(05-04-2016 10:39 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:37 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 09:00 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(05-03-2016 09:55 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  No food stamps at all. No welfare. It is taking from my pocket. I work hard for my money, why should a failure receive my funds? Let the charities and churches handle them.

Self reliance is lost in America.

Uhhh, we all work hard to pay into the system. If you lose your job, it's there for you too.

I will walk the streets first.

What if you got kids to feed?

Foster home until I can recover.

(05-04-2016 10:26 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:19 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  You don't treat people like crap, period.

I agree, and the taxpayers have been treated like crap for far too long.

I agree.

I hate paying what I do in taxes. But, at the same time, I don't think that taking it out on some unknown person at a Wal-Mart is a good thing.

I don't really blame the folks. I blame the ones that are handling the program and who allow abuse to take place.

(05-04-2016 10:40 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:39 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:37 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 09:00 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(05-03-2016 09:55 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  No food stamps at all. No welfare. It is taking from my pocket. I work hard for my money, why should a failure receive my funds? Let the charities and churches handle them.

Self reliance is lost in America.

Uhhh, we all work hard to pay into the system. If you lose your job, it's there for you too.

I will walk the streets first.

What if you got kids to feed?

Foster home until I can recover.

Foster homes rely on government aid.

(05-04-2016 10:27 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:17 AM)Crebman Wrote:  I don't have issues with lending a helping hand - particularly if that person is actually working. The real heartburn comes from the fact that the entitlement system the government has set up doesn't encourage doing the right things to get off the dole. Besides the fact that the system if rife inefficiencies if not pockets of fraud - there is an element of that very same government that uses it as a voting carrot, "vote for me and I'll keep that entitlement spigot open and flowing.

100% agree.

And if we a a society are not willing to ask tough questions of those receiving these benefits (Like asking, "How did you get into this situation?", "What decisions did YOU make that contributed to your inability to meet your responsibilities?", and "what are you going to do to prevent yourself from getting in this situation again?"), then we are no better than parents of Millenials that raise children unable and unaccountable to meet the "real world" on their own. Too bad if it is "uncomfortable" or "hurts your feelings", but we too often as parents and citizens, avoid the tough but needed conversation out of protecting sensitivities. Remember, the best friend you can ever hope for is one that is willing to honestly tell you the things you don't want to hear and ask you questions that you would rather not have to answer.

That's awful.

You don't need to sit around and call people out at your grocery store for using food stamps.

(05-04-2016 10:41 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:40 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:39 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:37 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 09:00 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Uhhh, we all work hard to pay into the system. If you lose your job, it's there for you too.

I will walk the streets first.

What if you got kids to feed?

Foster home until I can recover.

Foster homes rely on government aid.

Forgot about that. Or my family.

I just have no desire to be a leech.

(05-04-2016 10:38 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:26 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:19 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  You don't treat people like crap, period.

I agree, and the taxpayers have been treated like crap for far too long.

So what would you do? How would you fix it?

As for who is sticking it to taxpayers, I believe they exist all along the socio-economic scale, from poor welfare cheats to middle class tax cheats to doctors who cheat on Medicaid and Medicare claims to the wealthy and corporations who use every loophole and offshore opportunity they can find to avoid paying taxes.

Same way it was fixed in the mid-90's. You cut it off.

We heard back then how bad it would be for the kids. "THINK OF THE CHILDREN"

And what happened? We had more people working and less poverty than we had seen in ages. Kids were better off because their parents were actually working.

Then in walks Obama and decides to undue all of that. And what do we have? A nation of invalids. I thought Obama was going to heal the world? Turns out, he caused an assload of people to become disabled and incapable of working.

So, in walks Trump, and if he reverses that trend by enforcing the work requirement and maximum timelines for any welfare, poverty will plummet, kids will be better off, and Trump will have his face chiseled onto Rushmore, much to the butthurt of Obama.

(05-04-2016 10:43 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:41 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:40 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:39 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:37 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  I will walk the streets first.

What if you got kids to feed?

Foster home until I can recover.

Foster homes rely on government aid.

Forgot about that. Or my family.

I just have no desire to be a leech.

I respect you for that. It's an admirable trait. I share it. I also happen to think there are circumstances when people need help. I think if government can help businessmen 'do business' then it can certainly help people n need make ends meet.

I pay taxes because it is a part of my responsibility as a citizen of the United States. I'd rather my taxes go to help someone struggling than go, say, to help fatcats in the military industrial complex get fatter.

(05-04-2016 10:27 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:17 AM)Crebman Wrote:  I don't have issues with lending a helping hand - particularly if that person is actually working. The real heartburn comes from the fact that the entitlement system the government has set up doesn't encourage doing the right things to get off the dole. Besides the fact that the system if rife inefficiencies if not pockets of fraud - there is an element of that very same government that uses it as a voting carrot, "vote for me and I'll keep that entitlement spigot open and flowing.

100% agree.

