-- The TV contract will be much less

-- COA has kicked in

-- Some states have cut budgets hurting several

-- Attendance is flat or down at some schools

-- The arms race continues as P5 and even some G5 advance


Schools with good leadership can make adjustments to deal with these facts on an individual basis---but there is only ONE,QUICK way to increase C-USA CASH FLOW-the NCAA TOURNAMENT!!

We can't rob a bank! WHERE else do we get the MONEY?!

It is PAST time for a conference plan of attack.

It can be done(see Atlantic 10).

Mandates,incentives,penalties,enforceable rules,investments must take place very soon or we will be so far behind I don't want to know.

MONEY.SIGNIFICANT MONEY is there for the conference to share.We must be aggressive and CHANGE to get our hands on it!


Meanwhile, SOME stubborn short-sighted AD's,coaches,"football only" fans and others need to get OUT OF THE WAY and let progress take place!!!

Maybe our fans can get off their butts and actually attend football and basketball games? No not just attend but INVEST in the program with season tickets. That is the only way to build a surefire increase into the budget.

We all talk a good game and make tons of excuses (most of all fans..not just Western) as to why we can't get off the couch.

Too long of a drive
Got to work
On a week day
Cost too much
Rather watch at home

Yep EXCUSES...every last one of them.

No one really cares (the AD who is making the budget...pr at least responsible for it) if you actually show up. THEY NEED YOUR MONEY!

If you want to help your school/sports programs stop making excuses. Well you can keep the excuses on why you don't show up. But buy season tickets. Buy the cheapo tickets if that's all you can afford....but at least show your support.

We all love to say.."I support my team" if you don't get off your ass and show up or at least buy the ticket...

YOU DO NOT SUPPORT YOUR TEAM

You are a fan. But no where in "support" does sitting your ass in front of your tv show SUPPORT. You are a fan and honestly in name only. INVEST in your schoo'l program and then you actually support it. I also call bullcrap on those that say...I can't afford to pay and not go. Bull...only a few really can't afford to save about .50 cents a day for a season ticket in football.

That's $182.

$182 X 3000 deadbeat couch "fans" makes up for $546,000

My biggest pet peeve in sports is G5 fans crying about the lack of TV money....then sit it out when they can actually SUPPORT their team. No one is stopping us from competing on that front. Well that is only a bunch of crying ass complaining supp...fans

C-USA needs to take ACTION ASAP.Schools who do not comply with these changes need to realize this is serious.

Example: out of compliance(w/new conf. rules) for two years---penalties kick in.
out of compliance--four years--suspension from post season
out of compliance--Five years--proceedings begin to end conference membership
Six years--dismiss from conference

So would, I don't know, let's just say under 20,000 for a conference championship in football, put you out of compliance?

If the conference does not start bringing in some serious MONEY from somewhere(NCAA Tourney-only source I see) then schools will have trouble in ALL athletics--including football.Please see-read original post.

(05-03-2016 02:33 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  It can be done(see Atlantic 10).

The Atlantic 10 is strong because they invited strong basketball programs into their conference. They didn't just build something out of nothing or coerce their members into being better at basketball.

Eigen Eagle wrote---"The Atlantic 10 is strong because they invited strong basketball programs into their conference. They didn't just build something out of nothing or coerce their members into being better at basketball."

I disagree.While the A10 did add some strong programs they also instituted a very complicated plan with specific scheduling requirements.


They ALSO did "targeted" scheduling WITHIN their league with stronger teams playing twice and top teams playing lower ones just once.

C-USA has SEVERAL schools with a lot of tradition and support for round ball and has the same potential.

For more details on A10 strategy just ask the CHARLOTTE posters.Multiple A10 bids didn't just "happen".

(05-03-2016 04:27 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Eigen Eagle wrote---"The Atlantic 10 is strong because they invited strong basketball programs into their conference. They didn't just build something out of nothing or coerce their members into being better at basketball."

I disagree.While the A10 did add some strong programs they also instituted a very complicated plan with specific scheduling requirements.


They ALSO did "targeted" scheduling WITHIN their league with stronger teams playing twice and top teams playing lower ones just once.

C-USA has SEVERAL schools with a lot of tradition and support for round ball and has the same potential.

For more details on A10 strategy just ask the CHARLOTTE posters.Multiple A10 bids didn't just "happen".

This is true. ODU actually turned down the A10 in the 90s because it wasn't much better than the CAA the time. Now look at it. The CAA built itself from a 1 bid league to a frequent two, and sometimes three bid league. If ODU, VCU and GMU hadn't left it would be as good as the A10 now. Those two conferences prove it can be done. The trick is to keep the best members from jumping ship to perceived better opportunities once the conference gets some clout. Thats what killed the CAA, and CUSA as well. If CUSA still had Tulsa, Tulane or ECU (the last three to jump ship) we'd be better in both sports for example. If we are able to build this conference, and its possible to do, we should all commit to staying once its done.

