(05-04-2016 03:49 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 01:31 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  I think BYU and Cincinnati would be the safest picks....

BYU is P5 ready...they're basically P5, and have a better history than A LOT of P5 schools

Cincinnati is P5 ready as well, but the Big XII won't be a cakewalk for them....all of the sudden you'll have OU, TCU, and Baylor coming to town....whose to say they won't end up being another Kansas or Iowa State?

personally, I'd grab BYU and South Florida

Everyone always overlooks South Florida....they are GOOD though...they take advantage of that Florida recruiting

Please elaborate on makes USF a better candidate.

...better candidate than Cincinnati? They have better football and better recruiting. I believe they could easily improve and compete with the big dogs in Florida...

(05-04-2016 04:01 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 03:49 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 01:31 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  I think BYU and Cincinnati would be the safest picks....

BYU is P5 ready...they're basically P5, and have a better history than A LOT of P5 schools

Cincinnati is P5 ready as well, but the Big XII won't be a cakewalk for them....all of the sudden you'll have OU, TCU, and Baylor coming to town....whose to say they won't end up being another Kansas or Iowa State?

personally, I'd grab BYU and South Florida

Everyone always overlooks South Florida....they are GOOD though...they take advantage of that Florida recruiting

Please elaborate on makes USF a better candidate.

...better candidate than Cincinnati? They have better football and better recruiting. I believe they could easily improve and compete with the big dogs in Florida...

USF certainly has a lot of potential but I don't think there's any metric by which USF has better football than UC.

(05-04-2016 04:14 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 04:01 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 03:49 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 01:31 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  I think BYU and Cincinnati would be the safest picks....

BYU is P5 ready...they're basically P5, and have a better history than A LOT of P5 schools

Cincinnati is P5 ready as well, but the Big XII won't be a cakewalk for them....all of the sudden you'll have OU, TCU, and Baylor coming to town....whose to say they won't end up being another Kansas or Iowa State?

personally, I'd grab BYU and South Florida

Everyone always overlooks South Florida....they are GOOD though...they take advantage of that Florida recruiting

Please elaborate on makes USF a better candidate.

...better candidate than Cincinnati? They have better football and better recruiting. I believe they could easily improve and compete with the big dogs in Florida...

USF certainly has a lot of potential but I don't think there's any metric by which USF has better football than UC.

Years NOT employing Tubbs? USF is crushing UC in that metric

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(05-03-2016 05:34 PM)Chappy Wrote:  I see...

BYU and Cincinnati to the Big 12...

Texas walks over LHN and B12 Network disputes, becomes independent in football and moves all other sports to ACC...

Kansas and Oklahoma become the 15th and 16th B1G schools...

Kansas State and Oklahoma State become 15th and 16 SEC schools (Auburn and Alabama move East, Missouri moves west)...

The Big 12 adds Boise State, Memphis, UConn

Baylor
Boise State
BYU
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Iowa State
Memphis
TCU
Texas Tech
West Virginia

All that expansion just to end up with 10 schools, lol.

I'm feeling pretty good about my prediction so far.

I'm thinking Cincy and Houston. Divisions like this...

Texas - Oklahoma
Baylor - TCU
Tech - Houston
WVU - Cincy
KState - ISU
Kansas - oSu

...with 1 permanent cross-division rival.

(05-04-2016 04:40 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 04:14 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 04:01 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 03:49 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 01:31 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  I think BYU and Cincinnati would be the safest picks....

BYU is P5 ready...they're basically P5, and have a better history than A LOT of P5 schools

Cincinnati is P5 ready as well, but the Big XII won't be a cakewalk for them....all of the sudden you'll have OU, TCU, and Baylor coming to town....whose to say they won't end up being another Kansas or Iowa State?

personally, I'd grab BYU and South Florida

Everyone always overlooks South Florida....they are GOOD though...they take advantage of that Florida recruiting

Please elaborate on makes USF a better candidate.

...better candidate than Cincinnati? They have better football and better recruiting. I believe they could easily improve and compete with the big dogs in Florida...

USF certainly has a lot of potential but I don't think there's any metric by which USF has better football than UC.

Years NOT employing Tubbs? USF is crushing UC in that metric

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If this expansion discussion were going to be next summer, USF would be at the top of the list.

USF is going to win AT LEAST 10 games this year, and probably more.

