(05-01-2016 12:04 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(04-30-2016 09:02 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(04-30-2016 07:44 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  Villanova had one with half a dozen 4-stars. We could've had one with nine 4-stars next season, but we had a coach who put way more stock in getting ranked players than anything else. So, as it is, we only have four 4-stars returning.

Here's the rest of our league's picture for next year:

UConn - one 5-star, two 4-stars returning, bringing in three more
Cincinnati - two 4-stars returning, bringing in one more
SMU - one 4-star returning, bringing in two more
USF - bringing in one 4-star
Everybody else - N/A

So, even with what we have, on paper, we're better than anybody but UConn. I'm not expecting to be competing for a national championship in the next year or two, but what I am expecting is to be competitive against equal talent. I think a lot of people will be happy with that. I think a lot of conference mates won't be.

If paper ratings won games, JP would probably be working on another roll-over contract at Memphis.

Lots of people can coach way better than they can recruit. That's almost always because of WHERE they coach. Pastner was the exact opposite, and the main reason he was able to recruit as well as he did is because of where he was.

Not many at the DI level who can't coach get a chance to prove it regularly in front of 16,000 people like Pastner did the first five years. So, I suspect "paper ratings" predict wins a lot more often than they don't for those reasons -- most coaches who can get highly ranked recruits can also coach.

I think you have it exactly backwards. Partner couldn't coach BECAUSE of the kids he was recruiting. How many City of Memphis kids played on an NBA roster in the past 20 years? We always talk about the talent in Memphis, but only Nolan Richardson was able to win a title with Memphis players. Even Keith Lee was from West Memphis.

(05-01-2016 02:39 PM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 12:04 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  Lots of people can coach way better than they can recruit. That's almost always because of WHERE they coach. Pastner was the exact opposite, and the main reason he was able to recruit as well as he did is because of where he was.

Not many at the DI level who can't coach get a chance to prove it regularly in front of 16,000 people like Pastner did the first five years. So, I suspect "paper ratings" predict wins a lot more often than they don't for those reasons -- most coaches who can get highly ranked recruits can also coach.

I think you have it exactly backwards. Partner couldn't coach BECAUSE of the kids he was recruiting. How many City of Memphis kids played on an NBA roster in the past 20 years? We always talk about the talent in Memphis, but only Nolan Richardson was able to win a title with Memphis players. Even Keith Lee was from West Memphis.

Well, I thought everybody (after seven years) had stopped throwing players under the bus to defend Pastner's lack of skills as a head coach. Obviously, I was wrong.

(05-01-2016 12:10 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 12:06 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(04-30-2016 10:50 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(04-30-2016 09:20 PM)tiger-tug Wrote:  If having the HORSES IS SO DAMN IMPORTANT,
WHY DOES CALIPARI ONLY HAVE ONE CHAMPIONSHIP?

BECAUSE, HE CAN'T COACH.

THINK MY PEOPLE!

HIS ARE MOSTLY FRESHMEN!! Duh!!!

Who are a few months from the NBA.

And what might that have to do with taking a team of 4-5 freshman and playing a veteran laden Nova type team that is pretty good and experienced along with having been to tourney a few times? UConn was another good example of that type of team. Not the most talented but hit a run.

RESPECTFULLY!
Have you ever played on an organized basketball team?

Coach K has won championships at Duke with AVERAGE TALENT.
He ONLY RECENTLY started recruiting ONE and DONE players.
How is that working for HIM?

Cal has had the BEST RECRUITING CLASS FOR 6 straight years. HE HAS ONE CHAMPIONSHIP.

HE CAN'T COACH. I SAID HE COULDN'T COACH WHEN HE WAS HERE. FOR TWO YEARS IN MEMPHIS, HE HAD THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE COUNTRY. BRUCE PEARL WHIPPED HIS ASS WITH AVERAGE PLAYERS. HE LOST A CHAMPIONSHIP GAME BECAUSE HE COULDN'T MANAGE THE LAST THREE MINUTES OF THE GAME.

KISS HIS BUTT ALL YOU WANT TO. HE CAN'T COACH.

(05-01-2016 04:07 PM)tiger-tug Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 12:10 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 12:06 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(04-30-2016 10:50 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(04-30-2016 09:20 PM)tiger-tug Wrote:  If having the HORSES IS SO DAMN IMPORTANT,
WHY DOES CALIPARI ONLY HAVE ONE CHAMPIONSHIP?

BECAUSE, HE CAN'T COACH.

THINK MY PEOPLE!

HIS ARE MOSTLY FRESHMEN!! Duh!!!

Who are a few months from the NBA.

And what might that have to do with taking a team of 4-5 freshman and playing a veteran laden Nova type team that is pretty good and experienced along with having been to tourney a few times? UConn was another good example of that type of team. Not the most talented but hit a run.