Correct! We need action. Hmmm. What if schools stopped scheduling multiple D2 schools for the regular season?! Then they could play some real teams! That'd probably help!

(05-03-2016 04:03 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  So would, I don't know, let's just say under 20,000 for a conference championship in football, put you out of compliance?

There's an ass in every crowd!

(05-03-2016 06:06 PM)Psychored Wrote:  

(05-03-2016 04:03 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  So would, I don't know, let's just say under 20,000 for a conference championship in football, put you out of compliance?

There's an ass in every crowd!

What else does he have to talk about in that game? But it clearly shows he wasn't there watching that ass kicking. Western did not want to pay for 4k in students and that lead to the under count.

(05-03-2016 03:43 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  C-USA needs to take ACTION ASAP.Schools who do not comply with these changes need to realize this is serious.

Example: out of compliance(w/new conf. rules) for two years---penalties kick in.
out of compliance--four years--suspension from post season
out of compliance--Five years--proceedings begin to end conference membership
Six years--dismiss from conference

Your timeline for penalties isn't nearly effective enough. After two years, the conference should be able to dismiss schools. The P5 don't care if they destroy rivalries, conferences or student athletes. For some reason, G5 conferences won't do what needs to be done to maximize revenue. If the TV contracts don't continue to increase I guarantee P5 conferences will start exiling members to keep revenue high.

(05-03-2016 04:35 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(05-03-2016 04:27 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Eigen Eagle wrote---"The Atlantic 10 is strong because they invited strong basketball programs into their conference. They didn't just build something out of nothing or coerce their members into being better at basketball."

I disagree.While the A10 did add some strong programs they also instituted a very complicated plan with specific scheduling requirements.


They ALSO did "targeted" scheduling WITHIN their league with stronger teams playing twice and top teams playing lower ones just once.

C-USA has SEVERAL schools with a lot of tradition and support for round ball and has the same potential.

For more details on A10 strategy just ask the CHARLOTTE posters.Multiple A10 bids didn't just "happen".

This is true. ODU actually turned down the A10 in the 90s because it wasn't much better than the CAA the time. Now look at it. The CAA built itself from a 1 bid league to a frequent two, and sometimes three bid league. If ODU, VCU and GMU hadn't left it would be as good as the A10 now. Those two conferences prove it can be done. The trick is to keep the best members from jumping ship to perceived better opportunities once the conference gets some clout. Thats what killed the CAA, and CUSA as well. If CUSA still had Tulsa, Tulane or ECU (the last three to jump ship) we'd be better in both sports for example. If we are able to build this conference, and its possible to do, we should all commit to staying once its done.

No offense but I disagree with the both sports statement. ECU and Tulane haven't ever really brought much to the table in hoops.

(05-03-2016 06:26 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-03-2016 06:06 PM)Psychored Wrote:  

(05-03-2016 04:03 PM)EagNBran Wrote:  So would, I don't know, let's just say under 20,000 for a conference championship in football, put you out of compliance?

There's an ass in every crowd!

What else does he have to talk about in that game? But it clearly shows he wasn't there watching that ass kicking. Western did not want to pay for 4k in students and that lead to the under count.

I actually did make the drive up.

Honestly, this thread comes up once a month from Western fans and when it was just two of them going back and forth, I decided to stir the pot.

(05-03-2016 02:33 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  -- The TV contract will be much less

-- COA has kicked in

-- Some states have cut budgets hurting several

-- Attendance is flat or down at some schools

-- The arms race continues as P5 and even some G5 advance


Schools with good leadership can make adjustments to deal with these facts on an individual basis---but there is only ONE,QUICK way to increase C-USA CASH FLOW-the NCAA TOURNAMENT!!

We can't rob a bank! WHERE else do we get the MONEY?!

It is PAST time for a conference plan of attack.

It can be done(see Atlantic 10).

Mandates,incentives,penalties,enforceable rules,investments must take place very soon or we will be so far behind I don't want to know.

MONEY.SIGNIFICANT MONEY is there for the conference to share.We must be aggressive and CHANGE to get our hands on it!


Meanwhile, SOME stubborn short-sighted AD's,coaches,"football only" fans and others need to get OUT OF THE WAY and let progress take place!!!

