In the 6th round by the Baltimore Ravens. Woot!

(04-30-2016 03:09 PM)USNA9t8 Wrote:  In the 6th round by the Baltimore Ravens. Woot!

Great pick, but I wonder if they'll be committed to waiting five years (?) before he ever gets to see an NFL field. If any team worth their salt is willing to wait, they're getting a hard-working kid.

Edit: There's a waiver that might be granted if Reynolds can show this is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to make the team. Therefore, he could forgo the mandatory five-year service commitment. If he doesn't make the team, he serves it in full. Thanks, Mestophalies.

Congrats to Keenan!

(04-30-2016 03:15 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  Congrats to Keenan!

Agreed. Hell of a player!

The Navy can grant a waiver or deferment of service if they want to. They have in the past, for special players - as recently has the Patriots current Long Snapper Joe Cardona.

Wow that's awesome. We were actually wondering if/how he might be drafted.

I wonder what position he'll play? It's likely not QB, so maybe a RB?

(05-01-2016 03:32 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  I wonder what position he'll play? It's likely not QB, so maybe a RB?

ESPN talking heads have said he's already switched to RB.

I wish him well...and am glad his is gone!!!!

(04-30-2016 03:33 PM)USNA9t8 Wrote:  The Navy can grant a waiver or deferment of service if they want to. They have in the past, for special players - as recently has the Patriots current Long Snapper Joe Cardona.

I'm not sure what you mean here. Cardona was assigned to NAPS while playing with the Patriots & is now aboard the USS Zumwalt.

"Cardona played for the Patriots while simultaneously serving on active duty at the Naval Academy Prep School in Newport, Rhode Island."

I haven't read what will happen to Cardona this next fall but the Patriots have said that they would be willing to wait years for Cardona to be available.

Who knows what they'll do with KR, but since he's going into information warfare, there are plenty of options in the Balt-Wash area.

From what I have read on this, he can either get an assignment that will simultaneously allow him to play at the same time, while on active duty OR can request to be released after 2 years (the David Robinson route), in which case he will have to enter the reserves and pay back a portion of his education.

Either way, he'll be playing within 2 years, and most likely this year, IMO.

(05-02-2016 11:46 AM)NavyHusker Wrote:  

(04-30-2016 03:33 PM)USNA9t8 Wrote:  The Navy can grant a waiver or deferment of service if they want to. They have in the past, for special players - as recently has the Patriots current Long Snapper Joe Cardona.

I'm not sure what you mean here. Cardona was assigned to NAPS while playing with the Patriots & is now aboard the USS Zumwalt.

My mistake on Cardona. Thanks for the correction.

(05-02-2016 12:54 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  From what I have read on this, he can either get an assignment that will simultaneously allow him to play at the same time, while on active duty OR can request to be released after 2 years (the David Robinson route), in which case he will have to enter the reserves and pay back a portion of his education.

Either way, he'll be playing within 2 years, and most likely this year, IMO.

Well sort of yes & no & it depends. You can apply to the Secretary of the Navy after 2 years of active service to convert your remaining 3 years to 6 years of Reserve duty. But it is by no means a guarantee.

Joe Cardona was able to play for the Patriots this last season while being stationed at the Naval Academy Prep School (NAPS). This is fairly typical for many graduates to be "stashed" somewhere until their schools open up. Some stay at USNA & coach, assist PE, administer semi-annual physical readiness tests (PRT), or some admin job. I did Officer Hometown Area Recruiting Program (OHARP) went to my hometown & helped out around a regional recruiting HQ until going to my school a few months later.

Cardona is currently aboard the USS Zumwalt. But it is yet to be determined what will happen in the fall for him.

One of our fullbacks, Eric Kettani, was on the Patriots but when he was only on the practice squad, the Navy recalled him to duty in 2011 but then released again in 2012 but had to serve 7 years in the reserves & pay $60k back to the Navy. So you gotta make the team, not just be drafted.

Mitch Harris was a pitcher for Navy who was drafted by the Cardinals in 2008, but was not granted a release "at a time of war", and spent 5 years on active duty & is again playing baseball as a reliever and made his MLB debut last year. So being drafted by a pro sport isn't enough either.

Billy Hurley III graduated from Navy in 2004 & served 5 years on active duty before being able to compete in the PGA.

We've also had some lacrosse players play some Major League Lacrosse, but none of them have been released early. We also have a guy doing Major League Soccer, but not getting released.

So it just depends.

(05-03-2016 09:56 AM)NavyHusker Wrote:  

(05-02-2016 12:54 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  From what I have read on this, he can either get an assignment that will simultaneously allow him to play at the same time, while on active duty OR can request to be released after 2 years (the David Robinson route), in which case he will have to enter the reserves and pay back a portion of his education.

Either way, he'll be playing within 2 years, and most likely this year, IMO.

Well sort of yes & no & it depends. You can apply to the Secretary of the Navy after 2 years of active service to convert your remaining 3 years to 6 years of Reserve duty. But it is by no means a guarantee.

Joe Cardona was able to play for the Patriots this last season while being stationed at the Naval Academy Prep School (NAPS). This is fairly typical for many graduates to be "stashed" somewhere until their schools open up. Some stay at USNA & coach, assist PE, administer semi-annual physical readiness tests (PRT), or some admin job. I did Officer Hometown Area Recruiting Program (OHARP) went to my hometown & helped out around a regional recruiting HQ until going to my school a few months later.

