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(04-30-2016 10:04 PM)olderduke Wrote:  Wouldn't that require a Honda dealer?

hmm. well that was the second dumbest thing I said last week.
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I don't like Alger but be careful what you wish for. Do you really want big donors making decisions for the university?
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(05-02-2016 08:41 AM)GH86 Wrote:  I don't like Alger but be careful what you wish for. Do you really want big donors making decisions for the university?

No, but there are times where you at least need to listen to them. If what is being said is true, they need to look really hard at the why. For every million dollar donor, there are hundreds of others that feel the same.
Alger is a guy that doesn't make waves, which is exactly what we don't need. We all agree that we want JMU to be a national university. To get to that point without making waves is very hard to do the way Alger is approaching his presidency. If all we needed was maintenance to stay where we are, he is that guy.
It all comes down to him being the wrong kind of guy for what we need.
Has there been any time at JMU where so many have either:
-threatened to stop donating
-stopped donating altogether, or
-become apathetic to anything JMU

Of course these things happen, but I have never heard so many voices falling into these categories. When I say that, I don't just mean a message board... I mean in real life.
It really is sad what is happening, and it's happening under Alger's watch.
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(05-01-2016 03:28 PM)Dadgum Wrote:  One here, not a million dollar donor, but have stopped donating, renewing 12 season tix, hosting friends for the weekend, etc. I have become indifferent, this costs JMU and Harrisonburg more than $10K a year, easy.

Whats worse, is those people who were fringe fans, whom were getting into it and starting to donate have all stopped. I told them all straight up, keep your money, stop wasting it on JMU Athletics, still can't believe I'm typing something up like this but its the world we live in.

A world overshadowed by a donkey with a dead fish handshake, a suit from Kohl's and shoes from the Sketchers "Professional" collection.

DG - appreciate what you are saying here, but point is, you still fall in that 4-5 digit donor category I mentioned earlier, with the rest of us, which seems to fall on deaf ears in HBurg.

Still looking for someone with access to these 6-7 digit donors that always get brought up on this board... have they or haven't they reached out to the BOV and if not, why not? ESPECIALLY if they are withholding said donations, I think the BOV and DC have a right to hear from them.

If I even remotely knew anyone that fell in the 6-7 digit donor category I would be in their ear constantly asking when they talked to DC/BOV, what they said, how it was received, etc. and then I'd report back to this group!

People on here like to claim they know these guys, but no one comes back at us with concrete info.

Way I look at it we have two options. Option 1 has kind of already started:
1) all of us small 4-5 digit donors band together and stop contributing (though it sounds like not many of us are on board with this theory, but I've made it VERY clear to my DC rep that I'm not sending in another dime, the calls have stopped) until the DC/BoV takes notice
2) 1-3 of the 6-7 digit donors stop donating until the DC/BoV takes action.
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(05-02-2016 09:07 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  
(05-02-2016 08:41 AM)GH86 Wrote:  I don't like Alger but be careful what you wish for. Do you really want big donors making decisions for the university?

No, but there are times where you at least need to listen to them. If what is being said is true, they need to look really hard at the why. For every million dollar donor, there are hundreds of others that feel the same.
Alger is a guy that doesn't make waves, which is exactly what we don't need. We all agree that we want JMU to be a national university. To get to that point without making waves is very hard to do the way Alger is approaching his presidency. If all we needed was maintenance to stay where we are, he is that guy.
It all comes down to him being the wrong kind of guy for what we need.
Has there been any time at JMU where so many have either:
-threatened to stop donating
-stopped donating altogether, or
-become apathetic to anything JMU

Of course these things happen, but I have never heard so many voices falling into these categories. When I say that, I don't just mean a message board... I mean in real life.
It really is sad what is happening, and it's happening under Alger's watch.

I agree Alger should be gone. Just not sure once we open the big donor can of worms we can shut it off in the future.
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I am aware of a VERY BIG donor who we all know by name that said he would not donate any more money to JMU if the Hotel/Conference Center project moved forward. He made these intentions known and JMU proceeded anyway. As far as I know, he has not donated since.
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(05-02-2016 12:18 PM)JMU_Degenerate Wrote:  I am aware of a VERY BIG donor who we all know by name that said he would not donate any more money to JMU if the Hotel/Conference Center project moved forward. He made these intentions known and JMU proceeded anyway. As far as I know, he has not donated since.

I assume he has some sort of business interests in the hotel industry in Hburg?

Good for JMU in that one I say. We can't let rich people throwing temper tantrums hold us hostage.
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We should be letting our rich alumni do whatever the hell they want to push us forward. It's not holding anyone hostage, its the way that major college athletics work, don't bite the hand that feeds you. Or in many cases at JMU, the hands that used to feed you.
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(05-02-2016 12:35 PM)Dadgum Wrote:  We should be letting our rich alumni do whatever the hell they want to push us forward. It's not holding anyone hostage, its the way that major college athletics work, don't bite the hand that feeds you. Or in many cases at JMU, the hands that used to feed you.