RESPECTFULLY!
Have you ever played on an organized basketball team?

Yes since I was six. Vs and with guys in local colleges including Memphis St (one F4 player among others), CBC, etc. Also Baylor, Missouri Rolla.

WHAT ABOUT YOU-YOU PLAY? What is your point? Does that make me more knowledgeable? Maybe.

If you think Cal can't coach you are a moron. Not in HOF for no reason. Take off your blinders and ask coaches, media and players about his coaching ability. The only people who think he can't coach are on this forum. Tired of hearing this BS.

(05-01-2016 03:54 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 02:39 PM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 12:04 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  Lots of people can coach way better than they can recruit. That's almost always because of WHERE they coach. Pastner was the exact opposite, and the main reason he was able to recruit as well as he did is because of where he was.

Not many at the DI level who can't coach get a chance to prove it regularly in front of 16,000 people like Pastner did the first five years. So, I suspect "paper ratings" predict wins a lot more often than they don't for those reasons -- most coaches who can get highly ranked recruits can also coach.

I think you have it exactly backwards. Partner couldn't coach BECAUSE of the kids he was recruiting. How many City of Memphis kids played on an NBA roster in the past 20 years? We always talk about the talent in Memphis, but only Nolan Richardson was able to win a title with Memphis players. Even Keith Lee was from West Memphis.

Well, I thought everybody (after seven years) had stopped throwing players under the bus to defend Pastner's lack of skills as a head coach. Obviously, I was wrong.

<hint> the post wasn't about Pastner.

(05-01-2016 05:01 PM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 03:54 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 02:39 PM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 12:04 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  Lots of people can coach way better than they can recruit. That's almost always because of WHERE they coach. Pastner was the exact opposite, and the main reason he was able to recruit as well as he did is because of where he was.

Not many at the DI level who can't coach get a chance to prove it regularly in front of 16,000 people like Pastner did the first five years. So, I suspect "paper ratings" predict wins a lot more often than they don't for those reasons -- most coaches who can get highly ranked recruits can also coach.

I think you have it exactly backwards. Partner couldn't coach BECAUSE of the kids he was recruiting. How many City of Memphis kids played on an NBA roster in the past 20 years? We always talk about the talent in Memphis, but only Nolan Richardson was able to win a title with Memphis players. Even Keith Lee was from West Memphis.

Well, I thought everybody (after seven years) had stopped throwing players under the bus to defend Pastner's lack of skills as a head coach. Obviously, I was wrong.

<hint> the post wasn't about Pastner.

No, it was about Partner, but I assumed you just couldn't spell.

(05-01-2016 05:01 PM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 03:54 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 02:39 PM)Tgrrfan Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 12:04 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  Lots of people can coach way better than they can recruit. That's almost always because of WHERE they coach. Pastner was the exact opposite, and the main reason he was able to recruit as well as he did is because of where he was.

Not many at the DI level who can't coach get a chance to prove it regularly in front of 16,000 people like Pastner did the first five years. So, I suspect "paper ratings" predict wins a lot more often than they don't for those reasons -- most coaches who can get highly ranked recruits can also coach.

I think you have it exactly backwards. Partner couldn't coach BECAUSE of the kids he was recruiting. How many City of Memphis kids played on an NBA roster in the past 20 years? We always talk about the talent in Memphis, but only Nolan Richardson was able to win a title with Memphis players. Even Keith Lee was from West Memphis.

Well, I thought everybody (after seven years) had stopped throwing players under the bus to defend Pastner's lack of skills as a head coach. Obviously, I was wrong.

<hint> the post wasn't about Pastner.

<hint> even if your post was not defending Pastner (which is obviously was) you were throwing players (our players) under the bus. If we would have had a real coach over the last 6 years, there would have been little to no 'wrong type players' non-sense

(05-01-2016 04:07 PM)tiger-tug Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 12:10 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 12:06 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(04-30-2016 10:50 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(04-30-2016 09:20 PM)tiger-tug Wrote:  If having the HORSES IS SO DAMN IMPORTANT,
WHY DOES CALIPARI ONLY HAVE ONE CHAMPIONSHIP?

BECAUSE, HE CAN'T COACH.

THINK MY PEOPLE!

HIS ARE MOSTLY FRESHMEN!! Duh!!!

Who are a few months from the NBA.

And what might that have to do with taking a team of 4-5 freshman and playing a veteran laden Nova type team that is pretty good and experienced along with having been to tourney a few times? UConn was another good example of that type of team. Not the most talented but hit a run.

RESPECTFULLY!
Have you ever played on an organized basketball team?

You called me out. I answered your question. Answer mine. Have you ever played at anything other than LOW level organized BB?