Agree and disagree. Agree that C-USA schools need to invest more in basketball, but disagree on abandoning football. While it may not seem much, minor bowl appearances do add up over time. Just got to make sure you the team doesn't travel too far away. Also, it's harder to create basketball powerhouses at schools where football is the primary sport. It's easier to do it at former basketball school or a school that hasn't really been known for any sport.

(05-03-2016 04:27 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  Eigen Eagle wrote---"The Atlantic 10 is strong because they invited strong basketball programs into their conference. They didn't just build something out of nothing or coerce their members into being better at basketball."

I disagree.While the A10 did add some strong programs they also instituted a very complicated plan with specific scheduling requirements.


They ALSO did "targeted" scheduling WITHIN their league with stronger teams playing twice and top teams playing lower ones just once.

C-USA has SEVERAL schools with a lot of tradition and support for round ball and has the same potential.

For more details on A10 strategy just ask the CHARLOTTE posters.Multiple A10 bids didn't just "happen".

The A10 also doesn't have a bunch of schools trying to support FBS Football teams.

Look, I get the plight of WKU. You guys have had more basketball success than most people could dream of, but surely you guys would understand that a school can't simply just make money magically appear and give it to their basketball programs

You can't move it from football either because if you surveyed larger boosters at schools, you'd find they ear mark most of their money directly for football, and don't care about the basketball side.

College basketball in the SOuth is drying up fast. Attendance is down everywhere but Kentucky, ratings are down nationally, and the NCAA had to invent about 12 rule changes this past year simply in an effort to increase the quality of the game. The only schools not suffering from these issues are the elite baasketball tradition rich schools like the Kentucky's, Duke's, Indiana's and UNC"s of the world. That's why the A10 has had so much success. They've found quickly that most schools were pouring money into football, and without football to tie them down, they poured money into basketball.

I admit, I have advocated before that Arkansas State drop basketball because it's a drain on our financial resources that could be better used to improve our football program, so I might not be the best person to talk about this, but you are fighting a losing battle right now. Until the NCAA can draw fans back to college basketball, the money is simply not going to be there to make the improvements necessary to make basketball competitive, making pushing strict competitiveness standards through league AD's almost impossible.

NCAA credits(even MORE after recent increase) await the conference.C-USA must form a strategy.If necessary schools must cut some from non-revenue sports to invest in basketball-a sport that CAN bring in MONEY.

(05-03-2016 04:48 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  Correct! We need action. Hmmm. What if schools stopped scheduling multiple D2 schools for the regular season?! Then they could play some real teams! That'd probably help!

It would depend on who they were replaced with. The NAIA and other non-division 1 games do not affect RPI or SOS. A low level RPI team could actually be worse than playing a non-Div 1 team.

(05-03-2016 03:26 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Maybe our fans can get off their butts and actually attend football and basketball games? No not just attend but INVEST in the program with season tickets. That is the only way to build a surefire increase into the budget.

We all talk a good game and make tons of excuses (most of all fans..not just Western) as to why we can't get off the couch.

Too long of a drive
Got to work
On a week day
Cost too much
Rather watch at home

Yep EXCUSES...every last one of them.

No one really cares (the AD who is making the budget...pr at least responsible for it) if you actually show up. THEY NEED YOUR MONEY!

If you want to help your school/sports programs stop making excuses. Well you can keep the excuses on why you don't show up. But buy season tickets. Buy the cheapo tickets if that's all you can afford....but at least show your support.

We all love to say.."I support my team" if you don't get off your ass and show up or at least buy the ticket...

YOU DO NOT SUPPORT YOUR TEAM

You are a fan. But no where in "support" does sitting your ass in front of your tv show SUPPORT. You are a fan and honestly in name only. INVEST in your schoo'l program and then you actually support it. I also call bullcrap on those that say...I can't afford to pay and not go. Bull...only a few really can't afford to save about .50 cents a day for a season ticket in football.

That's $182.

$182 X 3000 deadbeat couch "fans" makes up for $546,000

My biggest pet peeve in sports is G5 fans crying about the lack of TV money....then sit it out when they can actually SUPPORT their team. No one is stopping us from competing on that front. Well that is only a bunch of crying ass complaining supp...fans

Not everybody lives in the area. Those that do should definitely put their money where their mouth is.

I understand that but if you wan your school to be able to compete (dollars/coaches/recruiting budgets) with your conference mates and other G5 conferences....

you still need to invest those dollars

If not don't complain (not you personally) about seeing a couple D2 games on the basketball schedule or only 5 home games in football every 3rd or 4th year. The AD has to spend what's budgeted and it's cheaper to schedule a D2 team for 15 to 20k than a low ranking D1 for 30 to 40k

a lot of people invest in things they don't attend regularly. A lot of people don't attend church regularly but you still give. Same with the gym. Same with Arts.