(05-10-2016 09:54 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 09:11 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 08:30 AM)wh49er Wrote:  If it give us increased exposure, as the commissioner has stated, then it is worth the hit. I consider it an investment. Also if $500K - $1M is a major hit for anyone in FBS, then they should be down in FCS.

It's funny the "small" amount of difference in tv payout and bowl payout historically was used as a reason CUSA was so far ahead of the SBC, but now a similar sized decreased is inconsequential.

The differential is much less now. CUSA still has some advantages, such as a bowl matchup against a P5 team in most years. USM and Marshall (and to a lesser extent Rice) provide some greater recognition for the league.

We live in a microwave world. USM and Marshall carry little value based solely on their name at this point.

That one bowl is an advantage but the far flung bowls with no fan support kind of offset it.

(05-10-2016 09:15 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 07:05 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 06:54 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 12:52 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 12:32 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The way it was reported in the articles I saw, the departees only had to make up the difference if the existing contract was renegotiated down which happened when CUSA 1.x became CUSA 2.x

No, it happened when 2.0 became 3.0 apparently.

"C-USA’s TV revenue has, in essence, been subsidized by the seven schools that left the league in 2013 and 2014, including East Carolina, Memphis and Houston. Because of the change in membership, Fox and CBS Sports Network paid C-USA less than the full value of their contracts. C-USA used exit fees from seven schools to supplement TV revenues and cushion the blow."

http://pilotonline.com/sports/college/ol...db1b7.html

Reality Face Slap time.... Face it. Your schools fell hook, line & sinker for a fantasy world created by Banowsky. At least the folks at La Tech, Marshall, Rice, S Miss, UAB & UTEP were along for the ride when the contract was legit. Anybody with half a brain could see this coming.

Do you think we'd be better off still in the CAA with JMU or in the Sunbelt?

Where did that come from? I'm simply trying to get you guys to accept the reality. That CUSA media market fantasy Banowsky sold to your administrators was based on what CUSA WAS, not what it is. Going forward you'll be no better off than the SB. We are equals in the site of TV execs.

Yeah? Well, I was simply trying to provide some information to other posters regarding old CUSA members having to pay the difference when the media deal was adjusted downward. But since you came in with some "Reality Face Slap Time" for me I had to ask. What makes you think ODU's administration bought anything of the sort? You think they weren't aware that the TV money could drop? Like I said, they had an opportunity and took it. It was the right choice then and still is. Whether the Sun Belt is in a better or same position as the CUSA going forward remains to be seen. Do you think bad teams without a media market will do better than bad teams with a TV market when it comes time to renegotiate? It probably won't matter too much either way. I'm happy with CUSA for ODU and our administration is too. If we can get into the AAC great, if not there's no better home for us.

(05-10-2016 10:46 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 09:15 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 07:05 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 06:54 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 12:52 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  No, it happened when 2.0 became 3.0 apparently.

"C-USA’s TV revenue has, in essence, been subsidized by the seven schools that left the league in 2013 and 2014, including East Carolina, Memphis and Houston. Because of the change in membership, Fox and CBS Sports Network paid C-USA less than the full value of their contracts. C-USA used exit fees from seven schools to supplement TV revenues and cushion the blow."

http://pilotonline.com/sports/college/ol...db1b7.html

Reality Face Slap time.... Face it. Your schools fell hook, line & sinker for a fantasy world created by Banowsky. At least the folks at La Tech, Marshall, Rice, S Miss, UAB & UTEP were along for the ride when the contract was legit. Anybody with half a brain could see this coming.

Do you think we'd be better off still in the CAA with JMU or in the Sunbelt?

Where did that come from? I'm simply trying to get you guys to accept the reality. That CUSA media market fantasy Banowsky sold to your administrators was based on what CUSA WAS, not what it is. Going forward you'll be no better off than the SB. We are equals in the site of TV execs.

Yeah? Well, I was simply trying to provide some information to other posters regarding old CUSA members having to pay the difference when the media deal was adjusted downward. But since you came in with some "Reality Face Slap Time" for me I had to ask. What makes you think ODU's administration bought anything of the sort? You think they weren't aware that the TV money could drop? Like I said, they had an opportunity and took it. It was the right choice then and still is. Whether the Sun Belt is in a better or same position as the CUSA going forward remains to be seen. Do you think bad teams without a media market will do better than bad teams with a TV market when it comes time to renegotiate? It probably won't matter too much either way. I'm happy with CUSA for ODU and our administration is too. If we can get into the AAC great, if not there's no better home for us.

ODU and Charlotte wanted to be FBS and they needed a ticket in the form of an invite. If you want to be FBS and took the path available how could you regret that? UTSA and La.Tech were on a sinking ship, how could they regret getting off of it?