So you're saying if a rich alum said that he would stop donating if we moved to FBS then we should listen to them?
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(05-02-2016 12:55 PM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  
(05-02-2016 12:35 PM)Dadgum Wrote:  We should be letting our rich alumni do whatever the hell they want to push us forward. It's not holding anyone hostage, its the way that major college athletics work, don't bite the hand that feeds you. Or in many cases at JMU, the hands that used to feed you.

So you're saying if a rich alum said that he would stop donating if we moved to FBS then we should listen to them?

You are asking the correct question: why was he opposed to the hotel/conference center?
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A good leader can bring people together that have opposing opinions. Large donors should not be running the university. A good President would be able to sit down with that large donor and find a compromise that works for both.

There are some folks who are impossible to work with and don't know the true meaning of compromise. You can't reach those folks. Most understand that they can't get everything they want in life. Those are the ones you communicate with and try to find compromise for the good of all.
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(05-02-2016 01:26 PM)Purple agitator Wrote:  
(05-02-2016 12:55 PM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  
(05-02-2016 12:35 PM)Dadgum Wrote:  We should be letting our rich alumni do whatever the hell they want to push us forward. It's not holding anyone hostage, its the way that major college athletics work, don't bite the hand that feeds you. Or in many cases at JMU, the hands that used to feed you.

So you're saying if a rich alum said that he would stop donating if we moved to FBS then we should listen to them?

You are asking the correct question: why was he opposed to the hotel/conference center?

That person is a Harrisonburg business man who is not in the hotel business.

If you wish to read it; I laid out a very clear objection to the hotel project in the old hotel project thread. I believe he, along with many others, agreed with my line of reasoning so it is worth a read if you want the backstory. He is not in the hotel business, but he did believe that the hotel project should not have been subsidized and should have been brought to the market with private funds or not at all.
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(05-02-2016 02:37 PM)JMU_Degenerate Wrote:  
(05-02-2016 01:26 PM)Purple agitator Wrote:  
(05-02-2016 12:55 PM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  
(05-02-2016 12:35 PM)Dadgum Wrote:  We should be letting our rich alumni do whatever the hell they want to push us forward. It's not holding anyone hostage, its the way that major college athletics work, don't bite the hand that feeds you. Or in many cases at JMU, the hands that used to feed you.

So you're saying if a rich alum said that he would stop donating if we moved to FBS then we should listen to them?

You are asking the correct question: why was he opposed to the hotel/conference center?

That person is a Harrisonburg business man who is not in the hotel business.

If you wish to read it; I laid out a very clear objection to the hotel project in the old hotel project thread. I believe he, along with many others, agreed with my line of reasoning so it is worth a read if you want the backstory. He is not in the hotel business, but he did believe that the hotel project should not have been subsidized and should have been brought to the market with private funds or not at all.

Yep. Remember that. Thanks
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(05-02-2016 02:37 PM)JMU_Degenerate Wrote:  
(05-02-2016 01:26 PM)Purple agitator Wrote:  
(05-02-2016 12:55 PM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  
(05-02-2016 12:35 PM)Dadgum Wrote:  We should be letting our rich alumni do whatever the hell they want to push us forward. It's not holding anyone hostage, its the way that major college athletics work, don't bite the hand that feeds you. Or in many cases at JMU, the hands that used to feed you.

So you're saying if a rich alum said that he would stop donating if we moved to FBS then we should listen to them?

You are asking the correct question: why was he opposed to the hotel/conference center?

That person is a Harrisonburg business man who is not in the hotel business.

If you wish to read it; I laid out a very clear objection to the hotel project in the old hotel project thread. I believe he, along with many others, agreed with my line of reasoning so it is worth a read if you want the backstory. He is not in the hotel business, but he did believe that the hotel project should not have been subsidized and should have been brought to the market with private funds or not at all.

Good points. I just think that JMU, as a large institution, has an obligation to take all stakeholders into consideration when making a decision such as that. I have to believe they had communication with the person you speak of but ultimately decided to go a different route.
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(05-02-2016 02:37 PM)JMU_Degenerate Wrote:  
(05-02-2016 01:26 PM)Purple agitator Wrote:  
(05-02-2016 12:55 PM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  
(05-02-2016 12:35 PM)Dadgum Wrote:  We should be letting our rich alumni do whatever the hell they want to push us forward. It's not holding anyone hostage, its the way that major college athletics work, don't bite the hand that feeds you. Or in many cases at JMU, the hands that used to feed you.

So you're saying if a rich alum said that he would stop donating if we moved to FBS then we should listen to them?

You are asking the correct question: why was he opposed to the hotel/conference center?

That person is a Harrisonburg business man who is not in the hotel business.

If you wish to read it; I laid out a very clear objection to the hotel project in the old hotel project thread. I believe he, along with many others, agreed with my line of reasoning so it is worth a read if you want the backstory. He is not in the hotel business, but he did believe that the hotel project should not have been subsidized and should have been brought to the market with private funds or not at all.