(05-01-2016 04:30 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 04:07 PM)tiger-tug Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 12:10 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 12:06 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(04-30-2016 10:50 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  HIS ARE MOSTLY FRESHMEN!! Duh!!!

Who are a few months from the NBA.

And what might that have to do with taking a team of 4-5 freshman and playing a veteran laden Nova type team that is pretty good and experienced along with having been to tourney a few times? UConn was another good example of that type of team. Not the most talented but hit a run.

RESPECTFULLY!
Have you ever played on an organized basketball team?

Yes since I was six. Vs and with guys in local colleges including Memphis St (one F4 player among others), CBC, etc. Also Baylor, Missouri Rolla.

WHAT ABOUT YOU-YOU PLAY? What is your point? Does that make me more knowledgeable? Maybe.

If you think Cal can't coach you are a moron. Not in HOF for no reason. Take off your blinders and ask coaches, media and players about his coaching ability. The only people who think he can't coach are on this forum. Tired of hearing this BS.

Lots of morons around the country then. Calipari is known as a recruiter & defensive motivator. He has never distinguished himself as a floor coach, anywhere.

(05-01-2016 10:11 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 04:30 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 04:07 PM)tiger-tug Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 12:10 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 12:06 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  Who are a few months from the NBA.

And what might that have to do with taking a team of 4-5 freshman and playing a veteran laden Nova type team that is pretty good and experienced along with having been to tourney a few times? UConn was another good example of that type of team. Not the most talented but hit a run.

RESPECTFULLY!
Have you ever played on an organized basketball team?

Yes since I was six. Vs and with guys in local colleges including Memphis St (one F4 player among others), CBC, etc. Also Baylor, Missouri Rolla.

WHAT ABOUT YOU-YOU PLAY? What is your point? Does that make me more knowledgeable? Maybe.

If you think Cal can't coach you are a moron. Not in HOF for no reason. Take off your blinders and ask coaches, media and players about his coaching ability. The only people who think he can't coach are on this forum. Tired of hearing this BS.

Lots of morons around the country then. Calipari is known as a recruiter & defensive motivator. He has never distinguished himself as a floor coach, anywhere.

Oh. They put you in the Hall of Fame for that?

(04-29-2016 07:36 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(04-29-2016 07:28 PM)Tiger65 Wrote:  Coach Tubby Smith brought a coaching team to Lubbock. It was a staff that was experienced in establishing winning programs by relating to players and motivating them to better performances.

When assistant coach Joe Esposito arrived in Lubbock, he stated they “came to build a quality program.” And they did.

The Tubby Smith program helped young men mature by developing a personal growth program for each player. A program to heighten their awareness of responsible behaviors, sharing and caring for others, hard work, teamwork, courtesy, manners and academic performance.

Tubby expects everyone to be treated with respect and dignity. Everyone who met the members of his teams felt the friendliness and sincerity of the players. Each player should graduate more confident and better-prepared to face the challenges in his future.

And there is the “first lady of basketball”, Mrs. Donna Smith. Her home was the players’ “home away from home”. It was a place to retreat from a hectic schedule and find food, fellowship and a patient listener.

Donna is as courteous and gracious as she is beautiful. A dedicated and tireless worker, she accepts and honors the trust parents have placed with the Tubby team.Put it all together, and you have a great coaching team that has distinguished itself at every level and every location.

Yes, I am sorry to see them leave, but am grateful they came.

ROBERT YORK/Lubbock

I'll say it again, Texas Tech wanted Tubby to stay so bad they offered a million dollar per year raise, We wanted Pastner to go so much that we gave him over a million dollars to leave, yet some strange birds on here criticize Tubby before we even play a game, and people wonder why they are called Miserables.

BHN once again proves that his butthurt knows no bounds.

(05-01-2016 10:32 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 10:11 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 04:30 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 04:07 PM)tiger-tug Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 12:10 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  And what might that have to do with taking a team of 4-5 freshman and playing a veteran laden Nova type team that is pretty good and experienced along with having been to tourney a few times? UConn was another good example of that type of team. Not the most talented but hit a run.

RESPECTFULLY!
Have you ever played on an organized basketball team?

Yes since I was six. Vs and with guys in local colleges including Memphis St (one F4 player among others), CBC, etc. Also Baylor, Missouri Rolla.

WHAT ABOUT YOU-YOU PLAY? What is your point? Does that make me more knowledgeable? Maybe.

If you think Cal can't coach you are a moron. Not in HOF for no reason. Take off your blinders and ask coaches, media and players about his coaching ability. The only people who think he can't coach are on this forum. Tired of hearing this BS.

Lots of morons around the country then. Calipari is known as a recruiter & defensive motivator. He has never distinguished himself as a floor coach, anywhere.

Oh. They put you in the Hall of Fame for that?

They put you in the HoF for wins......not whether you have a deer in the headlights look leading by 9 with 2 mins to play in the NC.