UNT and FIU maybe could have had some leverage (there was a real need to get back to DFW and back in Florida) that they maybe could have used to get the discussion started on intelligent realignment but if they said no, CUSA might well have stopped at 12 and there would have been no real leverage until ECU and Tulane ditched the league.

(05-09-2016 12:40 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-09-2016 12:12 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  

(05-08-2016 11:56 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-08-2016 11:25 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  Your numbers aren't reflected in the financial statement La Tech provides the Louisiana System, and that is an official government document. Yours looks like a an Excel spreadsheet.

Those numbers came from USA Today which I assume came from the numbers reported to our fine government that needs to know everything about federal tax exemption. If not a opens record request.

Yes I put them in a spreadsheet...

My only concern in any of this...I like numbers and I look at more than one or two things to value something. I fully understand most people/fans are only going to look at the very public things...TV contract. Bowl payout. Those things. There are others that adds value to a conference. As I said I don't know what all is involved in those numbers. But I do know they went up for every former SBC school. I do know that both new additions to the SBC (APP/GASO) dollars went up when they joined the SBC.

So I assume it reflects conference money (bowl payout, tv, ncaa) and money each school made on deals of their own.

I honestly could care less if the SBC makes more per-school on those pay outs because of the lower number of schools involved. That's only one part of a larger picture. In the end I think CUSA was the better home for Western. I don't like everything about it...

to me the bowl game location are not best for me (personally)
I liked the travel for most of the SBC (personally)

While the basketball side of CUSA has been a let down. I don't base things on 1 to 2 years. It's a long journey and in that I think CUSA basketball will find it's way. And in that will be the better conference..handsdown. Hasn't looked that way so far but it'll get there.

So my only fight in this is to point out there is a larger picture..than just one or two things. Another one is being ranked in football...that's a value. Don't know how you put a money value on it...but there is one. I don't believe Western gets ranked if playing in the SBC.

Since you are too lazy to click on a link that would contradict your point, I'll try to spell it out.

NCAA distribution for 2014/15:
ULM: 897,088
ULL:1,295,517
LTU: 1,155,812

Conference distribution
ULM: 1,372,981
ULL: 1,050,000
LTU: 1,422,273

Royalties, licensing, advertisements, and sponsorships
ULM: 170,457
ULL: 948,931
LTU: 290,213

Media rights
ULM: 0
ULL: 43,070
LTU: 1,010,717

Total
ULM: 2,440,526
ULL: 3,337,518
LTU: 3,879,015

Were it not for the media rights, ULL would have been ahead and ULM would have been even. That is as close to an apples-to-apples comparison as you'll ever find.

Those number validate the numbers I posted from USA Today... so what is your point?

You are looking at a CUSA school that is listed next to last in the conference vs a school that is listed 2nd in the SBC .....

So if you believe those numbers (they are off but not by much) then all the numbers are correct. It means that each and every former SBC schools has increased their dollars by millions since joining CUSA.

But what it also shows....the SBC has ZERO VALUE....ZERO ZERO ZERO to it's members as far as a dollar amount for the SBC TV contract with espn.

ULM list...ZERO and I assume ULL's is from local ads since it's under 50k

Take the million from each of those former SBC and we are still talking about a HUGE difference since joining CUSA

By the way, comparing revenue generated during the most recent year compared to x-amount of years ago when a team was in a former conference is a terrible way to make a point. It implies that the ONLY way that a school made more money was from changing conferences, but the fact that they were from different years adds too many variables to account for. I.e., Western Kentucky, while in the Sun Belt for 5 seasons had an overall record of 24-37. Granted, by the end of its tenure there it was trending up, but to put that into perspective, in its two seasons in CUSA, WKU's record is 20-7. WKU won almost as many games in two seasons in CUSA as it did in 5 seasons in the 'Belt. So it isn't a stretch to say that maybe it got more money not because WKU moved to CUSA, but because they were overall a better and more popular team. In fact, just as an example of that, WKU averaged 15,947 fans per game while in the Sun Belt, as opposed to 17,132 fans per game while in CUSA. That's added revenue. And before you state that that added revenue is due to moving to CUSA because those extra fans only came because of playing CUSA teams, i'll point out that WKU actually had more fans come to their games in their last year in the 'Belt (18,334 average per game) than they have in either season in CUSA (which should be troubling if those CUSA teams are more desirable to play against). The point being, WKU was trending upwards, and so ticket sales, merchandise sales, etc, all can account for those increases in revenue, and those can have nothing to do with conference change.

A better measure would be to compare the amount of money CUSA teams brought in compared to Sun Belt teams on the same year. Then take into account the loss of money due to a worse TV contract, and you'll get an idea of where the two conferences stand. By my count, CUSA has a slight edge, but by and large the two conferences overlap pretty evenly.