And if we a a society are not willing to ask tough questions of those receiving these benefits (Like asking, "How did you get into this situation?", "What decisions did YOU make that contributed to your inability to meet your responsibilities?", and "what are you going to do to prevent yourself from getting in this situation again?"), then we are no better than parents of Millenials that raise children unable and unaccountable to meet the "real world" on their own. Too bad if it is "uncomfortable" or "hurts your feelings", but we too often as parents and citizens, avoid the tough but needed conversation out of protecting sensitivities. Remember, the best friend you can ever hope for is one that is willing to honestly tell you the things you don't want to hear and ask you questions that you would rather not have to answer.

I agree. That is why I always expected my kids to do the right things and own their lives.......... So far - all have college degrees, all have good paying jobs, the two oldest are buying their own houses...........

They, at this point, are out of my pocket except when their mother spends money on them, although, grandkids seem to have taken over as the recipients of that here lately. (Fingers crossed that they stay out of my wallet!)

(05-04-2016 10:44 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:38 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:26 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:19 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  You don't treat people like crap, period.

I agree, and the taxpayers have been treated like crap for far too long.

So what would you do? How would you fix it?

As for who is sticking it to taxpayers, I believe they exist all along the socio-economic scale, from poor welfare cheats to middle class tax cheats to doctors who cheat on Medicaid and Medicare claims to the wealthy and corporations who use every loophole and offshore opportunity they can find to avoid paying taxes.

Same way it was fixed in the mid-90's. You cut it off.

We heard back then how bad it would be for the kids. "THINK OF THE CHILDREN"

And what happened? We had more people working and less poverty than we had seen in ages. Kids were better off because their parents were actually working.

Then in walks Obama and decides to undue all of that. And what do we have? A nation of invalids. I thought Obama was going to heal the world? Turns out, he caused an assload of people to become disabled and incapable of working.

So, in walks Trump, and if he reverses that trend by enforcing the work requirement and maximum timelines for any welfare, poverty will plummet, kids will be better off, and Trump will have his face chiseled onto Rushmore, much to the butthurt of Obama.

Butthurt?

Good lord.

(05-04-2016 10:38 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:26 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:19 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  You don't treat people like crap, period.

I agree, and the taxpayers have been treated like crap for far too long.

So what would you do? How would you fix it?

As for who is sticking it to taxpayers, I believe they exist all along the socio-economic scale, from poor welfare cheats to middle class tax cheats to doctors who cheat on Medicaid and Medicare claims to the wealthy and corporations who use every loophole and offshore opportunity they can find to avoid paying taxes.

You make a good point. There are people in all socio -economic groups who cheat the government.

The problem is that one political party wants you to focus on a particular group for political gain rather than go after the biggest offenders based on the amount of fraud.

You see, if they capitalize on the racist attitude of some uneducated, blue collar workers, you can trick them into believed that a certain segment of their neighbors are stealing from them. This creates a solid block of voters against social programs.

Donald Trump will do well with these voters.

(05-04-2016 10:43 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:41 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:40 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:39 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:37 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  I will walk the streets first.

What if you got kids to feed?

Foster home until I can recover.

Foster homes rely on government aid.

Forgot about that. Or my family.

I just have no desire to be a leech.

So here we are again. You'll gladly take your family's help when its necessary, but **** those people who don't have families.

Get a clue about the real world before you start spewing these hot takes.

I agree with the need to get people off of welfare but it requires more than a push out of the nest.

First off, our welfare programs aren't designed to get you off your feet. They are designed to keep you on them. That needs to change.

Any 'reform' before that changes and all you have done is hurt people.

(05-04-2016 10:50 AM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:43 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:41 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:40 AM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:39 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  What if you got kids to feed?

Foster home until I can recover.

Foster homes rely on government aid.

Forgot about that. Or my family.

I just have no desire to be a leech.

So here we are again. You'll gladly take your family's help when its necessary, but **** those people who don't have families.

Get a clue about the real world before you start spewing these hot takes.

That is their tough luck. Use any operation other than the government. Since people pay their hard earned money for it.

It is not my problem if people don't have a family. Just don't take my money or my family's money or anyone's money to pay for a failure's steak and seafood.

It sounds harsh, but it is only fair to the producers of society.

(05-04-2016 10:51 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I agree with the need to get people off of welfare but it requires more than a push out of the nest.

First off, our welfare programs aren't designed to get you off your feet. They are designed to keep you on them. That needs to change.

Any 'reform' before that changes and all you have done is hurt people.

This is the problem. The safety net benefits all of us for reasons stated earlier-- crime rate being probably chief among them-- but as its structured we incentivize a lot of people to stay on it. Thus it not only costs an obscene amount, but actually hurts people. And it'll be gone anyway when we go bankrupt.

(05-04-2016 10:50 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:44 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:38 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:26 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:19 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  You don't treat people like crap, period.

I agree, and the taxpayers have been treated like crap for far too long.

So what would you do? How would you fix it?

As for who is sticking it to taxpayers, I believe they exist all along the socio-economic scale, from poor welfare cheats to middle class tax cheats to doctors who cheat on Medicaid and Medicare claims to the wealthy and corporations who use every loophole and offshore opportunity they can find to avoid paying taxes.