Cardona is currently aboard the USS Zumwalt. But it is yet to be determined what will happen in the fall for him.

One of our fullbacks, Eric Kettani, was on the Patriots but when he was only on the practice squad, the Navy recalled him to duty in 2011 but then released again in 2012 but had to serve 7 years in the reserves & pay $60k back to the Navy. So you gotta make the team, not just be drafted.

Mitch Harris was a pitcher for Navy who was drafted by the Cardinals in 2008, but was not granted a release "at a time of war", and spent 5 years on active duty & is again playing baseball as a reliever and made his MLB debut last year. So being drafted by a pro sport isn't enough either.

Billy Hurley III graduated from Navy in 2004 & served 5 years on active duty before being able to compete in the PGA.

We've also had some lacrosse players play some Major League Lacrosse, but none of them have been released early. We also have a guy doing Major League Soccer, but not getting released.

So it just depends.

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Good rundown, Husker.

So Cardona may not be able to play this fall?

Can Reynolds basically be given some type of admin/goodwill ambassador job for 2 years that would simultaneously allow him to play FB. In other words can they basically delay his entry into his chosen career field while he's playing. I hope so, I'd like to see him get his NFL shot without having to wait X number of years.

(05-03-2016 04:44 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  So Cardona may not be able to play this fall?

Can Reynolds basically be given some type of admin/goodwill ambassador job for 2 years that would simultaneously allow him to play FB. In other words can they basically delay his entry into his chosen career field while he's playing. I hope so, I'd like to see him get his NFL shot without having to wait X number of years.

Correct on Cardona. At least, I haven't read anywhere that he will or will not be able to play the 2016 season. The Patriots said that they understood this may be the case & are willing to place him on their Military Reserve List which basically means they get to keep their rights to him as a player.

Keenan's situation is different. The Navy doesn't delay service time in your field beyond a few months. The warfare schools simply don't have the capacity to enter all the newly graduated officers from USNA & ROTC & other sources at once. So people get stashed in all sorts of places awaiting their schools to start.

Aviators tend to have the longest time being stashed somewhere as they await flight school in Pensacola and it isn't unheard of to have to wait 2 years. Aviators also incur additional years of service obligations and those years don't start until after they earn their wings. So for aviators, those stashed years don't start your service repayment clock.

Reynolds could be given a job like you say. Generally speaking though the Navy doesn't do that. Notice Cardona is at sea aboard a destroyer. The MLS guy is also currently aboard a destroyer (USS Sampson) homeported in San Diego.

Eric Kettani graduated in 2009, served in the Navy until 2011 when he was granted the release to play for the Patriots. When he was only on the practice squad, the Navy recalled him back to a ship.

I too want Keenan to get his NFL shot, but only after he does a real job in the Navy for at least 2 years. Cardona may be able to practice part time since he is a long snapper specialist, but I don't know. I highly doubt that Keenan can do a job in the Navy considering the time required for NFL players in film/practice/meetings. But I think that KR will get to attend fall camp with the Ravens & we'll see if he makes the team. I suspect that he will then have to forgo the 2016 & 2017 season and see if he can make the team in 2018 & then petition Sec of the Navy for release. We'll see. I also believe the Ravens were fully aware of this possibility of having to wait before they drafted him.

More information from the Secretary of the Navy which basically restates what I have said in this thread.

Husker,
You and I are overwhelmingly in agreement on this, but why do you have KR foregoing the 2016 season? If he is on the team, why wouldn't his USNA stash look like Cardona's NAPS stash - full season. THEN enough fleet time to get his IWCO pin and therefore probably miss '17/'18 seasons.

(Having said that, Ft Meade probably has a couple sea-duty-equivalent ENS first operational tour billets....I don't know how I would feel about being CO and having to do a cyber mission and not truly having one of my JOs truly on hand...I believe military reserve list is a seson long thing not week by week...I'll still go on the side of missing those two seasons)

(05-08-2016 06:37 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  Husker,
You and I are overwhelmingly in agreement on this, but why do you have KR foregoing the 2016 season? If he is on the team, why wouldn't his USNA stash look like Cardona's NAPS stash - full season. THEN enough fleet time to get his IWCO pin and therefore probably miss '17/'18 seasons.

(Having said that, Ft Meade probably has a couple sea-duty-equivalent ENS first operational tour billets....I don't know how I would feel about being CO and having to do a cyber mission and not truly having one of my JOs truly on hand...I believe military reserve list is a seson long thing not week by week...I'll still go on the side of missing those two seasons)

Just kind of my gut feeling about 2016. I think that the Ravens would probably not play a guy who can't commit to the full day of film/practice to be a playing WR. I suppose if he's going to be doing punt returns then maybe.

Basically it boils down to the position. I think that you can probably have a part time long snapper (& possibly punt returner), but not a part time wide receiver. Lord knows I've been wrong before, but I don't think they would use a roster slot like that.

I think the posts above are very accurate about what the policy has been in the past, with the emphasis on past. Now, I think the Secretary is doing whatever he feels like doing. I think it is very difficult to predict what will happen in the Reynolds and Cardona deals.

FWIW, I think Navy should get out of the NFL deal for good. The commitment to serve is much more important than being a long snapper or a punt returner.

If you can make it after you have served, good for you. See Staubach and many others.