately we are sitting here making decisions based on the football landscape of today without consideration for where it has been or where it will be.

OU v UA and OU v LSU, etc will be big and great game over the next few years.

But, what happens when those programs see their inevitable down years? What meat will there be in OU v. Kentucky, OU v Ole Miss, OU, v Insert SEC team?

From a cultural standpoint they simply aren't a fit. They need to be playing squads like Nebraska, Kansa, Texas, and their old rivals. Yes, A&M and Arkansas are old folks but that's a tenuous connection at best.

Over time their cultural isolation will see a deterioration in interest, play, and products. It is essentially what happened to Nebraska. Nebraska is isolated. Missouri, Colorado, Kansas, even OU, are gone and they are replaced with what? Michigan and Ohio State can't replace that intense familiarity which created heated rivalries because those two are very different animals.

I'm probably the biggest cultural purist on here but I think that OU would be doing themselves a great disservice to go to the SEC, or the Big10.

I ultimately see OU as a program in inevitable decline as their natural habitat, the planes, has been destroyed.

nah, Oklahoma will be fine....they get all of their recruits from Texas anyways.

Nebraska is screwed because they have no recruiting pipelines....they are stuck in B1G West land. The B1G West is an awful division to be in

That's entirely beside the point.

...as in it's not the answer you were looking for? I take it you're not very familiar with that area....

Oklahoma should have decent games vs. Texas A&M, LSU, Arkansas, and Mizzou....

It would create a west wing, and an "old SEC" division, similar to what JR said in a post in one of these threads...Oklahoma would fit in perfectly IMO, more so than the B1G or PAC 12

Oklahoma does have connection to the PAC area. The dust bowl sent a lot of Oklahomans west out to Colorado and California. That's why OU has tried twice to move out west. With the articles coming out today saying the OU BOT is not seeing eye to eye with President Boren, I have to say I like the SEC's chances of landing them without OSU tagging along.

(05-09-2016 04:44 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 03:04 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 02:29 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 02:22 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 12:31 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  My overall point, which goes back to what I said about Nebraska, is that ultimately we are sitting here making decisions based on the football landscape of today without consideration for where it has been or where it will be.

OU v UA and OU v LSU, etc will be big and great game over the next few years.

But, what happens when those programs see their inevitable down years? What meat will there be in OU v. Kentucky, OU v Ole Miss, OU, v Insert SEC team?

From a cultural standpoint they simply aren't a fit. They need to be playing squads like Nebraska, Kansa, Texas, and their old rivals. Yes, A&M and Arkansas are old folks but that's a tenuous connection at best.

Over time their cultural isolation will see a deterioration in interest, play, and products. It is essentially what happened to Nebraska. Nebraska is isolated. Missouri, Colorado, Kansas, even OU, are gone and they are replaced with what? Michigan and Ohio State can't replace that intense familiarity which created heated rivalries because those two are very different animals.

I'm probably the biggest cultural purist on here but I think that OU would be doing themselves a great disservice to go to the SEC, or the Big10.

I ultimately see OU as a program in inevitable decline as their natural habitat, the planes, has been destroyed.

nah, Oklahoma will be fine....they get all of their recruits from Texas anyways.

Nebraska is screwed because they have no recruiting pipelines....they are stuck in B1G West land. The B1G West is an awful division to be in

That's entirely beside the point.

...as in it's not the answer you were looking for? I take it you're not very familiar with that area....

Oklahoma should have decent games vs. Texas A&M, LSU, Arkansas, and Mizzou....

It would create a west wing, and an "old SEC" division, similar to what JR said in a post in one of these threads...Oklahoma would fit in perfectly IMO, more so than the B1G or PAC 12

Oklahoma does have connection to the PAC area. The dust bowl sent a lot of Oklahomans west out to Colorado and California. That's why OU has tried twice to move out west. With the articles coming out today saying the OU BOT is not seeing eye to eye with President Boren, I have to say I like the SEC's chances of landing them without OSU tagging along.

Boren wants the Big 10. Many of the board may want the SEC. Boren maybe stalling because the SEC may be indeed willing to take both which is an offer the Big 10 simply cannot match. Land both Oklahoma schools and ESPN may find a home of fuller control for Texas. Also now the Horns are saying they don't want to make a move without OU or KU. If that's the case just take all 4 and be done with it. Two of them are AAU and three are national brands, and the tagalong has the 29th wealthiest athletic department in the nation. I'd say that's a small price to pay for the rest when ESPN is hot to land them and keep them out of FOX's hands and to keep them from further enhancing Big 10 payouts which only serve more as an enticement to ACC properties.

(05-09-2016 07:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Boren wants the Big 10. Many of the board may want the SEC. Boren maybe stalling because the SEC may be indeed willing to take both which is an offer the Big 10 simply cannot match. Land both Oklahoma schools and ESPN may find a home of fuller control for Texas. Also now the Horns are saying they don't want to make a move without OU or KU. If that's the case just take all 4 and be done with it. Two of them are AAU and three are national brands, and the tagalong has the 29th wealthiest athletic department in the nation. I'd say that's a small price to pay for the rest when ESPN is hot to land them and keep them out of FOX's hands and to keep them from further enhancing Big 10 payouts which only serve more as an enticement to ACC properties.

I've always felt like most of these OU officials would be happier in the SEC. The fit would be much tighter than with the B1G. More of a hunch than anything, but it's not surprising.

So let's say we took those 4.

West: Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Missouri, Arkansas
Central: Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn
East: Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky

What does ESPN do to strengthen the ACC's financials to keep any of them from being tempted to go to the B1G?

They have to get a network obviously and the LHN could simply be converted, but other than that...

(05-10-2016 08:10 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 07:41 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Boren wants the Big 10. Many of the board may want the SEC. Boren maybe stalling because the SEC may be indeed willing to take both which is an offer the Big 10 simply cannot match. Land both Oklahoma schools and ESPN may find a home of fuller control for Texas. Also now the Horns are saying they don't want to make a move without OU or KU. If that's the case just take all 4 and be done with it. Two of them are AAU and three are national brands, and the tagalong has the 29th wealthiest athletic department in the nation. I'd say that's a small price to pay for the rest when ESPN is hot to land them and keep them out of FOX's hands and to keep them from further enhancing Big 10 payouts which only serve more as an enticement to ACC properties.

I've always felt like most of these OU officials would be happier in the SEC. The fit would be much tighter than with the B1G. More of a hunch than anything, but it's not surprising.

So let's say we took those 4.

West: Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Kansas, Missouri, Arkansas
Central: Texas A&M, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Alabama, Auburn
East: Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky

What does ESPN do to strengthen the ACC's financials to keep any of them from being tempted to go to the B1G?

They have to get a network obviously and the LHN could simply be converted, but other than that...

The ACC picks up Cincinnati and Connecticut for a market and a basketball content multiplier. They pick up W.V.U. to reconnect their footprint. Then they divide into 3 division of 6 and Notre Dame plugs into the North where if they win their division they get into the conference playoffs.

That gives you a football boost, a basketball boost, and part of Ohio. It also accomplishes something else. If UT, OU, OSU, and KU have moved to the SEC the Big 10 and therefore FOX have no place to go for value but to the PAC. If they move on the PAC they lessen ESPN's overhead and increase the value shares of the SEC & ACC's places in the CFP.