(04-30-2016 02:11 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  You can't run the Derby with a mule

Should have locked the thread after this post

The hate on this board is astounding, but not unsuspected. You go from a nice letter from a TT fan to fighting about Calipari's ability to coach. Before I'm asked if I played basketball, no I didn't. Have I watched basketball? Yes I have. That probably makes me as much an authoritarian as the average poster. Can Calipari coach? He sure can. Is he the best floor coach? Hardly. Why hasn't he won more championships? Because he recruits 5 star players. Why don't you win with 5 star players? Because their first year in college is a learning experience. By the time they get it, they are in the NBA. As with anything in life, moderation is key. You have some 4 or 5's if you can get them and fill in with 3's. If you're an x's and o's coach, you can turn 3's into 4's or even 2's into 3's.

Now about that fan's letter, thank you!

(05-02-2016 08:59 AM)Beetlejuice Wrote:  The hate on this board is astounding, but not unsuspected. You go from a nice letter from a TT fan to fighting about Calipari's ability to coach. Before I'm asked if I played basketball, no I didn't. Have I watched basketball? Yes I have. That probably makes me as much an authoritarian as the average poster. Can Calipari coach? He sure can. Is he the best floor coach? Hardly. Why hasn't he won more championships? Because he recruits 5 star players. Why don't you win with 5 star players? Because their first year in college is a learning experience. By the time they get it, they are in the NBA. As with anything in life, moderation is key. You have some 4 or 5's if you can get them and fill in with 3's. If you're an x's and o's coach, you can turn 3's into 4's or even 2's into 3's.

Now about that fan's letter, thank you!

Good post. Facts and good opinions. People are going to disagree in a forum but we need to keep it on a more genteel level. I think Cal is a better coach than most on this forum-many here still actually hate the man.

(05-01-2016 04:30 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 04:07 PM)tiger-tug Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 12:10 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 12:06 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  

(04-30-2016 10:50 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  HIS ARE MOSTLY FRESHMEN!! Duh!!!

Who are a few months from the NBA.

And what might that have to do with taking a team of 4-5 freshman and playing a veteran laden Nova type team that is pretty good and experienced along with having been to tourney a few times? UConn was another good example of that type of team. Not the most talented but hit a run.

RESPECTFULLY!
Have you ever played on an organized basketball team?

Yes since I was six. Vs and with guys in local colleges including Memphis St (one F4 player among others), CBC, etc. Also Baylor, Missouri Rolla.

WHAT ABOUT YOU-YOU PLAY? What is your point? Does that make me more knowledgeable? Maybe.

If you think Cal can't coach you are a moron. Not in HOF for no reason. Take off your blinders and ask coaches, media and players about his coaching ability. The only people who think he can't coach are on this forum. Tired of hearing this BS.

Since you asked me and I answered and then asked you about yours, I thought you might enlighten us with your playing experience.

(04-30-2016 05:45 PM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(04-30-2016 02:11 PM)Easterwood Wrote:  You can't run the Derby with a mule

Unless you're Gregg Marshall.

Or Brad Stevens.

(05-01-2016 04:30 PM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 04:07 PM)tiger-tug Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 12:10 AM)Penny Lane Wrote:  

(05-01-2016 12:06 AM)BuccTiger Wrote:  [quote='Penny Lane' pid='13234526' dateline='1462074630']

HIS ARE MOSTLY FRESHMEN!! Duh!!!

Who are a few months from the NBA.

And what might that have to do with taking a team of 4-5 freshman and playing a veteran laden Nova type team that is pretty good and experienced along with having been to tourney a few times? UConn was another good example of that type of team. Not the most talented but hit a run.

RESPECTFULLY!
Have you ever played on an organized basketball team?

Yes since I was six. Vs and with guys in local colleges including Memphis St (one F4 player among others), CBC, etc. Also Baylor, Missouri Rolla.

WHAT ABOUT YOU-YOU PLAY? What is your point? Does that make me more knowledgeable? Maybe.

If you think Cal can't coach you are a moron. Not in HOF for no reason. Take off your blinders and ask coaches, media and players about his coaching ability. The only people who think he can't coach are on this forum. Tired of hearing this BS.
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Yes, I have with real teams.
YOU KEEP DOING YOU!
IF YOU THINK CAL IS A GREAT COACH, I CAN'T HELP OR SAVE YOU.

Bob Huggins, Rick Pitino, Bill Self, Nolan Richardson, Bruce Pearl, John Chaney, Bobby Knight, Jim Boeheim.
ALL OF THESE COACHES HAVE SAID, KEEP THE GAME CLOSE UNTIL THE LAST THREE MINUTES BECAUSE CAL CAN'T COACH.
SO, THEY ARE MORONS TOO.