(05-10-2016 09:11 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 08:30 AM)wh49er Wrote:  If it give us increased exposure, as the commissioner has stated, then it is worth the hit. I consider it an investment. Also if $500K - $1M is a major hit for anyone in FBS, then they should be down in FCS.

It's funny the "small" amount of difference in tv payout and bowl payout historically was used as a reason CUSA was so far ahead of the SBC, but now a similar sized decreased is inconsequential.

Please show me where I used money as the reason, you either have me confused with someone or you are making stuff up again. The head to head play on the field the last couple years has shown the gap in itself.

(05-10-2016 09:11 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 09:02 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  So now it's about exposure??? The spin never stops.

Not sure if they are spinning...or finally wised up.

Honestly, I was hoping they would continue taking a few thousand more to not be seen.

This. They could be making more tv dollars and having better time slots on ESPN. Was hoping they'd stay invisible on fsn and cbss. This may be good for them.

(05-10-2016 11:03 AM)wh49er Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 09:11 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 08:30 AM)wh49er Wrote:  If it give us increased exposure, as the commissioner has stated, then it is worth the hit. I consider it an investment. Also if $500K - $1M is a major hit for anyone in FBS, then they should be down in FCS.

It's funny the "small" amount of difference in tv payout and bowl payout historically was used as a reason CUSA was so far ahead of the SBC, but now a similar sized decreased is inconsequential.

Please show me where I used money as the reason, you either have me confused with someone or you are making stuff up again. The head to head play on the field the last couple years has shown the gap in itself.

Granted over the last two seasons CSUA has won 9 out of 10 games between the two conferences. 7 of those 9 win have been by only 3 teams.
Now lets look at the other side of the story. Every team in CUSA is scared to play Georgia Southern. Do tell me your AD's has not been contacted about a game against Georgia Southern. I see it as CUSA members running scared.

(05-10-2016 11:03 AM)wh49er Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 09:11 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 08:30 AM)wh49er Wrote:  If it give us increased exposure, as the commissioner has stated, then it is worth the hit. I consider it an investment. Also if $500K - $1M is a major hit for anyone in FBS, then they should be down in FCS.

It's funny the "small" amount of difference in tv payout and bowl payout historically was used as a reason CUSA was so far ahead of the SBC, but now a similar sized decreased is inconsequential.

Please show me where I used money as the reason, you either have me confused with someone or you are making stuff up again. The head to head play on the field the last couple years has shown the gap in itself.

I'm speaking about CUSA as a whole, there are plenty of examples you can enjoy.

49-0 is quite a gap.

(05-10-2016 12:21 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 11:03 AM)wh49er Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 09:11 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 08:30 AM)wh49er Wrote:  If it give us increased exposure, as the commissioner has stated, then it is worth the hit. I consider it an investment. Also if $500K - $1M is a major hit for anyone in FBS, then they should be down in FCS.

It's funny the "small" amount of difference in tv payout and bowl payout historically was used as a reason CUSA was so far ahead of the SBC, but now a similar sized decreased is inconsequential.

Please show me where I used money as the reason, you either have me confused with someone or you are making stuff up again. The head to head play on the field the last couple years has shown the gap in itself.

I'm speaking about CUSA as a whole, there are plenty of examples you can enjoy.

49-0 is quite a gap.

I mean, we could talk about the 2 year gap between how long it took Charlotte and Georgia State to win their first FBS game as an FBS team.

(05-10-2016 12:21 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  I'm speaking about CUSA as a whole, there are plenty of examples you can enjoy.

49-0 is quite a gap.

Yes, CUSA winning 9 out of 10 games over the past 2 years is quite a gap.

(05-10-2016 12:08 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  Do tell me your AD's has not been contacted about a game against Georgia Southern. I see it as CUSA members running scared.

Your AD's incomptence = CUSA scared


Whatever helps you sleep at night buddy.

(05-10-2016 03:00 PM)wh49er Wrote:  

(05-10-2016 12:08 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  Do tell me your AD's has not been contacted about a game against Georgia Southern. I see it as CUSA members running scared.

Your AD's incomptence = CUSA scared


Whatever helps you sleep at night buddy.

Of all the possible CUSA teams, I love the irony that this post represents.

I really wish we could have played UNCC in 2014 as originally scheduled.

People keep leaving out the REAL reason teams left for C-USA.














----to get away from KARL !!!!

(05-10-2016 03:39 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  People keep leaving out the REAL reason teams left for C-USA.














----to get away from KARL !!!!

Ok, you win.
Its funny cause it's true.

I really don't care that much about what conference we are in unless it is a P5. I have seen more growth and success at ASU during the realignment shuffle than I ever thought was possible and it is far from over. Budget going from around $10m to $29m, coaching salaries skyrocketing, COA across the board, multiple facility upgrades and more coming for football, baseball and likely adding softball, huge fundraising increases, titles in everything but MBB it seems....

It's cool however it goes with conferences.