(05-04-2016 09:10 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 04:40 PM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 04:14 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 04:01 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 03:49 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Please elaborate on makes USF a better candidate.

...better candidate than Cincinnati? They have better football and better recruiting. I believe they could easily improve and compete with the big dogs in Florida...

USF certainly has a lot of potential but I don't think there's any metric by which USF has better football than UC.

Years NOT employing Tubbs? USF is crushing UC in that metric

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If this expansion discussion were going to be next summer, USF would be at the top of the list.

USF is going to win AT LEAST 10 games this year, and probably more.

I can't tell if this is serious.

Why pay $20M+ apiece for two new schools who would join for $5M apiece?

The BigXII has been promised pro rata revenue increases for members 11 and 12 meaning $40M+ in new revenue from 10 football broadcasts and some basketball content. The BigXII would command $20M+ for a CCG. That's $60M+ in new revenue. There are no available expansion options that merit an annual $20-30M payout. There are almost a dozen schools that merit a $5M+ payout who aren't getting it. So instead of offering two schools full BigXII membership why not expand by 10 schools and let them split the $60M increase at $6M apiece? They contribute 10 games to the tier one BigXII contract and the remaining 50 home games go to the BigXII network. The 10 new schools play a separate 9 game RR schedule and the expansion champ meets the regular champ in the CCG.
$6M Division: CSU, BYU, SDSU, UNLV, UNM, Hou, Cinci, Mem, UCONN, UCF

Big XII - 12 teams

West
Texas
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
Kansas
Kansas St
Iowa St

East
Texas Tech
Baylor
TCU
Houston
Cincinnati
West Virginia

5 division games, 3 permanent cross-division games. Texas, Oklahoma St, Kansas vs. Baylor, Texas Tech and West Virginia. Oklahoma, Kansas St, Iowa St vs. TCU, Houston, and Cincinnati.

The only original Big XII matchups that are lost are Oklahoma vs. Baylor & Texas Tech, which are replaced with all 3 vs. TCU & Houston - a fairly equal trade. Divisions are reasonably well balanced.

Ripples - None until some metropolitan teams begin to dominate C-USA. Then, 2 from C-USA to AAC, and C-USA stays at 12 (13 with UAB?).

Big XII - 16 teams

West
Texas
Texas Tech
Baylor
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
Kansas
Kansas St
Iowa St

East
TCU
Houston
Cincinnati
West Virginia
Temple
UConn
UCF
USF

7 division games, 2 permanent cross-division games. Texas & Baylor vs. TCU & Houston, Texas Tech & Oklahoma St vs. UCF & USF, Oklahoma & Kansas vs. West Virginia & UConn, Kansas St & Iowa St vs. Cincinnati & Temple.

All original Big XII members remain in one division. The divisions are not well balanced, but if the goal is quality content and markets for a Big XII Network, then this could be a viable option.

Ripples - If the 16-team format is successful, perhaps the Big Ten and SEC can break teams from the ACC. Virginia & North Carolina to the Big Ten, Clemson & Florida St to the SEC. Pac-12 decides that there aren't 4 teams worth adding, stays at 12. ACC adds East Carolina and Navy (football only) to return to 12. Tulsa, SMU, Tulane, and Memphis make a push to join the MWC. Big XII, Big Ten, and SEC champs get playoff slots every year. The higher ranked of Pac-12 and ACC champs gets a playoff slot, and the lower ranked plays the MWC champ in the access bowl. Things are stable for awhile until there are several solid MWC or C-USA teams again, and Pac-12 and ACC raid MWC and C-USA. The playoff expands to 8 teams, and Pac-16, Big XII, Big Ten, SEC, and ACC break off into a new division.

I think the league Presidents know that the status quo is suicide.

Prediction is UConn and Cincinnati for all sports. UConn has the best markets by a wide margin and is the only school being considered that actually dominates its home market. Cinci solid in all sports, decent market despite being behind OSU. Both are academic improvements for the league unlike Memphis or the Florida schools (each of which is also an also-ran in its home market).

As an alternate: BYU and CSU for football only. BYUtv needs BYU Olympic sports to fund itself (carriage fees are zero...it is free to all cable/satellite outlets) so it really doesn't work for all sports (Sunday play also an issue). 14 for football makes it easier for Texas to have a division with opponents it can live with.