JMU is not subsidizing any part of the hotel and conference center. It's a $30 million project being funded entirely by an outside independent company. The City of H'Burg provided certain enticements to promote the project (i.e. tax breaks for a certain time), so it would appear to me your "business man's" beef is not with JMU, but rather with the city. That said, there's a good reason the project is moving forward.
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(05-02-2016 07:58 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(05-02-2016 02:37 PM)JMU_Degenerate Wrote:  
(05-02-2016 01:26 PM)Purple agitator Wrote:  
(05-02-2016 12:55 PM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  
(05-02-2016 12:35 PM)Dadgum Wrote:  We should be letting our rich alumni do whatever the hell they want to push us forward. It's not holding anyone hostage, its the way that major college athletics work, don't bite the hand that feeds you. Or in many cases at JMU, the hands that used to feed you.

So you're saying if a rich alum said that he would stop donating if we moved to FBS then we should listen to them?

You are asking the correct question: why was he opposed to the hotel/conference center?

That person is a Harrisonburg business man who is not in the hotel business.

If you wish to read it; I laid out a very clear objection to the hotel project in the old hotel project thread. I believe he, along with many others, agreed with my line of reasoning so it is worth a read if you want the backstory. He is not in the hotel business, but he did believe that the hotel project should not have been subsidized and should have been brought to the market with private funds or not at all.

JMU is not subsidizing any part of the hotel and conference center. It's a $30 million project being funded entirely by an outside independent company. The City of H'Burg provided certain enticements to promote the project (i.e. tax breaks for a certain time), so it would appear to me your "business man's" beef is not with JMU, but rather with the city. That said, there's a good reason the project is moving forward.

It was originally reported that $10M was coming from the JMU Foundation. Was that reporting incorrect or has something changed?
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JMU is in a a first loss position on the project and it is JMU foundation dollars.

Plus JMU contributed the land, not to mention the $15mm for the parking deck.
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The money spent on the parking deck and the income earned on the land JMU is leasing to the hotel and conference center are the least of worries at JMU.
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(05-02-2016 07:58 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(05-02-2016 02:37 PM)JMU_Degenerate Wrote:  
(05-02-2016 01:26 PM)Purple agitator Wrote:  
(05-02-2016 12:55 PM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  
(05-02-2016 12:35 PM)Dadgum Wrote:  We should be letting our rich alumni do whatever the hell they want to push us forward. It's not holding anyone hostage, its the way that major college athletics work, don't bite the hand that feeds you. Or in many cases at JMU, the hands that used to feed you.

So you're saying if a rich alum said that he would stop donating if we moved to FBS then we should listen to them?

You are asking the correct question: why was he opposed to the hotel/conference center?

That person is a Harrisonburg business man who is not in the hotel business.

If you wish to read it; I laid out a very clear objection to the hotel project in the old hotel project thread. I believe he, along with many others, agreed with my line of reasoning so it is worth a read if you want the backstory. He is not in the hotel business, but he did believe that the hotel project should not have been subsidized and should have been brought to the market with private funds or not at all.

JMU is not subsidizing any part of the hotel and conference center. It's a $30 million project being funded entirely by an outside independent company. The City of H'Burg provided certain enticements to promote the project (i.e. tax breaks for a certain time), so it would appear to me your "business man's" beef is not with JMU, but rather with the city. That said, there's a good reason the project is moving forward.

The project would not have been brought to the marketplace by purely private funds. The developers tried this route for years without any success. They got 10m from JMU that has to be repaid and a great deal on the land, in addition to the tax abatements from Harrisonburg. Without JMU putting up $ and land this project continues to stagnate. If you dont think subsidize is the right word then use whatever word you want. JMU seeded a hotel project and the city provided tax breaks for said project and now a hotel that the free market wouldnt bear on its own is now being built; and a certain businessman took exception to JMUs involvement in this process.
I suggest reading post #2 here:
http://csnbbs.com/thread-707165-post-112...id11222354
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I can promise you Charlie King is using the project as a money maker for JMU and what better training ground for JMUs hotel and restaurant management majors than one on campus. App St. has a school owned hotel on campus or at least they did back in the mid 2000s when I stayed there.

This is just more stupid complaining about nothing. The hotel will be the first one built close to a revitalized downtown. I can't wait until it is completed because it will be my first option when I stay after football and basketball games.

Dukeman is a banker and yet he acts like he doesn't understand business. I can promise you this hotel will be every alum's first option when they visit Harrisonburg. Charlie King knows commercial real estate better than anyone on these boards. It is what he does best. There is always opposition no matter what the project. A downtown hotel is very much needed and will be used.

One last thing, the foundation often fronts the construction money for real estate projects while Charlie works on the permanent financing. This speeds the process to finished product along. The apartments built across from Anthony Seger were funded this way as well. Do some of you want to complain about them as well?
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