Same way it was fixed in the mid-90's. You cut it off.

We heard back then how bad it would be for the kids. "THINK OF THE CHILDREN"

And what happened? We had more people working and less poverty than we had seen in ages. Kids were better off because their parents were actually working.

Then in walks Obama and decides to undue all of that. And what do we have? A nation of invalids. I thought Obama was going to heal the world? Turns out, he caused an assload of people to become disabled and incapable of working.

So, in walks Trump, and if he reverses that trend by enforcing the work requirement and maximum timelines for any welfare, poverty will plummet, kids will be better off, and Trump will have his face chiseled onto Rushmore, much to the butthurt of Obama.

Butthurt?

Good lord.

lol, he mad...

So the people that are against Food Stamp or welfare, are you also against helping small businesses and companies with assistance from the government? Its cool to yell at some poor dad trying to get by, but then we turn a blind eye to the abuse the government does on the business side as well.

I think this lady was rude and should of kept her mouth shut, unless she knows that this person is abusing the system. Then report it. Which I bet she did not.. just another crazy trying to get famous to cash in.

(05-04-2016 10:53 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:50 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:44 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:38 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:26 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  I agree, and the taxpayers have been treated like crap for far too long.

So what would you do? How would you fix it?

As for who is sticking it to taxpayers, I believe they exist all along the socio-economic scale, from poor welfare cheats to middle class tax cheats to doctors who cheat on Medicaid and Medicare claims to the wealthy and corporations who use every loophole and offshore opportunity they can find to avoid paying taxes.

Same way it was fixed in the mid-90's. You cut it off.

We heard back then how bad it would be for the kids. "THINK OF THE CHILDREN"

And what happened? We had more people working and less poverty than we had seen in ages. Kids were better off because their parents were actually working.

Then in walks Obama and decides to undue all of that. And what do we have? A nation of invalids. I thought Obama was going to heal the world? Turns out, he caused an assload of people to become disabled and incapable of working.

So, in walks Trump, and if he reverses that trend by enforcing the work requirement and maximum timelines for any welfare, poverty will plummet, kids will be better off, and Trump will have his face chiseled onto Rushmore, much to the butthurt of Obama.

Butthurt?

Good lord.

lol, he mad...

And just like your parents, when we get mad and cut you off, you will have to live with your own consequences.

(05-04-2016 11:14 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:53 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:50 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:44 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:38 AM)gsu95 Wrote:  So what would you do? How would you fix it?

As for who is sticking it to taxpayers, I believe they exist all along the socio-economic scale, from poor welfare cheats to middle class tax cheats to doctors who cheat on Medicaid and Medicare claims to the wealthy and corporations who use every loophole and offshore opportunity they can find to avoid paying taxes.

Same way it was fixed in the mid-90's. You cut it off.

We heard back then how bad it would be for the kids. "THINK OF THE CHILDREN"

And what happened? We had more people working and less poverty than we had seen in ages. Kids were better off because their parents were actually working.

Then in walks Obama and decides to undue all of that. And what do we have? A nation of invalids. I thought Obama was going to heal the world? Turns out, he caused an assload of people to become disabled and incapable of working.

So, in walks Trump, and if he reverses that trend by enforcing the work requirement and maximum timelines for any welfare, poverty will plummet, kids will be better off, and Trump will have his face chiseled onto Rushmore, much to the butthurt of Obama.

Butthurt?

Good lord.

lol, he mad...

And just like your parents, when we get mad and cut you off, you will have to live with your own consequences.

you just say %^&* that makes you feel better apparently because I pay for me...and I get along great with my aging parents.

(05-04-2016 11:13 AM)Greenroom Wrote:  So the people that are against Food Stamp or welfare, are you also against helping small businesses and companies with assistance from the government? Its cool to yell at some poor dad trying to get by, but then we turn a blind eye to the abuse the government does on the business side as well.

I think this lady was rude and should of kept her mouth shut, unless she knows that this person is abusing the system. Then report it. Which I bet she did not.. just another crazy trying to get famous to cash in.

Businesses and companies provide jobs and simulate the economy in a major way. Welfare Queens and leeches do not.

I have no problem helping those who are truly in need. The problem is the people who truly need help are few and far between. Instead we have a bunch of people capable of providing for themselves who are living it up on the taxpayer's dime because they are gaming the system.

And the saddest thing is even when you have evidence of this kind of abuse the people administering the program pretty much refuse to do anything about it because of the PR hit they would take from bleeding hearts like many in this thread. We would often lodge complaints when we encountered abuses in the course of our duties until we were told to just stop. Used to piss us off when we as a four man engine company, some who worked two or more jobs, would go shopping for our station groceries at the local grocery store and the only people worried about being thrifty were the ones who were paying with money they earned. Here we would be with store brands, cheapest meats and the welfare queens would have their double buggies....the ones loaded down with the stuff food stamps paid for and then the buggies full of junk food and alcohol they would pay for with a wad of cash.